defiant surface change

[kmb197035]

what is better taking the defiant to 4000 grit or polish ?

[ecub]

Depends what you're looking for in the conditions you're bowling in. It's like saying, which tires are better, summer tires or winter tires?

[kmb197035]

the condition i bowl in is drier middle and oilier outside

[ecub]

Are you doing well in the 1st game, then worse in the 2nd & 3rd? What's your ball doing now?

[kmb197035]

my last game goes down.the defiant kinda dies before it hits

[ecub]

If that's your only ball, then I'd just make a move. If your ball is dying by the 3rd game, sounds like you're hitting some oil, therefore, you probably just need to move to the right. What adjustments are you making with your feet/body from 1st to 3rd game?

[kmb197035]

i start out far right throwing over the one arrow by the third game i have moved left to the center and throwing over the second arrow

[noeymc]

pros move back or forward everyone else moves side to side

[bowl1820]

pros move back or forward everyone else moves side to side

Pros move where they have to move, side to side, forward or back not just forward or back.

@kmb197035 the main things I see are.

1-You start out right and move left as the night goes on. (Your following the oil line)
2-my last game goes down.the defiant kinda dies before it hits.

This sounds like the track area of the lane by the 3rd game has dried out and your ball is starting to burn up so is coming in weak. The Defiant is a heavy oil ball, so needs some oil to work properly.

Going to a smoother/polished surface can help with this, but remember this will change the first game reaction also. So be prepared to make adjustments there.

As to what surface to use, the question nobody asked is "What surface are you using now?"

Assuming it's the O.O.B. (3000-grit Abralon) you could go to 4000 see how it does, then if needed add a touch of polish on top of the 4000.

Another option is to move deeper (more toward the 3rd arrow) and play closer to the pocket.

2nd option is to move right and increase speed. Then play a more direct line to the pocket.

[Zothen]

You could always take it to 1000-2000 no polish and see if that helps get thru the oil better.

Zothen

[americantrotter]

I just had a similar conversation with my friend who drills my equipment. I talked to him about the defiant just not moving and what should I do?

He told me not to do anything harsh. The ball needs a lot of oil and if I wasn't getting reaction and an adjustment didn't help, put back in the bag till there is more oil. He then sanded it back down to factory to ensure proper reaction.

I'm going to keep the defiant in my bag and use it more sparingly instead of an every game kind of thing. I think that's where i went wring with mine. I wore it out on minimal oil in the Summer and then I couldn't get the hang of it on oil months later and lost confidence in it.

[kmb197035]

i might put some polish on it and see what happens.i always can take it back to factory finish

[Old lefty]

I agree with bowl1820....sounds like the balls looking for more oil to hold it up a little,it's just burning up all it's energy

bowl 1820 is right....that ball is for heavy oil,it will burn it's energy out if the lanes or where your playing is too dry.

you need more oil for that ball ...it's using up all it's energy..listen to bowl1820

[kmb197035]

if it using up energy would using polish help that out

[Old lefty]

Sure it would,but it may also defeat the purpose of the stronger ball it's self ..as i would go further before reading the lane

[kmb197035]

ended putting some polish on the defiant.works allot better.ended up having more control

[kmb197035]

went and practice today and threw a 254 game with the defiant