Why do people play inside vs outside?

[Ball99999]

Can anyone point me to the specific mindsets for why people play say 5th arrow and why some would play 1st arrow? Or for that matter why some play center arrow (is it for longer patterns so it doesn't have to go far to reach the pocket?)

Why would someone hook from gutter to gutter while Norm Duke can roll the ball up pretty straight into the pocket?

[eugene02]

It depends on how individual would play. Thats why there's Cranker, Stroker, and Tweener and so forth.. for me i'll try to throw straight down and into the pocket until it's rather dry than i'll start moving left..

[Ball99999]

I think I've read that stroker has to be more accurate and that's the difference?

[Keithalw]

I know I am not a cranker and been told that I more less stroke the ball out there. I play right down the first arrow from the right and as eugene02 said I move left as it starts to dry up.

[Keithalw]

I dont know if they have to be more accurate or not Ball99999 im kind of curious as well.

[Ball99999]

So when you move left, do you eventually end up on the inside playing a gutter to gutter ball? Or do you transition balls by then?

[J Anderson]

Can anyone point me to the specific mindsets for why people play say 5th arrow and why some would play 1st arrow? Or for that matter why some play center arrow (is it for longer patterns so it doesn't have to go far to reach the pocket?)

Why would someone hook from gutter to gutter while Norm Duke can roll the ball up pretty straight into the pocket?

Part of it is the style of the bowler, part is the lane conditions. When you see Duke rolling it down down 5 it is because the lane conditions favor his "A" game. Believe me that when that shot isn't working he's out in the middle or the left throwing as much hook as he needs.

[eugene02]

For me I'm using the DV8 HRR, when the lanes are getting dry, i'm throwing from the middle arrow either right 1 arrow or left 1 arrow. depends on how dry the lanes are.

[eugene02]

I think I've read that stroker has to be more accurate and that's the difference?
This is totally untrue. Whatever ways you throw it, wherever you throw it.. you need to be accurate. How can you score great if your not accurate at all.. So.. think about it..


I dont know if they have to be more accurate or not Ball99999 im kind of curious as well.
The answer would be no. thats in my own opinion.

[bowl1820]

Stroker style bowlers tend to have a lower rev rate and not as high a back swing as crankers, so they depend more on having a repeatable and accurate shots. Mainly because the ball doesn't have quite the kinetic energy a cranker style would have.

Strokers get into trouble more when the lanes are dry and might not carry as many less than perfect hits that a cranker would.

Strokers I feel also have more room to adjust by moving and varying their release. Where as Crankers adjust mainly by varying speed and release.

Cranker style bowlers tend to have higher rev rates and higher back swings. And depend on generating area (a margin of error for being just a little less accurate) and power to score well on less than perfect shots/hits.

Crankers get into trouble when the lanes are "tight" (Lanes that don't hook much). They don't have any area to miss and tend leave more bad split's than a stroker. So they have to wait for the lanes to "open up", to get that area they need.

If the lanes are too dry both would have a problem.


Tweeners are trying for a little of both styles

[Ball99999]

How do they get such a high backswing?

[bowl1820]

How do they get such a high backswing?

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[Ball99999]

I've seen a couple times about having bent elbows, where does this apply and why is it bad?

[J Anderson]

I've seen a couple times about having bent elbows, where does this apply and why is it bad?

If you are trying to use a free relaxed arm swing bending the elbow introduces muscle tension.

[billf]

John, I've told him that on a few threads already. Evidently he doesn't want to believe me so here's to hoping he will believe you.

[billf]

Now to answer very bluntly the question of this thread

There are a lot of people that are in love with the "hollywood" hook. The sweeping, huge, powerful, gutter to gutter hook. Splits and nasty leaves be damned, these people are there for the flash, not the cash. These are the jokers that play that same line on every pattern, every lane, every condition. They either can't or won't adjust their game to the conditions.

There are others that are true "bowlers". They can play gutter to gutter but know their strengths and weaknesses. They play where the conditions dictate to maximize score. They can play down and in when needed and can throw the big, sweeping hook if needed. When they miss they tend to leave spare attempts than can be converted.

[RoccoRock]

No matter what your style, you need to be versitile. You have to learn what patterns are favorable for playing inside, and which play outside, and which lend themselves to multiple angles. When you say, "why do guys play inside" who are you refering too? Guys who show up, and just play house shots and try to hook it as much as possible? Or are you talking about pros? Guys like Belmo, Rash, PDW, that's what they do best, that's why they do it. Guys like Mike Fagan can do both very well, that's why he may be one of the best all around guys in the world. I was thinking of bowling a touney tomorrow, and they use shark pattern. I read up on it, and pretty much the only way to play Shark is inside. So if your watching a PBA event, and they're on Shark, you may see Belmo lofting over the left gutter, and using huge hook. It's because his rev rate is through the roof, and that's the best way for him to play it. BTW, he won the Shark tourney this year doing that. It all depends on the lanes conditions, the bowlers ball speed, and rev rate, and the ball they are using. Higher rev bowlers will tend to play more inside than others. You say Norm Duke plays outside and they are great, so why doesn't everyone play like that? Well Pete Weber is just as great, and he plays inside most of the time, so why don't most people play like that? Pick what works for you, and stop worrying about what other people do, and how they bowl.

[Ball99999]

John, I've told him that on a few threads already. Evidently he doesn't want to believe me so here's to hoping he will believe you.

What do you mean??

[Ball99999]

No matter what your style, you need to be versitile. You have to learn what patterns are favorable for playing inside, and which play outside, and which lend themselves to multiple angles. When you say, "why do guys play inside" who are you refering too? Guys who show up, and just play house shots and try to hook it as much as possible? Or are you talking about pros? Guys like Belmo, Rash, PDW, that's what they do best, that's why they do it. Guys like Mike Fagan can do both very well, that's why he may be one of the best all around guys in the world. I was thinking of bowling a touney tomorrow, and they use shark pattern. I read up on it, and pretty much the only way to play Shark is inside. So if your watching a PBA event, and they're on Shark, you may see Belmo lofting over the left gutter, and using huge hook. It's because his rev rate is through the roof, and that's the best way for him to play it. BTW, he won the Shark tourney this year doing that. It all depends on the lanes conditions, the bowlers ball speed, and rev rate, and the ball they are using. Higher rev bowlers will tend to play more inside than others. You say Norm Duke plays outside and they are great, so why doesn't everyone play like that? Well Pete Weber is just as great, and he plays inside most of the time, so why don't most people play like that? Pick what works for you, and stop worrying about what other people do, and how they bowl.

I was hoping to understand technically how the oil conditions make one way better than the other to play. Like you said with the Shark pattern, what is it about the Shark pattern requires players to play inside?

[bowl1820]

what is it about the Shark pattern requires players to play inside?

In the middle of the pattern there is less oil, toward the outside of the pattern there's a lot more oil.

If you throw the ball outside it's in all that oil and won't want to hook back to the pins. So you have to play more in the middle of the lane where you don't have to fight that larger amount of oil.

Think of it as a narrow road with ice on both sides of it, if you get too far off to the side of the road and into the ice your tires lose traction and you won't be able to get back on the road. So you have to drive in the middle of the road.

[Tampabaybob]

Believing a picture is worth a thousand words.....here's a link to some videos that may explain everything and answer your questions.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL825AE390411D9624&feature=plcp

Bob