Fresh THS, am I not sending it out far enough?

[Ball99999]

So I am in a period of transition right now but something I think I realized,
all night I was basically doing either one of these two lines, thinking I needed oil:

http://i.imgur.com/cEEXE.jpg

and I really didn't get much hook.

But, then I tried something, and this happened

http://i.imgur.com/jwx24.jpg

I got more hook and the ball started to actually make a move less far down the lane than before (closer to me). I don't know why this wasn't totally obvious to me before... I'd imagine this is what the whole -31 thing is about. It has to hit friction to start a roll.. And the oil before that is to keep its energy going so that it still has enough energy so it can roll AND hit the pocket with some authority but it needs to have a balance. What I was doing before was simply not trusting my ball.

Can anyone show me an example of where a long heavy pattern still allowed people to have a large hook when there wasn't friction to the outsides?

[J Anderson]

Can anyone show me an example of where a long heavy pattern still allowed people to have a large hook when there wasn't friction to the outsides?

No. Given the right technique and equipment a ball can hook sharply on a long heavy oil pattern, but there isn't enough distance from the end of the oil to the pin deck for the ball to cross a lot of boards.

[75lockwood]

Patterns like the shark are a lot trickier but when dealing with a THS with a large volume of oil, move right and throw straight up the side, and if you still hit shallow, adjust your target closer to second arrow

[Ball99999]

No. Given the right technique and equipment a ball can hook sharply on a long heavy oil pattern, but there isn't enough distance from the end of the oil to the pin deck for the ball to cross a lot of boards.

This makes me feel better.

I hear about the US Open being a very hard pattern but some still play the outside. Is that because they send it into a roll earlier with end over end axis rotation (or lack of)?

[Ball99999]

Patterns like the shark are a lot trickier but when dealing with a THS with a large volume of oil, move right and throw straight up the side, and if you still hit shallow, adjust your target closer to second arrow

So getting more specific, straight up the side as in the right side of the 2nd arrow?
Shallow being more or less oil?

[75lockwood]

Sorry,

by straight up the side i mean up first arrow, and by shallow i mean if when you throw straight up first arrow it doesn't make it into the pocket move your target left and try again.

the below video is an extreme example of playing way outside lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=70zloyrYndc

[Ball99999]

Sorry,

by straight up the side i mean up first arrow, and by shallow i mean if when you throw straight up first arrow it doesn't make it into the pocket move your target left and try again.

the below video is an extreme example of playing way outside lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=70zloyrYndc

Ok yah..
basically enough oil on first arrow for like the one guy playing up first arrow but doesn't stay that way forever right?

I used to play up first arrow I need to try it again.

[75lockwood]

Ok yah..
basically enough oil on first arrow for like the one guy playing up first arrow but doesn't stay that way forever right?

I used to play up first arrow I need to try it again.

Correct, as the oil breaks down you will need to move left and shoot the same target.

your feet should be the only thing moving, aim for the exact same spot.

[bowl1820]

Maybe this could help

USBC Lane Play Chapter 8
http://www.athletics2000.com/andrew/Documents/USBC%20Chapter%2008%20Lane%20Play.pdf

[75lockwood]

Maybe this could help

USBC Lane Play Chapter 8
http://www.athletics2000.com/andrew/Documents/USBC%20Chapter%2008%20Lane%20Play.pdf

Bowl you have a lot of great resources, submit them to the FAQ!!! PLEASE lol

[Ball99999]

Maybe this could help

USBC Lane Play Chapter 8
http://www.athletics2000.com/andrew/Documents/USBC%20Chapter%2008%20Lane%20Play.pdf


Wow!! This is so freaking amazing, it is more in depth than I could possibly have imagined, thank you. Do you have other chapters?

[75lockwood]

Wow!! This is so freaking amazing, it is more in depth than I could possibly have imagined, thank you. Do you have other chapters?

6-8 are in the FAQ!

[bowl1820]

These 3 are the main chapters of interest

Bronze Cert. Manual Chapters 6-7-8

USBC Bowling Ball Parts & Dynamics Chapter 6
http://www.athletics2000.com/andrew/Documents/USBC%20Bowling%20Ball%20Parts%20and%20Dynamics.pdf

USBC Fine Tuning the Physical Game Chapter 7
http://www.athletics2000.com/andrew/Documents/USBC%20Chapter%2007%20Fine%20Tuning%20the%20Physic al%20Game.pdf

USBC Lane Play Chapter 8
http://www.athletics2000.com/andrew/Documents/USBC%20Chapter%2008%20Lane%20Play.pdf

Matching the Ball to the Bowler
http://www.athletics2000.com/andrew/Documents/Matching%20the%20Ball%20to%20the%20Bowler.pdf

[Zothen]

You can also take the length of the pattern say for example the keigel Atlanta pattern which is 38' and subtract 31' and that is starting point 7 board. I know people who use the PBA theory which is throw ball down 1-2 board and if ball hooks to pocket play that line,if not then play the 13 board. I personally can't play that close to gutter so I play the 7 and it works for me.

Zothen

[bowl1820]

You can also take the length of the pattern say for example the keigel Atlanta pattern which is 38' and subtract 31' and that is starting point 7 board. I know people who use the PBA theory which is throw ball down 1-2 board and if ball hooks to pocket play that line,if not then play the 13 board. I personally can't play that close to gutter so I play the 7 and it works for me.
Zothen

Just a FYI the Exit point formula (pattern length - 31 = Exit point),Just tells where the ball should exit the oil pattern.

It doesn't tell you the breakpoint.

[Zothen]

Does it matter if your a Down & In or a Coast-Coast bowler? I'm Down & In with 15-16mph and about 250 revs.

Zothen

[bowl1820]

Does it matter if your a Down & In or a Coast-Coast bowler? I'm Down & In with 15-16mph and about 250 revs.

Zothen

• A down-the-boards (or down and in) shot is a shot which goes in the same direction as the boards until some point down the lane where (you hope) it will break for the pocket.

If your asking does a "down and in" bowler have a breakpoint they do. So yes knowing where the breakpoint is would matter.

[billf]

BTW Bowl, I still haven't scanned the rest of that manual but those chapters are not nearly as informative as 6-8.

[75lockwood]

BTW Bowl, I still haven't scanned the rest of that manual but those chapters are not nearly as informative as 6-8.

when you do, can i get a copy? LOL

did you upload those chapters to that site or?

[Zothen]

I should have asked the question differently. What I ment to say was does a down & in player have it easier then a coast-coast player? I think I have an advantage since I can play straight up then coast-coast. On the other hand coast-coast players might have it easier on shorter patterns.

Zothen

[noeymc]

it goes both way both players have to make adjustments on any lane due to everything that could effect there shot temp lane conditions anything how that person is feeling that day all these things can play into it and there are a lot of other things that come into play

[Ball99999]

Just a FYI the Exit point formula (pattern length - 31 = Exit point),Just tells where the ball should exit the oil pattern.

It doesn't tell you the breakpoint.

The exit point is determined by the length because if the length is too long and the ball exits on the outside it won't have enough angle to get to the pocket, and if the length is too short and the ball exits too far inside it'll veer left, right?

[billf]

I should have asked the question differently. What I ment to say was does a down & in player have it easier then a coast-coast player? I think I have an advantage since I can play straight up then coast-coast. On the other hand coast-coast players might have it easier on shorter patterns.

Zothen

Straighter is greater. Advantage= YOU. It's all what you're use to. Some find it easier to shoot with the shoulders square to the lane, like most strokers do while others have no problem finding an object to be square to thus allowing their shoulders to be open at the line. Personally, down and in is easier for me but that's only because I tend to pull it when cranking being conscience of the looming gutter. I don't have that anxiety when playing straight up the 1.

[bowl1820]

[QUOTE=Ball99999;61516]The exit point is determined by the length because if the length is too long and the ball exits on the outside it won't have enough angle to get to the pocket, and if the length is too short and the ball exits too far inside it'll veer left, right?[/QUOTE

If you want to know about the exit point formula you'll have to read about it.

You can start here:
http://bowlingknowledge.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=20&Itemid=46