Lucid angle into the pocket adjustment needed HELP!!

[MICHAEL]

Prepped with a 4000-grit smooth matte finish, the Lucid can be easily adjusted to fit anyone's game. Polish it up to get it through the choppiest heads or scuff it with a surface pad to better read the midlane… the choice is yours! The new Lucid by Storm - it clearly sets itself apart from the competition!
Ok my question is my lucid has the out of box finish mentioned above! I have not been able to use it at either of my bowing establishments, Both AMF’s, but with different oil machines. On league night the ball goes down the lanes great, but hooks, ( LEFT, and HIGH on the HEAD PIN, IF not left of it )! If I wanted a more controlled gradual hook, what type of surface should I go 2??
I know about moving left, but I wind up not getting that great angle into the pocket that has given me my 700 scores? I hate to not use this new ball, I have a feeling if I can get the surface adjusted, I might have a formidable weapon, that not only looks good going into the pocket, but SMEELS, as sweet as it looks!!

I have a complete set of Pads/polish/ ect ect!! How do I take that radical kick out of it, and make that last few feet more controlled! I like rev’s I get, and the look of the ball as it goes down the lane very much, but it just has that last few feet of huge hook! I have had with my DV8 Marauder, 3 700 series here lately, and I found out it has a different core. Could it be that symmetrical cores are more suited to my type of bowling? Is the answer simply that I should bowl with the symmetrical type balls like the Marauder? I bowl the Walter Ray delivery style? Stand right, shoot just outside the second arrow.

[75lockwood]

Michael,

Balls with Asymmetric are always going to have more kick in the back end than those without, you can lessen this by using a weaker layout or by altering the surface, but they have always been known for the "hockey stick" ball path. Can you refresh my memory as to the other balls you use? (besides Marauder and Lucid) Given that the lucid is such a high performance ball, its going to hook and hook hard.

as for the lane conditions, just because it didn't work at 2 different AMF centers doesn't really mean anything, both could be using a light or medium oil volume in which the lucid was not meet for. i recommend talking one of the allys to request that you try the ball on a very heavy oil pattern, this will prove if you simply are bowling on lanes the ball was not meant for.

changing the surface can help, but i don't know enough about this topic to recommend anything

[MICHAEL]

Thanks for your thoughts! I only bowl at the two AMF's here in kansas city! I bowl on 4 leagues now, and will have the same oil from now till the end of my bowling. SOOOOOO ,,, I now have this great NEW BOWLING (starting, and aiming position), and want to work my balls around what I have. I had NO IDEA how well this new system was going to work out, 3 700 series with the Marauder.

I want to take that SHARP edge off the ball right at the end of its journey into the pocket. I don’t want to redrill the ball, so I would like to know if through adjusting surface I can even out that hook! Polish/sanding ect?

The Marauder is my 700 series ball! It is the only ball that has given me that look that works!

[75lockwood]

Thanks for your thoughts! I only bowl at the two AMF's here in kansas city! I bowl on 4 leagues now, and will have the same oil from now till the end of my bowling. SOOOOOO ,,, I now have this great NEW BOWLING (starting, and aiming position), and want to work my balls around what I have. I had NO IDEA how well this new system was going to work out, 3 700 series with the Marauder.

I want to take that SHARP edge off the ball right at the end of its journey into the pocket. I don’t want to redrill the ball, so I would like to know if through adjusting surface I can even out that hook! Polish/sanding ect?

The Marauder is my 700 series ball! It is the only ball that has given me that look that works!

Well, the lucid is a WAY stronger ball than the marauder, and is going to hook more. why did you make such a huge jump in performance?

anyway, maybe someone else can key on on what might work to take some of the edge off in terms of a surface change. how about this, instead of changing the ball, freeze the lanes with your icy powers to reduce the friction!

[Zothen]

I would suggest polish as this will cut hook down. BTW how is the ball drilled? You can try moving 2 boards to the left and try throwing over 10-12 and play the tighter line.

Asymmetric cores work best for me on Sport patterns where I need the hook and symmetrical cores work best for me on THS where I don't need a big hook. Their are times thou where I will use symmetric for Sport patterns and asymmetric for THS. My speed is 17-18mph(Incl +2 to speed gun)and have about 250 revs.

Zothen

[The German Shepherd]

Hi Michael. I would add a light coat of polish to her and see what she does. Mine makes a hard move just like you re describing, but I feel fine moving left and letting it wind up some revs in the heavier oil before hitting the break point. If you don't want to move your feet/target, I would try polish next.

Jay

[MICHAEL]

thanks for all the advice,,, I just did the polish, and BOY DOES it look SWEET!! Will let you know how it all works out tomorrow in league! Moving is not a bad idea, I have tried it, but really like that angle I get with the Maurader standing more right, then left! Thanks again!

[kmf]

Polish it. A 2 and 1 adjustment would work but you seem to not want to do that.

[billf]

Hey stubborn, old man, polish that dang ball. You're the surface pro so just do it.
Why so stubborn on the moving?

[Bahshay]

Your original post is about how its too uncontrollable at the break point. For that reason, polishing it is a terrible idea. You will be able to stay further right like you wish, but the ball will become even more violent off the spot.

To control the breakpoint, you will need to add MORE surface to the ball, not less. Of course, this will force you to slide even more to the left. By the sound of it, you really like your Marauder on the conditions you are bowling on, so I think your best option is to keep using that and save your Lucid for different conditions when the Marauder isn't quite making it around the corner.

Its worth noting, if you don't like a sharp break point, the Lucid probably isn't the best ball choice :D

[MICHAEL]

Your original post is about how its too uncontrollable at the break point. For that reason, polishing it is a terrible idea. You will be able to stay further right like you wish, but the ball will become even more violent off the spot.

To control the breakpoint, you will need to add MORE surface to the ball, not less. Of course, this will force you to slide even more to the left. By the sound of it, you really like your Marauder on the conditions you are bowling on, so I think your best option is to keep using that and save your Lucid for different conditions when the Marauder isn't quite making it around the corner.

Its worth noting, if you don't like a sharp break point, the Lucid probably isn't the best ball choice :D
That makes sense in regards to the polish, and how it will affect the kick at the near collision point! I have pulled that LUCID out several times, on Fresh,,, Just laid oil on our lanes, and it looks beautiful right up the last few feet where it takes a left turn! I have good speed, and average rev’s now, so its not overpowered by revs, like when The Dude does his thing with the ball!

I think you are correct, the fact that 700’s have been coming out of that Marauder, with out of box surface condition, makes me think also that symmetric cores are my cup of tea! I have never hit such high scores with any of the asymmetric cores. What do you all think of the FRANIC, for a back up to the Marauder! I have read the stats on the New Marauder, and it looks like it has MORE KICK in the end, and believe me the Marauder I have has plenty!! Its too late for the layout of the ball! I don’t want to plug it. So I guess I will save it for maybe sports patters ect… That Marauder, has give me in the short time I have owned it 3 700 series,,,,, ( 700,,,,724,,,,,and the last one 749). I hope it keeps it up! At my age keeping it UP, ( I hear can be problem), but not yet with me!!

My goal after the 700 league score, was 750,,,,, will I am going to call 749 good for that goal,,, my new goal is 775! ((((would settle for 774 lol ))) Got my Mongoose training wrist/hand thing yesterday! Not sure I need it considering, but it will be fun playing with it!! Remember,,, I just started bowling 3 years ago, started when I was 61! LOVE THE SPORT!!! Thanks for all the advice!!

[Bahshay]

That makes sense in regards to the polish, and how it will affect the kick at the near collision point! I have pulled that LUCID out several times, on Fresh,,, Just laid oil on our lanes, and it looks beautiful right up the last few feet where it takes a left turn! I have good speed, and average rev’s now, so its not overpowered by revs, like when The Dude does his thing with the ball!
Rev rate isn't the only factor that will make it fly off the spot. Also consider axis rotation and axis tilt. High axis rotation or low tilt will also cause a sudden movement off the spot. Together, they can cause a VERY sharp break point. If you don't know what they are, here is a article that explains it pretty simply: http://www.bowlingball.com/info/axis-tilt-and-axis-rotation.html.


I think you are correct, the fact that 700’s have been coming out of that Marauder, with out of box surface condition, makes me think also that symmetric cores are my cup of tea! I have never hit such high scores with any of the asymmetric cores. What do you all think of the FRANIC, for a back up to the Marauder! I have read the stats on the New Marauder, and it looks like it has MORE KICK in the end, and believe me the Marauder I have has plenty!! Its too late for the layout of the ball! I don’t want to plug it. So I guess I will save it for maybe sports patters ect… That Marauder, has give me in the short time I have owned it 3 700 series,,,,, ( 700,,,,724,,,,,and the last one 749). I hope it keeps it up! At my age keeping it UP, ( I hear can be problem), but not yet with me!!
Don't scare yourself away from asymmetrics altogether. A good arsenal should have a mix of both. The Marauder works perfect on your current lanes, but at a different house it likely won't react exactly the same. Every ball has a time and a place. At another house with a longer pattern, you may find that the Marauder is hooking late and hitting weak, and the angularity of the Lucid will be exactly what you need to kick the 10 pin out. That said, if you only bowl in the one bowling alley, you probably don't need any other high performance balls and you may never need that one.

As for the Frantic, its a great ball that is loved by probably 95% of the people I've seen use it. The ball is a little weaker and longer than the Marauder (depending on surface, layout, etc), but it is VERY strong off the spot. Depending on the lane conditions, you might find your frantic hooking more than your Marauder because it is able to take advantage of dry boards better. On drier lanes, strong balls are weak and weak balls are strong. If you dont like the ball motion of the Lucid, you might not like the motion of the Frantic either. If you do pick one up, I'd suggest a layout that weakens the angularity of the ball a bit.

Some companies do still make weaker balls that are more of a long and controlled, though they are a much rarer breed nowadays. If you prefer that reaction shape, I can recommend a few other balls you might be interested in.
1. Seismic Blackout - Hopefully you will still take my word for it even though I rep Seismic, but the Blackout IS the best/most controllable med-light or burned condition ball I've ever used. The weaker cover combined with an Low RG-Low Diff core ensures the ball gets down lane easily but doesn't jump off the spot. HIGHLY recommended, and I would be happy to help you get one. http://seismicbowling.com/solarisBlackout.html
2. Track 503C - Before I was on staff with Seismic, this was my go-to early rolling but weak ball. Equally weak cover but a much stronger core than the Blackout, which caused it to be much earlier than the Blackout but still with a very controlled motion. My favorite part of the ball was listening to all my teammates scream "SIT!" because they thought the ball was going to hook through the nose, only to watch it arc perfectly into the pocket. Made me laugh every time :D
3. If you want to stay in the Brunswick family, the Versa Max would be a great choice. Very smooth off the spot, but with good length. Overall hook would be close to the Marauder, but with more length. The newest Karma Pearl would also be a good choice if you wanted something weaker.

Hope this helps.


My goal after the 700 league score, was 750,,,,, will I am going to call 749 good for that goal,,, my new goal is 775! ((((would settle for 774 lol ))) Got my Mongoose training wrist/hand thing yesterday! Not sure I need it considering, but it will be fun playing with it!! Remember,,, I just started bowling 3 years ago, started when I was 61! LOVE THE SPORT!!! Thanks for all the advice!![/QUOTE]

Best of luck, and keep up the great bowling!

[75lockwood]

My goal after the 700 league score, was 750,,,,, will I am going to call 749 good for that goal,,, my new goal is 775! ((((would settle for 774 lol ))) Got my Mongoose training wrist/hand thing yesterday! Not sure I need it considering, but it will be fun playing with it!! Remember,,, I just started bowling 3 years ago, started when I was 61! LOVE THE SPORT!!! Thanks for all the advice!!

Best of luck, and keep up the great bowling!

Never set low goals!

if you want to shoot a 750 aim for 800! if you want 800 aim for 900!

[Bahshay]

Best of luck, and keep up the great bowling!

Never set low goals!

if you want to shoot a 750 aim for 800! if you want 800 aim for 900![/QUOTE]

Woops, I should edit my post, that was a quote from Michael's post above. But I agree!

[Bahshay]

Hmm quoting doesn't seem to be working well for me lol

[75lockwood]

Lol, i think that was my bad, i had a rouge "[/QUOTE]"

try fixing it now ;)

[Bahshay]

It won't let me edit my post, but no worries. Its sound advice anyway!

[MICHAEL]

It won't let me edit my post, but no worries. Its sound advice anyway!

Thanks for all the great advice!! On the edit of post, try right button on mouse, and then click open! Check the box on the far right, then use your mouse on reply, right button again, and choose OPEN! I had the same problem when I first got on line, but found out that using the open in menu works every time!

[MICHAEL]

Rev rate isn't the only factor that will make it fly off the spot. Also consider axis rotation and axis tilt. High axis rotation or low tilt will also cause a sudden movement off the spot. Together, they can cause a VERY sharp break point. If you don't know what they are, here is a article that explains it pretty simply: http://www.bowlingball.com/info/axis...-rotation.html.


THANKS,,,, Very interesting!! Great article!!!