The lightbulb just came on. I finaly get it

[GeoLes]

I have been watching the pros bowl for a while and have made sucessful adjustiments and have seen progress. However, one thing that has always eluded me is how they get such a high back swing. (not that higher backswing equals more pinfall, which it does not). After watching some analysis of Pete Webbers back swing, I noticed that he seems tilts forward allowing higher swing in back. (Micahel Fagan is a perfect example of this). He also keeps his hands inside of the ball, allowing the ball to rotate slightly outside at the top of the swing. But what I recently noticed was that he actually opens up the shoulder allowing the arm to swing outside of the "swing plane" and somehow manages to get it back to the line on the return.

Then I recalled seeing a Norm Duke video when I started bowling where he demonstrated the importance of closing the shoulder on the forward swing. He just kind of tucked the shoulder in just prior to twisting the torso as the ball swings through. I did not realize what the meant until I matched it with PW's outside backswing. It not only brings the ball back on track. By keeping the hand inside the ball it creates that "inside-out" release where the ball path is closer the the shape of a question mark rather than a hook or curve. The line is further inside and the ball wrap creates a stronger hook on the end. I have noticed it with bowlers like Sean Rasch whose release seems awful close to his sliding foot. Now I understand how it is done.

Who-da-thunked-it?

[swingset]

There's for sure more power and speed with opening up the shoulder to free it for a higher backswing - but it comes at a cost which is control. Just like in Golf, the more "wind" you give to your body on the backswing, the more power you generate as the club is released - but the harder it is to hit the ball...because your gross muscle movement is greater and coming back into alignment is harder.

I can swing like that, and generate a lot of speed and revs, but my control is nowhere near a more traditional approach. Plus, you're putting more pressure on wrists and forearms to generate that in/out swing...and it can be harder on your tendons.

[ecub]

Maybe this might help...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5nnDbV0znE&list=PLD97720759BA5CE8A&index=39

[billf]

Playing the inside part of the ball does have some great advantages but likeswingset posted, accuracy does suffer. For how long depends on the individual. As for the forward tilt creating a higher back swing, that is so true. Most of that is an optical illusion, like a see-saw, it's always at the same plane but it's relationship to the fulcrum (torso) is changed.

[Tampabaybob]

George...... It's always nice to hear someone recognize "the light bulb coming on". Now the hard part, actually getting the muscle memory in sync to do it. Many games, league and practice and I'm sure you'll be there. Good luck. Let us know how you're doing.

[e-tank]

Maybe this might help...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5nnDbV0znE&list=PLD97720759BA5CE8A&index=39

i watched this vid a couple months ago and it all felt overwhelming. I just watched it again and it was all easy to understand. pretty crazy

[GeoLes]

i watched this vid a couple months ago and it all felt overwhelming. I just watched it again and it was all easy to understand. pretty crazy

I guess the light bulb came on :)

[GeoLes]

George...... It's always nice to hear someone recognize "the light bulb coming on". Now the hard part, actually getting the muscle memory in sync to do it. Many games, league and practice and I'm sure you'll be there. Good luck. Let us know how you're doing.

Worked on that pert of delivery only during practice today and found it harder to get that shoulder shift to the inside line. I do get a good increase in revs even without the shoulder tuck. Even on a more outside line, the ball is more dynamic going down the lane. I will have to continue isolation drills.

[e-tank]

I guess the light bulb came on :)

well i just start bowling in nov so i learn atleast 1 thing new each day. Ill consider the light bulb as on when i can actually do it haha

[Tampabaybob]

Yeah, I posted this video several months ago, and then got accused of over using it to get my points across. It's probably one of the best that's ever been put together.

Supposedly they're working on another video... #2 in the series. Should be interesting to see when it comes out.

[e-tank]

i guess the lightbulb came on last night cosmic bowling as i was able to have the high back swing and be able to control it but i wasnt able to add enough revs onto it for it to hook very much

[ecub]

I used to have a high back swing, which reduced my revs. My timing was usually always off. The beginning of this year, I reduced my back swing, but increased the speed of my follow through. I also slowed down my steps in approach. Results was an increase in speed, revs, and timing, which also improved my accuracy. I'm been shoot more 600's in ALL the leagues I bowl in.

[GeoLes]

well i just start bowling in nov so i learn atleast 1 thing new each day. Ill consider the light bulb as on when i can actually do it haha

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May you never bowl in the dark.

[jbeck]

I've watched that video a number of times as well...I definitely want to learn that cocked to uncocked release.

[Tampabaybob]

I've watched that video a number of times as well...I definitely want to learn that cocked to uncocked release.

It takes quite a bit of practice to get it to be consistent, but if you work at it you can do it. You'll be amazed how much of a difference it can make.