Ten Pin left

[Keithalw]

What causes the ten pin to stay up when you throw what looks like to be a great ball and hits the pocket? Just curious if its like an adjustment thing or just S*!t happens or what

[billf]

Wow, this is the third straight thread I read on this...Depends. Is it frame after frame? The entry angle is off but why depends on what happened for the ten pin to stand. Moving half a step closer on the approach helps most bowlers while some others prefer to change lines.

[75lockwood]

http://www.bowlingboards.com/threads/11185-cant-string-them-together

just explained :p

[bowl1820]

Here's a diagram about leaving ten pins and 3 more threads talking about the ten pin.

http://www.abc2bowling.info/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/leaving10pin2.jpg

"You are looking at the ball hitting the pocket. The ball could have struck the head pin slightly heavy (diagram A) or it could have struck the head pin slightly light (diagram B). Of course there’s always the question of the ball’s angle of entry to consider."


http://www.bowlingboards.com/threads/10822-Dadgum-10-pin!!

http://www.bowlingboards.com/threads/8626-Adjustments-for-that-dang-cold-ten-pin?highlight=ringing

http://www.bowlingboards.com/threads/4990-Excessive-10-pin-leaves?highlight=ringing

[75lockwood]

Here's a diagram about leaving ten pins and 3 more threads talking about the ten pin.

http://www.abc2bowling.info/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/leaving10pin2.jpg

"You are looking at the ball hitting the pocket. The ball could have struck the head pin slightly heavy (diagram A) or it could have struck the head pin slightly light (diagram B). Of course there’s always the question of the ball’s angle of entry to consider."


http://www.bowlingboards.com/threads/10822-Dadgum-10-pin!!

http://www.bowlingboards.com/threads/8626-Adjustments-for-that-dang-cold-ten-pin?highlight=ringing

http://www.bowlingboards.com/threads/4990-Excessive-10-pin-leaves?highlight=ringing

How did you get the diagram to come up on your post!??!!? i just spent 5 minutes trying and gave up.... http://www.bowlingboards.com/threads/11185-cant-string-them-together

[Keithalw]

Billf it was literally frame after frame the other night. Then my teammate was throwing his ball and either leaving the seven or ten up almost every frame...

[75lockwood]

Billf it was literally frame after frame the other night. Then my teammate was throwing his ball and either leaving the seven or ten up almost every frame...

Based on the diagram above, do you recall if it was ringing or flat? depending on this you should either play a different line or simply move left a board or so

[Big Nick]

Not trying to hijack the thread, but what about pocket 7-10s? I threw two of those in the same game during league on Sunday night.

[bowl1820]

Not trying to hijack the thread, but what about pocket 7-10s? I threw two of those in the same game during league on Sunday night.

The cause and fix are basically the same as the ten pin. It's a light pocket hit with the ball just behind the headpin.

[Mike White]

In all my time bowling, I don't think I've ever seen the pins travel as shown in diagram B.

[75lockwood]

In all my time bowling, I don't think I've ever seen the pins travel as shown in diagram B.

Ha, its not that easy to pick out, the pin's move extremely fast, the ringing 10 is a lot more obvious because you see the 6 pin fly around the 10

[Vince805]

Wow, this is the third straight thread I read on this...Depends. Is it frame after frame? The entry angle is off but why depends on what happened for the ten pin to stand. Moving half a step closer on the approach helps most bowlers while some others prefer to change lines.

I had this problem last night in my league. i left 6 10pins my first game!!!!! i moved over and nothing. so a buddy suggested moving up a bit on the approach. Worked perfectly for me. It looked good and hit the pocket every time and destroyed everything but 10 pin never moved a bit. ball even when right through the pocket like it does on a strike ball. Hopefully moving up a bit helps you too. Good luck

[Mike White]

Ha, its not that easy to pick out, the pin's move extremely fast, the ringing 10 is a lot more obvious because you see the 6 pin fly around the 10

In diagram B, the ball would have to hit the head pin at a fairly specific location to have the head pin hit the 2, and the 2 hit the 4, and the 4 hit the 7.
This is a higher contact point (on the head pin) than where the ball is positioned on diagram B, However even from the higher contact point, the ball would have to continue going left significantly to hit the 3 pin in such a way as to have the 3 pin contact the front of the 6 pin, sending the 6 pin directly between the 9 and 10 pins.

I think what you call a flat 10, I would know as a weak 10, where the 6 pin lays in the gutter. In diagram B, it would have to be the 3 pin in the gutter.

Again, I don't see that happening.
Meaning I doubt it happens.

[Mike White]

Does anyone know of a youtube video where someone leaves a "flat 10" that matches diagram B?

[AZBowla]

Does anyone know of a youtube video where someone leaves a "flat 10" that matches diagram B?

This video talks about both "flat" and "ringing" 10's (or 7's for us lefties).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-zN2Y9nxvU

Might be helpful. I learned a few things from it.

[Keithalw]

Most time when I leave the ten it is a flat ten and every so often I will leave the ringing ten... Ringing ten seems like its always in the tenth frame on the last ball ... Btw Azbowla that was a good video on the tens...

[Mike White]

This video talks about both "flat" and "ringing" 10's (or 7's for us lefties).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-zN2Y9nxvU

Might be helpful. I learned a few things from it.

This guy agrees with me that a flat 10 results in the 6 pin in the gutter which wouldn't happen in diagram B

[bowl1820]

Well all I can say is I didn't draw the diagram, maybe Mikes right it can't happen, maybe it can I don't know.

Here's another description, someone else had of it.

What's Happening?

It's easy to attribute a standing 10 pin to bad luck, and from time to time, it may be true. But if you're consistently leaving the 10 pin, something is obviously off. Most likely, it's your entry angle.

When you're knocking down every pin but the 10, you're either coming in light (the 3 pin hits the back of the 6, pushing it in front of the 10) or heavy (the 3 pin hits the front of the 6, sending it to the back of the 10).

While bowling, take note of what the 3 and 6 pins are doing. If you see the 6 missing in front of the 10, you're coming in light, and if you see it hitting behind, you're coming in heavy. If you can't tell, you can still try these simple adjustments to figure out your solution.

[Keithalw]

I will keep that in mind bowl1820 and try to rmember what the 3 and 6 are doing thanks everyone

[75lockwood]

I will keep that in mind bowl1820 and try to rmember what the 3 and 6 are doing thanks everyone

One last thing, who say's there is only one type of Flat 10? it is releasable to imagine there are a lot more ways to leave a 10 pin standing than illustrated in the two diagrams.

[Hammer]

I have had league night bowling times when I would leave quite a few 7 pins flat or ringing. I am a south paw. The thing that is maddening is the shot looked good in the pocket. When I get one on my first ball I usually turn around and looking at the floor say a few expletive deleteds. Church league remember. I wish I could find a way to adjust for it.

[Keithalw]

Well tonight I went and practiced and didnt do bad but did watch everything when my ball hit and seems like I am leaving mostly flat 10s when I do leave them...

[75lockwood]

Well tonight I went and practiced and didnt do bad but did watch everything when my ball hit and seems like I am leaving mostly flat 10s when I do leave them...

Your hitting light, move half a board to a board left or right (depending on if you where high or low) and you should hit like a truck.

[Mike White]

Before you make adjustments based on what the 3, or 6 pin does you have to consider what the 1, 2, 4 and 7 pin does. On a true pocket shot, the 1, 2, 4 and 7 pin follow a domino pattern. If the pins are bouncing off the kickbacks to carry the corner pins, you aren't really in the pocket. Whichever way you are off the pocket would dictate your first adjustment.

[billf]

Before you make adjustments based on what the 3, or 6 pin does you have to consider what the 1, 2, 4 and 7 pin does. On a true pocket shot, the 1, 2, 4 and 7 pin follow a domino pattern. If the pins are bouncing off the kickbacks to carry the corner pins, you aren't really in the pocket. Whichever way you are off the pocket would dictate your first adjustment.


Thank you, thank you, thank you. I know when I see it but couldn't think how to properly word it. The difference between being in the pocket and so close that you just thought you were in the pocket. I kept telling people that the pins on the left will tell you if you're in the pocket and got strange looks. Domino pattern never crossed my mind. Dang, getting old sucks!

[Keithalw]

I get what your saying now bout a good pocket shot. Thanks everyone... i will let ya know how it goes sunday on how well it was in the pocket and to what tens I leave which hopefully will be none