Weaker ball

[Keithalw]

All of my balls are for medium to heavy oil and I didnt think of all this before league... When I was landing on my right foot I knew how to adjust properly and although not doing bad landing on my left foot I am still having trouble making some adjustments... tonight the oil broke down and allmy balls were hooking way hard. Even moving to the left worked some but when it hit the pocket it was kind of weak and I know this is due to me changing my approach along with my speed. Anyways main question I was getting to is I need a ball for dry to light oil anyone care to suggest something.

[AngeloPD]

DV8 Misfit

[Keithalw]

it says that the misfit is for medium lanes should I just get it drilled weaker?

[eugene02]

DV8 misfit drilled maybe not for maximum hook but average hook may work. it seems to be good it dry - medium oil. although i don't have 1, maybe bill can explain this :)

[Zothen]

Roto Grip Scream or Shout,Track 300T,Brunswick Slingshot or Karma,Ebonite Cyclone,Hammer Vibe or you could take your 508A up to 4000 with polish and see if that helps cut some of the hook down.

Zothen

[Ball99999]

I just want to give a negative vote to the dv8 misfit. It's never worked well for me. But you do have to have some oil for it to work.

[billf]

Dry; Storm Natural Pearl Medium-dry; DV8 Misfit pin up

[billf]

Another option; use your medium oil or heavy oil ball, take half the revs out of it and throw it straight up 10.

[martinezsam2495]

All of my balls are for medium to heavy oil and I didnt think of all this before league... When I was landing on my right foot I knew how to adjust properly and although not doing bad landing on my left foot I am still having trouble making some adjustments... tonight the oil broke down and allmy balls were hooking way hard. Even moving to the left worked some but when it hit the pocket it was kind of weak and I know this is due to me changing my approach along with my speed. Anyways main question I was getting to is I need a ball for dry to light oil anyone care to suggest something.

I've noticed how to fix when the ball is going in weak!
You're most likely playing along the middle am I right? Well I'll tell you how I fixed it,
First of all I'm lefty so you should switch everything to righty side
I start off at 19th board,
aim at 3rd arrow and want the ball to stay at the 2nd arrow before breaking into the pocket.
Well I noticed when I would throw the ball far out 1st arrow, usually due to a bad release, the ball would still look like it was going in for a strike but left me nasty splits.
The conclusion I came to was because since the ball has to fight against the oil it loses revs, so when the ball hits in the pocket it's usually weak and leaves a nasty split.
How I fixed this was by noticing what I was doing when I was releasing. I was releasing the ball to early, making it go too far out and weak when it goes in.
All I had to do was aim about 2 boards from my mark, and the ball would stay along the 2nd arrow.

[J Anderson]

The conclusion I came to was because since the ball has to fight against the oil it loses revs, so when the ball hits in the pocket it's usually weak and leaves a nasty split.


Your ball is not losing revs from fighting against the oil. What is happening is that its getting into the dry too early when you miss outside. Being a house shot, the ball still makes it back to the pocket, but with little energy left

[martinezsam2495]

Your ball is not losing revs from fighting against the oil. What is happening is that its getting into the dry too early when you miss outside. Being a house shot, the ball still makes it back to the pocket, but with little energy left
With Revs, I was referring to a loss of speed and power

[serial bowl]

Hammer Nail

[J Anderson]

With Revs, I was referring to a loss of speed and power

You're not going to lose speed and power from the oil,

[martinezsam2495]

You're not going to lose speed and power from the oil,

I say you do, if the ball is going in weak.

[billf]

Forget it John. One thing I have learned here, the low average, untrained, non-certified in anything bowlers know more than those that have bothered to get the training, take a physics class or pay attention.

[billf]

Sam, first you said the ball loses revs fighting the oil. Then you back tracked and said you were referring to speed and power. Umm, oil is a lubricant and conditioner and therefor unless your ball in going in excess of 10,000 rpms it can not and will not slow the ball down. It's basic science and why oil is used as the base product in all lubricants. What slows the ball down is the sudden grab after the oil. On a properly thrown ball the ball maintains speed through the skid phase, slows at the beginning of the hook phase where it then begins to unload the stored energy, picks up speed albeit in the direction of rotation and then goes into the roll phase where it should slightly speed up more and drive through the pocket.

I understand that with your vast knowledge of physics and dynamic bowling knowledge you may choose to disagree with me as you did John. You would be wrong. As with the rest of the human race, it wouldn't be the first time nor the last. Giving you the benefit of the doubt, I'm willing to entertain the idea that what you're thinking and typing just are not quit meshing together.

[Keithalw]

well okay then bill lol...

[J Anderson]

Forget it John. One thing I have learned here, the low average, untrained, non-certified in anything bowlers know more than those that have bothered to get the training, take a physics class or pay attention.

I thought about replying but I figured that Sam has made up his mind and isn't going to change it.

I learned not to argue with stubborn people 30 years ago. I had a boss who first reaction was to reject any suggestion from any employee, even or perhaps especially his own brother. If you tried to argue your point he'd just get mad. What I found out was that if I made a suggestion and accepted the rejection, a day or so later it might come back as his idea, at which point we would all nod and say great idea Ralph, we'll give it a try.

[billf]

well okay then bill lol...

I may have been a bit harsh. In truth, we all have lapses of stupidity where for some reason common sense and the ability to listen to reason escape us. To make an incorrect statement isn't an issue. To disagree when that incorrect statement is pointed out isn't just stubborn but borderline stupid. Ignorant is when someone doesn't know any better and that's not only acceptable but why so many people are here to help. We all started at the beginner level and were also ignorant. We share our knowledge to give back to the sport we love to hopefully help others enjoy it as much as we do. To post to help is great as is asking legitimate questions.
What a bowler averages really doesn't have anything to do with their knowledge base. If it did, all the pros would be coaches. Many people would be surprised to find out how little some of the pros know about the technique required or about the balls they use. They are naturals you don't really know how they generate so many revs or why they seem to always hit their mark. While others will know how it's suppose to be done yet never be able to actually perform the functions at an intermediate or elite level. The same can be said for some of the high average bowlers in any center. As a beginner and early intermediate player I would ask the higher average players questions and for help. These are the same people I bowl with now on a consistent basis and yes, even coach when they are struggling with a specific item. Their answers are still the same; I don't know. They still can't explain how they release the ball, generate revs or for some, even what they target.

[billf]

Keith, have you made a decision yet?

[martinezsam2495]

Sorry about that Bill, I guess I was a little stubborn, hehe
I'm young, and you should know this. Most teenagers try to be right when it comes to losing an argument. :p
I was just telling what the guy at the pro shop said.

[billf]

Sorry about that Bill, I guess I was a little stubborn, hehe
I'm young, and you should know this. Most teenagers try to be right when it comes to losing an argument. :p
I was just telling what the guy at the pro shop said.

Sam, I accept stubborn. I don't accept what your pro shop guy said. If he really said your ball was fighting the oil when you hit first arrow (most THS are mostly dry from the 10/second arrow to the gutter as are the backends) so it couldn't come back, he is in the wrong business and I personally nominate him as one of the biggest morons to work in a pro shop. I also have trouble accepting that after all the time you've been here and all you SHOULD have learned, that you didn't think for yourself and realize that what he said just wasn't logical. You have been on thread after thread where it was discussed when a high performance, heavy oil or medium-heavy oil ball was used on a dry lane it would use too much energy getting down the lane and not have enough left to power through the hook and roll phases. You could have shown everyone what a moron this person was if you would have gone to a medium or medium-dry ball and threw that same line. Then you could of asked him how the "weaker" ball managed to fight that oil to crush the pocket. Given how stupid this pro was, I'm guessing your friend is correct and your ball was drilled for a right hander.

Word of advice on gaining respect as a young adult. When you are wrong and know it, admit it. When you are right, never back down. But always, always, maintain an open mind so it can be proven either way.

[martinezsam2495]

Sam, I accept stubborn. I don't accept what your pro shop guy said. If he really said your ball was fighting the oil when you hit first arrow (most THS are mostly dry from the 10/second arrow to the gutter as are the backends) so it couldn't come back, he is in the wrong business and I personally nominate him as one of the biggest morons to work in a pro shop. I also have trouble accepting that after all the time you've been here and all you SHOULD have learned, that you didn't think for yourself and realize that what he said just wasn't logical. You have been on thread after thread where it was discussed when a high performance, heavy oil or medium-heavy oil ball was used on a dry lane it would use too much energy getting down the lane and not have enough left to power through the hook and roll phases. You could have shown everyone what a moron this person was if you would have gone to a medium or medium-dry ball and threw that same line. Then you could of asked him how the "weaker" ball managed to fight that oil to crush the pocket. Given how stupid this pro was, I'm guessing your friend is correct and your ball was drilled for a right hander.

Word of advice on gaining respect as a young adult. When you are wrong and know it, admit it. When you are right, never back down. But always, always, maintain an open mind so it can be proven either way.

Alright, will do;
Yeah, sorry about that Bill, I should of known better. I guess I was confused from his explanation. Probably most of it was bullsh*t. By a picture would you be able to tell?

[billf]

It goes back to an old saying I learned when I was 12. "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullsh!t"

[J Anderson]

It goes back to an old saying I learned when I was 12. "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullsh!t"

I was taught " Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"!

[billf]

John, I heard that one also but have always had trouble backing down. I learned my saying after hearing a salesman with my boss. My boss was a nice, quiet man with amazing ethics. When the salesman left he said to watch out for people like that, that they live by a different philosophy, the "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullsh!t' philosophy. It was the only time I heard that man cuss and it always stuck with me.

[Keithalw]

Keith, have you made a decision yet?

Bill, I am thinking storm natural or maybe tropical breeze... I do not know lol I even thought of the misfit lol