Arm going straight back

[krash11554]

I can't get my arm to go straight back it's wrapping around my back. Any ways to break this habit ?

[Mike White]

Most times the arm goes back opposite the direction it first went forward.

Start to the right, tends to come back to the left.

This assumes right handed, reverse that for left handed.

To be sure, we would need video. Since a picture is worth a 1000 words, a video must be worth 100k.

[75lockwood]

I can't get my arm to go straight back it's wrapping around my back. Any ways to break this habit ?

It sounds like you are holding the ball out to far from your body, you want it in line with your shoulder.

would it be possible for you to upload a video of yourself bowling? that way we can give advice specific to what we see instead of just guessing.

[75lockwood]

Most times the arm goes back opposite the direction it first went forward.

Start to the right, tends to come back to the left.

This assumes right handed, reverse that for left handed.

To be sure, we would need video. Since a picture is worth a 1000 words, a video must be worth 100k.

well, assuming a framerate of 30fps, 100k words is only 3.33 seconds :D

a good 2 minute video.... now that's 3.6 million words :cool:

[noeymc]

give this a try when you start your approach push the ball towards your target see if that helps

[Mike White]

well, assuming a framerate of 30fps, 100k words is only 3.33 seconds :D

a good 2 minute video.... now that's 3.6 million words :cool:

You're neglecting video compression. 100k words would represent a lot more than 100 pictures.

Also, some people can get a lot said in only 3.33 seconds. I know a 15 yr old that talks in a continuous stream of words. I have to tell her to pause after every dozen words so I can catch up.

[krash11554]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25p9yPVRfdk&feature=plcp

also whats not in this video where my foot starts it moves like a foot to the left.

[billf]

Your feet move left and your arm swings wide right. Combined you cover at least three feet of the lane. The drift left isn't a big deal if it's consistent. The swing going to the right of your head is. Keep the arm under your eye/head and STOP bending your elbow. Those two things would be a good start on gaining accuracy and predictable ball movement.

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[Mike White]

Your feet move left and your arm swings wide right. Combined you cover at least three feet of the lane. The drift left isn't a big deal if it's consistent. The swing going to the right of your head is. Keep the arm under your eye/head and STOP bending your elbow. Those two things would be a good start on gaining accuracy and predictable ball movement.

I don't think he moves left. Watch just his left foot, it appears to move parallel to the boards. His 3rd step goes to the right making the ball appear to go behind his back, and makes the slide appear to go left. The gap between where the left foot slides, and where the ball is set down is very large and pretty much eliminates and leverage he might have.

I would start with the slide step drill getting the ball much closer to the ankle. Then work on a 2 step drill getting the right foot more in line with the intended path of the ball.

Those two things would allow him to start further to the right away from the ball return.

[billf]

Mike, I agree with you especially after watching the video a few more times. In person is so much easier.
I think so many start near the ball return because the big crankers do and then adjust everything else to try to get the lay down further right where they really need it.

[TeriHam]

I slowed down his video and this is what I am seeing. Your gripping and muscling your ball and its limiting your swing path/plane and throwing your timing off, hence why you step to the side after your release, your balance is off, which all falls back to timing.
You need to get your ball into motion sooner, it needs to start as soon as you start your foot starts moving into your first step,..you have a really nice hinge motion for your push away, just remember your foot shouldn't go forward any further than your push away, maybe make your first step a bit shorter. From your video your 2nd step looks good although you ball isn't quite to the point it should be in, so you kind of begin to chase your shot. Which makes you step to the side on your 3rd step, taking your ball out of its swing path/plane and your arm/elbow as well, so it goes out away from your body in your initial slide to the line, making you getting there late and causing you to pull and muscle the ball more. You strike a lot which is a good thing!! So your targeting system works well.
This is what I would do, first because you tend to muscle your shot think about using your legs more, they are you balls engine, not the upper body,....
bring your ball down a bit in your stance, elbow back a bit, make sure its inline with your shoulder and your hand and your forearm are inline with your target, RELAX your arm, if your bicep is contracted your not relaxed enough, if your ball fits properly (something you should have checked) you should not have to grip and squeeze the ball, you want your arm as relaxed as possible,...
think about starting your ball first (just get it started in motion a second before) then your foot, e.g. ball moves on the count 1 your foot starts on "and", like 1 and, 2 and; keeping your elbow in near your side it should like graze you shirt on the down motion and back, load up on your 3rd step for your slide, be sure to keep your 3rd step inline with your 2nd, don't step out, drive thru your slide keeping your arm in its swing path, so your release point is right inside you left ankle, remember that when you release your ball, your hand followed by your forearm should be inline with your target as you follow thru your shot and post up your shot,..... watch your ball!
I found the the one step drill helped me to learn to keep my arm in as well as help with my swing path.



relax your arm
don't grip the ball
swing path
3rd step

[Hammer]

When you set up tilt your upper body a little to your bowing side which is your right. The ball should be held so it is in front of your head and lined up with your eyes like a gun sight. When you do your pushaway you should extend the ball straight out from your bowling side shoulder. When you do the pushaway don't extend the arm
ramrod straight. Leave the arm relaxed and somewhat bent then the weight of the ball will straighten out your arm naturally. If you push the ball straight out it will go straight back as long as you don't manipulate it and try to guide it back. A good example of this would be a string and a weight. If you hold the string in front of you and pull the weight straight away from you it will come right back to you. If you pull the weight to your left and let it go it will swing to the right and pull to the right and it will swing to the left. Same thing with a 16lb bowling ball. If you let the ball do what it is supposed to on it's own without manipulating it with your hand or arm it will go to where it is supposed to depending on where you pushed it out to. So straight out will give you straight back.

[Tampabaybob]

Agree with Mike. Your first and second steps look good, third not too bad. Your feet are a little too fast and that's one thing that's making you fall over to the right at the line....SLO DOWN. Next thing, and Bill is right, straighten out the arm, and stop bending the elbow. For the first two and 1/2 steps the elbow is fine then you start to bend it. As Mike said you need to get the ball closer to your slide foot. Try keeping your right toe on the floor the whole time at the end of your approach, that should help in two ways...it'll help you remain balanced at the line and it should bring for arm in somewhat.

Try some of these suggestions and upload another video and let us know how you're doing.

Bob

[LonelyBowler]

I've seen this happen with myself. It's so strange seeing a ball "wrap" around your body like that. Push the ball much more to your left, in front of you.