question on balance HOLE!!

[MICHAEL]

I have a new ball and it needs a balance hole to be Legal! I wanted to test it out a while, and see how it works, with my style! Problem is, it works GREAT JUST THE way it is! I don’t want to change Anything! I know I have to have it drilled into the ball, so is there a way to do it that does not affect the ball’s motion down the lane? It’s the Marauder Madness. ((Where is the best place to put that damn balance hole!! You know what I think about balance holes....%#&*$%$#@!!!!

[bowl1820]

Using the gradient line balance hole placement, you'd want a P2 location

[JaMau24]

Yes. Absolutely 100% there is a place where the balance hole can be drilled to not have any affect on the balls reaction. In fact, I was talking to Bruce (the guy that drills your balls) tonight, he said it will quite possibly even make it roll smoother. It has to be done. It won't affect the reaction of your ball, if you don't want it to.

[MICHAEL]

James drilled the Marauder Madness, not Bruce. Thanks for the information! I might let you win Friday, or at least not try that hard! LOL….. I will give him, Bruce a call today! I don’t want to screw up this Magic Ball in any WAY shape or form!! I like the way it moves down the lanes and into the pocket JUST AS IT IS!! ……. Thanks Jason for the information! I thought maybe I might have to leave the country, and take my unbalanced Madness with ME!!! LOL

[bowl1820]

Yes. Absolutely 100% there is a place where the balance hole can be drilled to not have any affect on the balls reaction. In fact, I was talking to Bruce (the guy that drills your balls) tonight, he said it will quite possibly even make it roll smoother.

That's kind of a contradictory statement. It's saying Yes there's a place where the hole can be drilled that won't affect the balls reaction. Then in the same breath "he said it will quite possibly even make it roll smoother".

If it makes it roll smoother, then it's affecting the balls reaction!


It has to be done. It won't affect the reaction of your ball, if you don't want it to.

[MICHAEL]

WELL, bowl1820,,,, ((( what is the TRUTH??))) If it dosen't affect the balls reaction, then WHY does it NEED to be done? WHAT would you do with a ball thats HOT just the way it is!

[75lockwood]

WELL, bowl1820,,,, ((( what is the TRUTH??))) If it dosen't affect the balls reaction, then WHY does it NEED to be done? WHAT would you do with a ball thats HOT just the way it is!

I'm Guessing its to heavy and thats not allowed! if it were, there would be people on steriods throwing a 25lb ball 20mph getting godly carry.


Dude was saying two different things, if you want the ball to be exactly the same that can be done, if you wanted it even smoother that too can be done :D

Right dude?

[MICHAEL]

I think it has to do with the weight block! Not the weight of the ball. Too much side weight, can make a ball react differently! That core that's inside the ball can, ( I think), depending on the drilling give an advantage in hook, bla,,,bla,,, bla,,,,!! I am sure somone will make this clear to us soon!! lol

[Mike White]

I think the idea is that ball motion is

70% cover: polyester, urethane, reactive resin, it's roughness, and it's ability to absorb oil.
25% core: The RG, int RG, RG diff,
5% static weights: Finger Weight, Side Weight, Top Weight, Total Weight

It sounds like your ball is out of specs on the static weights.
This would make the ball illegal to use in USBC competition.

A properly placed weight hole will effect neither the cover nor the core, just the static weights

Personally I don't see how this is possible, so I interpret no change to the core as a change that won't effect the shape that the core creates.

[JaMau24]

Yeah. I mean, nothing can change with the reaction, or if you want, it can be made to roll smoother. Regardless, if you're using it in any sanctioned event (leagues, tournaments) it's illegal to use and it can be weighed and it's going to fall back on the pro shop. How likely is it that the ball gets weighed? Probably extremely unlikely, but that doesn't mean a pro shop is going to take their chances. They have to do things the right way.

[MICHAEL]

Static weight! Weight of the ball! So it a ball weighs over 15lbs, its illegal? Or what is the weight that is leagal? What about the difference between a 15lb ball and a 16 lb ball? I don’t get it! I will go back and re-read what has been posted! This is a BiG STEP for me….. I have this perfect ball, and people want to drill the hell out of it just because of a few ounces? Leave us alone!!! Go drill someone else’s ball!!

[MICHAEL]

P 2 sound all wrong!!! Where in the hell is P-2??? I am going to take this to the surpreme Bowling Court of the Undited States of America!! Leave my ball alone!! All it wants is to not be Holy! Its a DV8,,,,, as far from holy as a ball can get!! OOOOOO,,,, I can't find my ball???? where ,,,,what happen to it???
It must have went into hiding!!! It's gone,,, never to be seen again,,,,, I might just quit bowling now that its gone!! All over a ounce of static weight!!! SAD!!

[MICHAEL]

Using the gradient line balance hole placement, you'd want a P2 location

Do they know before drilling a ball if its going to need a Hole drilled in it for static weight problems. Can a ball be ordered at a low end of 15lbs, and then after the fingers are drilled, the likelihood of having a hole drilled in it would be less likely! I have a LUCID, and a Marauder that do not have a balance hole,,,, why this Marauder Madness???

[MICHAEL]

Its settled!! I buried it in my back yard! Unmarked grave! I would rather put it to rest, then go through the pain of drilling into its perfect weight, IMHO!! My Lucid, and original Marauder, were born without the need to be drilled a balance hole,,,,,, they,,,, were lucky ones!! Their brother will RIP,,,, in my back yard inside a small pine box!!

[MICHAEL]

http://www.morichbowling.com/Education/GradientLineBalanceHole/GradientLineBalanceHole.htm

So a balance hole DOES, and CAN make a huge differance, up to 40 percent!! Placement must be VERY IMPORTANT, and how much is taken out. P-1, p-2, p-3, and p-4 position!

[noeymc]

just do's it lol

[75lockwood]

Its settled!! I buried it in my back yard! Unmarked grave! I would rather put it to rest, then go through the pain of drilling into its perfect weight, IMHO!! My Lucid, and original Marauder, were born without the need to be drilled a balance hole,,,,,, they,,,, were lucky ones!! Their brother will RIP,,,, in my back yard inside a small pine box!!

you do realize you buried a DV8 ball... its going to rise from the grave as a zombie

[AZBowla]

you do realize you buried a DV8 ball... its going to rise from the grave as a zombie

He's lucky he doesn't live here in Phoenix or I'd go find his house and dig that thing up in the middle of the night!

[MICHAEL]

just do's it lol


How would you like to have a hole drilled in your P-2 side!!! You don't get!!!!

[noeymc]

i got a balance hole in my hammer taboo lol

[Davec13]

As long as you don't use it in league/tourney play it will be fine.

[MICHAEL]

just do's it lol

Conclusion

The numbers simply prove that in coordination with the drilling layout, placement of the balance hole is rather simple and generates a significant amount of impact on the final product. Armed with this new information, matching bowlers to equipment to lane conditions becomes much easier! The bottom line -- it makes sense!

[MICHAEL]

He's lucky he doesn't live here in Phoenix or I'd go find his house and dig that thing up in the middle of the night!

I already thought of that,,,, its unmarked,,, and just to make it impossible, I dug about 30 holes in my back yard 8 feet deep! Being a DV8, I stuck with the number 8! So you would have a Hell of a time finding it, and might even be dangerous, since the soil could cave in on you! Two of the holes are bubby trapped! 3 have false tops with sharp bamboo embedded in the bottom!
I also have flood lights that are motion/heat activated! Soooooo if you want,,,, if you feel lucky,,,, give it a stab! Its there to stay,,, in all its Madness!! A ball without a hole in p-2 position!

[AZBowla]

What if by drilling the balance hole that ball gets you back to back 300's? Hmmmmmmmm....

[billf]

Mike, I'm surprised they even let you have the ball with the weight being illegal. Just get it done and don't worry about it. P2 will have zero affect on reaction.

[MICHAEL]

Mike, I'm surprised they even let you have the ball with the weight being illegal. Just get it done and don't worry about it. P2 will have zero affect on reaction.

How do you know where you want the balance hole, unless you bowl a little with it? I wanted to check it out at the two different AMF's where I bowl. I now know after tonight, that I do not want it any more aggresive!

Its perfect at AMF in North Kansas City, but the lanes at AMF vivion, are completely different with less oil, and a different oil machine. So I would not want the P-3, or P-4 hole. Might even want the P-1! The marauder madness has a LOT MORE DIVE in the end then my Red original Marauder! They are drilled almost the same, so it’s the cover stock. I think its good to bowl the various places you bowl, before you have the balance hole drilled. Other wise How IN the HECK do YOU even know where the hole should be placed. From what I read it can be negative at p-1,,,, the same no change at P-2, p-3 20 percent more aggressive, and p-4 up to 40 percent! So knowing how the ball reacts, is crucial in knowing where you want that balance hole, it can help make the good ball a perfect ball if you take the time to check it out! I will get it done tomorrow, since I now know where I want it drilled!

[MICHAEL]

What if by drilling the balance hole that ball gets you back to back 300's? Hmmmmmmmm....


Yes and the end time will be December the 21,,,!! LOL I would settle for ONE!!! I am getting old!!

[bowl1820]

How do you know where you want the balance hole, unless you bowl a little with it? I wanted to check it out at the two different AMF's where I bowl. I now know after tonight, that I do not want it any more aggresive!


Mike has a valid point here, trying the ball out first to determine the best place to put the hole.

Now if the shop is high tech and has the Blueprint program they can simulate the ball reaction on the computer, on different patterns and hole placements and it's pretty accurate showing what the ball will do.

[MICHAEL]

Thanks bowling 1865,,,,, I bet 99 percent of the pro shops don't have that equipment! After just one week of trying it out, I am now ready to have it drilled! It might be the P-1,,,,, I swear it had waaaaaaay to much hook tonight at league! But,,,,, but it works great on my Monday league that is not sanctioned! So I will have a discusion with the driller and let you all know how it turns out! Its pur Madness how this ball hooks the last 3 feet or so!!

[J Anderson]

Might even want the P-1! The marauder madness has a LOT MORE DIVE in the end then my Red original Marauder! They are drilled almost the same, so it’s the cover stock. !

Just remember, The point of having more than one ball is to match up with different lane conditions, not to get your weight bearing exercise lugging four balls, which all react the same, from the house to the car to the alley and back. The P-1 position should only be used if you can't control the down lane reaction.

[The German Shepherd]

Bowl1820 suggested a balance hole in the P2 area and he is spot on. This will make your ball legal (given the hole is drilled the right size) and will have a minimal effect on your performance. Fear not...

Jay

[MICHAEL]

Just remember, The point of having more than one ball is to match up with different lane conditions, not to get your weight bearing exercise lugging four balls, which all react the same, from the house to the car to the alley and back. The P-1 position should only be used if you can't control the down lane reaction.

VERY good point!! I think thats my problem, and many others also! I have 4 powerful high end balls! I would have given my kingdom for a Urethane bowling ball last night in league! Started out with a 236, then the oil was gone by the second game, with 5 man teams 10 bowlers. I might look into a low in ball for dry lanes! Jason brought up a good point the other night! He was trying to, (while bowling league teach me another delivery path)! Standing at 30 board, and aiming between 15 and 20! I was not comfortable with that mainly because I have not practiced that delivery! Today during our two hour practice I will give it a shot.
Everybody wants the newest badest high end ball out there, but in reality to handle all lane conditions you need a balanced group of balls…. GOOD POINT!

[75lockwood]

VERY good point!! I think thats my problem, and many others also! I have 4 powerful high end balls! I would have given my kingdom for a Urethane bowling ball last night in league! Started out with a 236, then the oil was gone by the second game, with 5 man teams 10 bowlers. I might look into a low in ball for dry lanes! Jason brought up a good point the other night! He was trying to, (while bowling league teach me another delivery path)! Standing at 30 board, and aiming between 15 and 20! I was not comfortable with that mainly because I have not practiced that delivery! Today during our two hour practice I will give it a shot.
Everybody wants the newest badest high end ball out there, but in reality to handle all lane conditions you need a balanced group of balls…. GOOD POINT!

don't forget to record week 3 of barbershop bowling! (an xtraboard production)


o and i think your problem is you buried a 200 bowling ball in your backyard LOL

[ArtVandelay]

Pardon my ignorance:

Why would a ball be considered illegal without a balance hole? How would one know if they are required to have a balance hole? Perhaps my ball has been illegal for 6 years??? hahahaha.

This is the first I've ever heard, but I'm far from an expert... I'm just curious!

[J Anderson]

Pardon my ignorance:

Why would a ball be considered illegal without a balance hole? How would one know if they are required to have a balance hole? Perhaps my ball has been illegal for 6 years??? hahahaha.

This is the first I've ever heard, but I'm far from an expert... I'm just curious!

After a ball is drilled, it should be checked to make sure that one side isn't significantly heavier than the other side of the ball. If it doesn't fall within the tolerances, a balance hole needs to be drilled to bring it into compliance.

[ArtVandelay]

After a ball is drilled, it should be checked to make sure that one side isn't significantly heavier than the other side of the ball. If it doesn't fall within the tolerances, a balance hole needs to be drilled to bring it into compliance.

Who'd have thought? Go figure! Ya learn something new every day!

[J Anderson]

Who'd have thought? Go figure! Ya learn something new every day!

Some of us anyway.