new ball for a two handed approach

[TweakX4]

so i'm a two handed bowler and currently own a misfit and zombie spare but i'm looking to add to my arsenal when i get my tax return. any suggestions?

[ecub]

Depends. What shots are you having problems with? What reaction are you looking for? Do you bowl in leagues or just open bowling? Do you know what oil pattern you bowl on?

[I suck at bowling]

I'm a two handed bowler myself, so I can help you out.

Like Ecub said above, what kind of reaction are you looking for?

[Zothen]

Columbia VOW(Medium oil) and Defiant,Sync,Raptor talon for heavy oil.

Zothen

[RoccoRock]

It has been my experience as a two handed bowler that really aggressive equipment does not work too well with such a high rev rate. Even when the conditions are on the heavy side. If I use anything more aggressive than my Outlaw, I leave corner pins, or the ball hits light leaving splits. Now if your as talented as Belmo or Osku, and can constantly drill new balls until you get the reaction your looking for, then you can get away with using Vivids and Syncs. For amateurs, I would recommend staying away from high end equipment. I wouldn't get anything more aggressive than a Marauder, or Disturbed, even on heavy oil. Again like everyone says, it depends what you want it for, conditions, type of reaction. If you want more aggressive than what you have now, I say try the two balls I just mentioned, or the Arson Low Flare, or the Track 503t. If you want something a little less aggressive, go with the Misfit Pearl.

[RoccoRock]

My bad on the Arson Low Flare, it's not more aggressive than the Misfit, it's about the same. The regular Arson is more aggressive.

[billf]

Two quick things. Zothen, if the OP is a typical high rev player, where would he use any of the heavy oil balls you suggested?

Rocco, I've seen two handers who had very low revs. It was rare and very funny!

[TweakX4]

thanks for the input on my limited info. but i would say that i'm high rev and fairly slower (about 14-15 mph at the pins) on drier lanes i can go from gutter to gutter missing the pins all together with the misfit. in that case i switch to my zombie spare and can bring it into the pocket from between the 3rd and 4th arrow. but, on the lanes at my school, which i'm assuming are just super oily i have a hard time bringing the misfit back from the 3rd arrow.
i also want to add that i'm new to bowling, just took it up mid january so i'm not super sure on a whole lot.

[RoccoRock]

Rocco, I've seen two handers who had very low revs. It was rare and very funny!

Yeah so have I. The other two hander in my league has low revs. In fact his rev rate two handed is no higher than it was one handed. I just assume high revs from a two hander, probably shouldn't make that assumption.

[Tampabaybob]

If you're bowling at a college, you may just be bowling on a sport shot most of the time. Check with the manager there and ask what kind of oil pattern they use and if they change it and when. This will give you a heads up as far as which balls you'll normally need to shoot at those lanes. If you go to other houses though you might be shooting on a THS (typical house shot) and then those aggressive balls (with your high rev rate) may come back to bite you. if you start bowling in a league at your school and don't venture out to other houses, then you may be able to get away with the more aggressive equipment.
See if there's a coach at the lanes and ask them for some advice. Most coaches are more than happy to help out new bowlers.
Good luck and let us know if we can help.

[Zothen]

Billf I was thinking for long oil patterns,Sport leagues,Nationals. Also I bowl with some high rev/speed(20mph+)bowlers and I have seen them use Defiant and Lucid and they don't seem to have a problem,though they use 1 hand with and without thumb depending whos bowling.

Zothen

[billf]

High rev with high speed (rev/speed match) then heavy oil balls work well. However, it seems the OP is very rev dominant based on the info (which was missing earlier). Also needed to properly suggest a ball is axis tilt and axis rotation. Also, we still don't know what the lane conditions truly are.
Most two handers have high revs with 90° axis rotation. Therefore the bigger the variance in revs and speed given that rotation will dictate how harsh the ball will react.
Speed dominant players or players with low axis rotation can get away with using stronger balls without buring up the energy without covering many boards.
There are pros and cons to every style. Maximizing your pros and minimizing your cons are the key.
Don't get me wrong; I love hooking from over the gutter to the other gutter. It looks awesome. But when money is on the line, my left foot doesn't go across the 20 board.

Maybe the OP can learn to adjust his axis rotation to match the lane conditions better.

[Tampabaybob]

Tweak, first of all welcome to the boards. Hopefully we can give you some very useful information that will help you improve your game. Now as to your question, because you are a high rev, lower speed shooter, you need a pearl cover ball with a lower RG. I will refer you to an article in Bowling this Month by Rob Mautner . Here's a part of that article that refers to your question:

"First, the bowler’s arsenal has to take into con- sideration all of the individual factors involved in matching up.
High speed bowlers who are speed domi- nant will need balls with lower RGs and more surface to overcome their speed dominance. I would not expect a high speed, speed domi- nant bowler to have a high RG, polished ball in his bag. It would only waste a space that could be used for something he might use.
Conversely, a speed dominant bowler with a lower ball speed would also need balls with more surface, but higher RGs. Rev dominant players with lower ball speeds would need to have balls with higher RGs and less surface to overcome their rev dominance.
Balanced players would be in the middle ranges of RGs and surfaces, with their overall ball speed determining whether their arsenal tends toward higher RGs (slower speeds) or lower RGs (higher speeds). The balanced player, regardless of ball speed, should have an arsenal that encompasses the widest ranges of RGs and surfaces."

As you can see you fall into the category of "REV DOMINATE/SLOWER SPEED" so the lower RG balls are what would probably work well for you. A pearl ball will allow the ball to skid further down the lane, store more energy and finish hard on the back end. A few that could work, would be Roto Grip Shatter, or the new Motive VenomStrike, Hammer Arson Hybrid, Columbia Mass Eruption, or the Storm IQ Tour Pearl. Good luck and let us know what you decide to do. Any questions just let us know.

[J Anderson]

Tweak, first of all welcome to the boards. Hopefully we can give you some very useful information that will help you improve your game. Now as to your question, because you are a high rev, lower speed shooter, you need a pearl cover ball with a lower RG. I will refer you to an article in Bowling this Month by Rob Mautner . Here's a part of that article that refers to your question:

"First, the bowler’s arsenal has to take into con- sideration all of the individual factors involved in matching up.
High speed bowlers who are speed domi- nant will need balls with lower RGs and more surface to overcome their speed dominance. I would not expect a high speed, speed domi- nant bowler to have a high RG, polished ball in his bag. It would only waste a space that could be used for something he might use.
Conversely, a speed dominant bowler with a lower ball speed would also need balls with more surface, but higher RGs. Rev dominant players with lower ball speeds would need to have balls with higher RGs and less surface to overcome their rev dominance.
Balanced players would be in the middle ranges of RGs and surfaces, with their overall ball speed determining whether their arsenal tends toward higher RGs (slower speeds) or lower RGs (higher speeds). The balanced player, regardless of ball speed, should have an arsenal that encompasses the widest ranges of RGs and surfaces."

As you can see you fall into the category of "REV DOMINATE/SLOWER SPEED" so the lower RG balls are what would probably work well for you. A pearl ball will allow the ball to skid further down the lane, store more energy and finish hard on the back end. A few that could work, would be Roto Grip Shatter, or the new Motive VenomStrike, Hammer Arson Hybrid, Columbia Mass Eruption, or the Storm IQ Tour Pearl. Good luck and let us know what you decide to do. Any questions just let us know.

Aren't you saying the exact opposite of the article you're quoting?

"Rev dominant players with lower ball speeds would need to have balls with higher RGs and less surface to overcome their rev dominance." Mautner

"As you can see you fall into the category of "REV DOMINATE/SLOWER SPEED" so the lower RG balls are what would probably work well for you." Tampabaybob

[Tampabaybob]

John, you're right, I had it twisted around.....he should have higher Rg ball's being rev dominate with the slower speed. Thanks for picking up that "aw s__t" !! gotta stop doing this at night !