Rate at which players burn up oil

[75lockwood]

i was talking to a guy today and he was saying something about how he prefers to avoid specific patterns (the one i was bowling on) because he would end up having to switch balls 3 times in a game because of how fast he would burn up the oil. this leads me to the question, do different styles burn up the oil at different rates? i.e would a cranker burn up the oil faster than a stroker? (what made sense in my mind)

i was the only one bowling that line today (2 kids throwing straight up the middle) and only had to move 4-5 boards right the entire day.

Thanks!

[billf]

Different styles do burn it up quicker. So won't different ball finishes too. Sanded more than matte, pearl the least. It's not really the style as much as the rev rate. I state it that way because I know some power strokers or tweeners that have higher rev rates than some crankers. The ball revving heats up the surface more (coefficient of friction). This heat is what burns up, or dissipates, the oil. In reality what really happens is the oil gets pushed to the outside edges of the ball track.
The heat needed to truly burn the oil away is a lot hotter than what is produced. This is why a player being to the inside of his opponent can, at times, ruin the opponents line as they push small amounts of oil into the other player's track. Now if you can rev is faster then you could actually push the oil inside and ruin that line. I play against a lot of lower rev, higher axis rotation crankers and ruin their break point this way. It usually also messes up the lower speed, lower rev stroker's trying to play a line near mine. Usually mid way through the first game I will have then going high and they don't have the capability to adjust correctly.

[Cochese]

I am not sure of actual numbers for real bowlers, but in that video of the bowling robot EARL, they said the robot throwing on the same line 5 times wouldn't strike any more. So I imagine with two teams of 5 guys, if even a few guys are playing similar lines, it would burn up pretty quick.

[75lockwood]

Different styles do burn it up quicker. So won't different ball finishes too. Sanded more than matte, pearl the least. It's not really the style as much as the rev rate. I state it that way because I know some power strokers or tweeners that have higher rev rates than some crankers. The ball revving heats up the surface more (coefficient of friction). This heat is what burns up, or dissipates, the oil. In reality what really happens is the oil gets pushed to the outside edges of the ball track.
The heat needed to truly burn the oil away is a lot hotter than what is produced. This is why a player being to the inside of his opponent can, at times, ruin the opponents line as they push small amounts of oil into the other player's track. Now if you can rev is faster then you could actually push the oil inside and ruin that line. I play against a lot of lower rev, higher axis rotation crankers and ruin their break point this way. It usually also messes up the lower speed, lower rev stroker's trying to play a line near mine. Usually mid way through the first game I will have then going high and they don't have the capability to adjust correctly.

This makes a lot of sense bill, thanks :D

and yes you are a mean mean bowler lol

second question:

lofting.... it would make sense to me that lofting the ball would move the oil around a lot more inconsistently (i'm thinking of a the splash made when jumping into a pool) would this alone not cause players who loft to hit the pocket less accurately (assuming they hit their mark)

[75lockwood]

I am not sure of actual numbers for real bowlers, but in that video of the bowling robot EARL, they said the robot throwing on the same line 5 times wouldn't strike any more. So I imagine with two teams of 5 guys, if even a few guys are playing similar lines, it would burn up pretty quick.

I would be interested to see the data from earl comparing how many shots you can strike in a row without moving at different rev rates, kick that baby up to 900rpm's and see if it can still do 5 in a row lol

[bowl1820]

Some reading that might help:

Click for Lane Pattern Transition: Creating a Good Wedge (http://bowlingknowledge.info/images/stories/slowinskijune10.pdf)
I share with readers details how men and women deplete the lane as well as how a team of bowlers can deplete the pattern to their advantage.

Click for The Myth of Carry Down: How Lanes Really Transition (http://bowlingknowledge.info/images/stories/slowinski_oct_for_slowinski.pdf)
oil depletion is why ball motion changes in the modern sport of bowling.

Click for THE INSIDE LINE: 2011/03/23 - Oil Pattern Depletion By Ted Thompson (http://www.kegel.net/V3/ArticleDetails.aspx?ID=76)

[75lockwood]

Some reading that might help:

Click for Lane Pattern Transition: Creating a Good Wedge (http://bowlingknowledge.info/images/stories/slowinskijune10.pdf)
I share with readers details how men and women deplete the lane as well as how a team of bowlers can deplete the pattern to their advantage.

Click for The Myth of Carry Down: How Lanes Really Transition (http://bowlingknowledge.info/images/stories/slowinski_oct_for_slowinski.pdf)
oil depletion is why ball motion changes in the modern sport of bowling.

Click for THE INSIDE LINE: 2011/03/23 - Oil Pattern Depletion By Ted Thompson (http://www.kegel.net/V3/ArticleDetails.aspx?ID=76)

many thanks Mr bowling librarian :D

[Perrin]

Those are really good articles. certainly explains some on why the moves that are needed change depnding on the teams you bowl against(their lines)

[billf]

Bwn, when lofting correctly the ball is still projected out, not up. So the splash would be like a platform diver, the good dives leave very little splash while the poor dives give a big splash. Obviously Mika and Fagan are great at it.
Plus, knowing how far you need to loft can get tricky. One of the sciences that's more of an art.

[75lockwood]

Ben, when lofting correctly the ball is still projected out, not up. So the splash would be like a platform diver, the good dives leave very little splash while the poor dives give a big splash. Obviously Mika and Fagan are great at it.
Plus, knowing how far you need to loft can get tricky. One of the sciences that's more of an art.

far enough, i was just thinking that if someone who lob's the ball hits another person's line every throw could cause the line to become quite inconsistent.

all this talk on the invisable aspect of the game has my brain hurting... o wait, that's all the coughing i'm doing lol

[MisterSinister]

If you watch PBA tour shows on ESPN, every now and then they bring up this subject. I've heard them say things like guys don't like sharing lanes with the two handers, cause they burn the oil up much faster than they are used to. So instead of moving left 1 board every 3 times on a lane, they move 2 boards every 2 times on a lane. Or they will try to play left of the two handers line to avoid them killing thier line.

[swingset]

Some reading that might help:

Click for The Myth of Carry Down: How Lanes Really Transition (http://bowlingknowledge.info/images/stories/slowinski_oct_for_slowinski.pdf)
oil depletion is why ball motion changes in the modern sport of bowling.


I read that, but it's misleading from a standpoint of what most of the bowlers who complain of carry-down actually compare about - which is older plastic or urethane balls creating the carry-down. That article seems to imply that everyone is bowling, all the time, with modern covers.

If only.

Certainly not in the leagues or houses I bowl in.

[Perrin]

definitely.

Tuesday I bowl 5-man where everyone is throwing Resin newer stuff - moving left every 3/4 game or so.
Wednesday is 4-man mostly resin but occassional plastic - Move left every game to game and a half
Thursday- 4-person mixed. Half the people in the league throw plastic down the middle(including 3 other people on my team) - Moving RIGHT every game to game and a half.

[scottymoney]

I have run into moving right as a right handed bowler and I couldn't figure out why. Then I realized that instead of other bowlers pushing my line left I was bowling with guys on my team who were pushing my line right. I have a straight bowler and a guy who plays the 3rd arrow on my team and another guy who plays around my line on the 2nd arrow. It was weird to think moving right was the way to go as you always hear everyone talk about moving left as their shot gets burnt up.

[bowl1820]

Breakdown and Carrydown – Then and Now
Sunday, April 22, 2012
By
Ted Thompson
http://www.kegel.net/V3/ArticleDetails.aspx?ID=91