bowling the blind team

[thwacking]

Any leagues have an odd number of teams? By accepting an 11th team, we established a weekly dilemma. bowling the blind team ---and rather than take the 4 wins and allow bowlers to goof off and sandbag, we have implemented the "blind" team that bowls your personal average, so that your team gets credit for wins only if they bowl well. However, it is hard to get amped to bowl against yourself. Bowlers might turn in a sheet that is less than their best, playing against competition that can't beat you unless you beat yourself.

personally, I think the blind week should just be practice and not count towards league standings it should just be a non-event for averages and wins/losses. or, we also may even consider allowing the blind week to be a week off from bowling for one team, which could even be scheduled in advance for family vacations or other obligations. have your leagues ever experienced the blind team conundrum, and how do you handle it?

[striker12]

well that cant do well cause think of it one team gets off the rest of the teams will get pts but the blind team has to beat there own avg to get pts but it has to be in series per game in overal soo 1 person can beat there avg by 40pin and 2 tie there avg and 1 gets 39 pins below his avg they jsut went +1 in that series soo they get the pts.

i dont fully under stand that but thats how it works it should be cause theres 4 people on each tema sometimes 5 at least every player has to beat ther avg at least 2 times ion 4 games or 1 time in 3 game for them to score 6 pts but if 1 misseds there avg in any 3 games they lose some pts that how it should be.

[Zothen]

Yes we have had blind teams! The reason they implemented the beat the blind team by bowling your avg,is so people don't sandbag,you know what that is don't you? It's where people who want to goof off,have 3 horrible games and then have a higher handicap the following week when their amped up to bowl 3 great games. We had this problem and that is why we went to having to bowl your avg. This makes it fair for everyone!

Zothen

[americantrotter]

Our house uses 100% of 200 handicap for most leagues. Blinds are always bowled as 190. (so you don't leave some bowlers at home and gain an edge over another team)

So the Blind team is 760. 4x190.

It is a reasonable expectation that your team has to bowl very close to their handicap to get a win. Sandbagging is negated and it feels like a true night of competition.

[bowl1820]

Any leagues have an odd number of teams?By accepting an 11th team, we established a weekly dilemma. bowling the blind team ---and rather than take the 4 wins and allow bowlers to goof off and sandbag, we have implemented the "blind" team that bowls your personal average, so that your team gets credit for wins only if they bowl well.

Plenty of leagues have a odd number of teams. It's not problem, most rules state:
An individual must bowl at least his/her average less ten (10) pins and/or teams must bowl
at least the team average less ten (10) pins per player, unless the league board states another
number. to win the point.




However, it is hard to get amped to bowl against yourself. Bowlers might turn in a sheet that is less than their best, playing against competition that can't beat you unless you beat yourself.


personally, I think the blind week should just be practice and not count towards league standings it should just be a non-event for averages and wins/losses.
That's a contradiction if it didn't count for standings then you can't have wins and losses.

Also if it didn't count for standings then that's just a automatic "loss" for that team.


or, we also may even consider allowing the blind week to be a week off from bowling for one team, which could even be scheduled in advance for family vacations or other obligations. have your leagues ever experienced the blind team conundrum, and how do you handle it?
This would be whats called a Bye system:
Bye System:
a. Team scheduled against the vacant team does not bowl.
b. Position standings shall be determined on a percentage basis.

I might suggest you check the USBC rule book and the League Officer manual (since your a Treas.) where they address how to handle these league issues

[thwacking]

thanks for the input, everyone

[Baroncad]

Three years ago we had 13 teams and thus a "blind team" with a avg. of 142 per. member (mixed 5) we goofed off AND lost to the "blind team" (not a good feeling). But it woke us up and other teams to try harder against ourselves.

[mrbowling300]

In our league, to win points against the blind team, you need to have a team score of at least -50 of your team average.

[J Anderson]

Any leagues have an odd number of teams? By accepting an 11th team, we established a weekly dilemma. bowling the blind team ---and rather than take the 4 wins and allow bowlers to goof off and sandbag, we have implemented the "blind" team that bowls your personal average, so that your team gets credit for wins only if they bowl well. However, it is hard to get amped to bowl against yourself. Bowlers might turn in a sheet that is less than their best, playing against competition that can't beat you unless you beat yourself.

personally, I think the blind week should just be practice and not count towards league standings it should just be a non-event for averages and wins/losses. or, we also may even consider allowing the blind week to be a week off from bowling for one team, which could even be scheduled in advance for family vacations or other obligations. have your leagues ever experienced the blind team conundrum, and how do you handle it?

I've always hated bowling against the blind team. Found that it helped to enter our averages less 10 pins, ( the score we need to beat ), for the blind team.

[chrono00]

our leagues around here do 80% of team average when bowling blind.

we had a team drop out like half way through summer league. we bowled the blind. we needed 532 (80% of the teams average) and barely hit that in the 2nd game. I think we wound up with a 540 somethin.
first and third games we shot 700+ though.

[got_a_300]

I would rather bowl against the best team in the world than to
have to bowl against the blind score. It always seems like our
team always bowls bad when we come up against the blind team
I guess we get to bowling too fast or something.

I never bowl any good if I bowl at a really fast pace which is what
seems to happen just about every time when we bowl against the
blind team. This past summer we bowled against the blind team
2 times and lost our butts both times. The first time we only took
4 points out of 18 and the second time 9 points out of the 18 if we
had taken all 18 points both times we could of had and would have
had 1st place locked up as no one could have caught us the last week
as we would have been 28 points ahead of the 2nd place team so we
could have lost every point on the last position round and still took 1st
place by 10 points.

So yeah I would rather have to bowl against any team in the world than
to have to bowl against a blind score.

[thwacking]

Quote: I guess we get to bowling too fast or something.

I never bowl any good if I bowl at a really fast pace which is what
seems to happen just about every time when we bowl against the
blind team.

Are you bowling on both lanes? Make sure the leadoff bowler does not start on lane two until the anchor has rolled on lane 1. This is not a waste of your team's time, as it should simulate game pace. If you bowl every time you are up, you will find yourself hurrying up on lane 1 to get onto your next frame on lane 2, giving you no time to sit and process between shots. Focus. When bowling the blind, you should have extra time on the lanes, because each frame you begin is never further delayed by the other bowlers. However, there is no reason to accelerate the pace just because you are "up" on both lanes at practically the same time.