My Nexxus and Flat 10s

[The German Shepherd]

A couple of weeks ago, I scuffed my Nexxus down to 1000 (OOB is 1500) because it seemd like it was going too long. Now it appears that the ball is standing up too quickly and I am leaving a load of flat 10 pins. What would happen if I put a coat of polish on the Nexxus? Would this help? Theoretically, shouldn't this help the ball to conserve more energy for the back end???

What say you?

Jay

[jimlc2001]

What I am reading is the ball reacts too early and runs out of power by the time it hits the pocket. Correct? Polish will save rotational energy to the breakpoint, creating more of a skid-snap reaction, but it might add more length than you want depending on your layout.

[The German Shepherd]

I have it set up to be very aggressive (Pin down) and it has a X hole in the P3...

Jay

[billf]

Worth a try. A coat of polish seems to be close to the equivalent of adding an extra 250 in grit which would put you between the 1000 & 1500.

[DanielMareina]

Usually I agree with billf 100%, but polish changes my equipment ALOT more than 250 grit. I would say it is more like delaying your reaction by 10 feet, than a difference in grit. To the question, polish can help, but it can also make the ball float through the break point. Asymetrical balls are designed to read the midlane, and if it doesn't, you will not like the reaction you get. I would suggest changing the base coat. I would put a heavy pressure 500 grit base coat, and then top coat with 2000. This will get it through the front of the lane, but the heavier base coat will make it grab the lane harder in the backend. I am very suprised that the OOB wasn't picking up early enough for you to be honest. That ball is very aggresive, and if you have a pin down layout, it should react strongly! Best of luck to you!

[The German Shepherd]

Usually I agree with billf 100%, but polish changes my equipment ALOT more than 250 grit. I would say it is more like delaying your reaction by 10 feet, than a difference in grit. To the question, polish can help, but it can also make the ball float through the break point. Asymetrical balls are designed to read the midlane, and if it doesn't, you will not like the reaction you get. I would suggest changing the base coat. I would put a heavy pressure 500 grit base coat, and then top coat with 2000. This will get it through the front of the lane, but the heavier base coat will make it grab the lane harder in the backend. I am very suprised that the OOB wasn't picking up early enough for you to be honest. That ball is very aggresive, and if you have a pin down layout, it should react strongly! Best of luck to you!

I tried the polish idea and I can tell you that it gave me the reaction I was looking for out of this ball. Love it!

Jay

[DanielMareina]

I am very glad that it worked out for you! Best of luck on leaving no more ten pins, flat or otherwise ;)

[billf]

I tend to put my polish on in kind of thin coats. I figure it's easier to add more than subtract and start over.

[DanielMareina]

That is very true bill. In that case, I am sure what your were saying is correct. I usually sand my stuff down more than polish it up. I have tried polish on matte finish balls a few times, and just never thought it reacted well. Now if I polish my stuff, I actually will put the polish on an abralon pad, so it sands and polishes at the same time. It is a trick my employee taught me, and I think it is close to the best of both worlds if you need length but don't want to sacrifice too much reaction.

[billf]

Thanks for the tip. I never would have thought of putting the polish on the abralon pad. I will try that this week.

[MICHAEL]

Ok question please! I bowled a sports pattern U.S. Open. I used a 180 pad! I still had to throw it very lightly, to get any hook! I stand second arrow, and was aiming 3rd…. otherwise it would not break at all on the fresh oil sports pattern. Would it break more if I would have polished the 180 grit, or better to
Leave dull? I have bowled two different patterns now, and I do 200 plus on first game, then go down hill after that? This polish, sanding thing has me confused!! I am talking Sports patterns!
I have had that problem on house patterns also…. Last week bowling at a new alley, I had a 245, first game, then a game a little while later where I had 9 frames with the 10 pin leaves,,, (they looked for the most part pretty good going into the pocket? We all had a big laugh about it,,,, the one frame that I didn’t have the 10 pin leave was 7 on the first ball and 2 on the spare shoot! 7@2=9! I think it was a message from somewhere sent to me,,,, I will be darn if I know what it was!! I did try moving boards ect.
I want to understand this polish/sanding thing better! I have a spinner, and a good assortment of pads!

I am sure this has been covered some where on this site, any links? Thanks in advance!

[The Mayor]

Michael, I don't care what pattern it is, 180 grit is way too dull. Especially if it's on a strong ball. Let's say that by chance there is enough oil for a 180 grit surface. Well, it's going to hook so early that you'll have no angle into the pocket and 10 pin.. 10 pin... 10 pin... You should never go below 500 grit in my opinion.

[bowl1820]

I agree with the Mayor, no ball needs should be at 180, for any pattern. You need some surface for that pattern, but not that much.

The US open pattern is a flat pattern and It emphasizes accuracy over anything else. the oil is placed in equal amounts on each board from gutter to gutter. Your basically not going to throw outside of ten, the balls not coming back.

You need to play pretty much straight up,you want your ball crossing as few boards as possible.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmJS0xikBVo&feature=player_embedded

[billf]

180 grit? Michael, Michael, Michael. Didn't you watch the DVD that came with your spinner? Yes the lower the grit the more potential to read the friction. But like most things in life; you can have too much of a good thing. If all that was needed was a rougher surface, then all the ball companies would just be making sandpaper cover stocks.

[DanielMareina]

180 grit is probably burning up all the energy in 10 feet, and it won't hook after that. I would never suggest anything under 500 grit ever.
With a flat oil pattern, the idea is to push the oil down the lane to create a spot to play. Burning up a flat pattern with 180 grit, it is not suprising things went down hill. I like to use 4000 grit asymetric balls with the pin below the fingers on flat patterns. The less jumpy the ball is off the end of the pattern, the better you will do on a flat pattern. I also ball down fairly quickly on the flat stuff. I wish you better luck on the pattern next time.

[billf]

I just did my Hell Raiser Revenge to 2000. Guess I will just have to see how it goes. Wish I had read this earlier but my Natural Pearl is at 4000 lol