What's the USBC rule for this if there is one?

[sprocket]

Monday is championship night. We are in the championship match. We have seven guys on our team. It's a five man league. The question is, CAN WE ALL BOWL WARMUPS? My back is sore and I don't know how it's going to be on Monday. Last Monday I bowled terrible. My team captain wants me to bowl. I think at least six of us should warm up and then we decide the lineup. Is that legal?

[J Anderson]

I doubt if there is any thing in the rules about warmups. There probably is a rule specifying that any subs in the championship must have some minimum number of games bowled.

The last month or two of the first season that I bowled and for all of the second, we had 6 men on the roster for a five man team. Most weeks we would all show up and the low man would sit out. All of us would get a chance to warmup. I forget how we determined who sat the first game but if they were had the low score the second game, the bowler with the second lowest score would sit out the last game. That way everyone got to bowl at least 2 games.

[bowl1820]

Monday is championship night. We are in the championship match. We have seven guys on our team. It's a five man league. The question is, CAN WE ALL BOWL WARMUPS? My back is sore and I don't know how it's going to be on Monday. Last Monday I bowled terrible. My team captain wants me to bowl. I think at least six of us should warm up and then we decide the lineup. Is that legal?

There are no USBC rules regarding warm up (Competition hasn't started at point), so unless the league just happened to have a rule against it. I'd say you could do it, then set the line up you want to bowl.

Given if your just worried about how you'll do, I'd say just get there early. Bowl a practice game, see how your back is and go from there. Either bowl or tell them you'll sit it out.

If you do bowl and you find you can't continue after the first game. the captain can replace you at the beginning of the next game.

[sprocket]

I talked to my captain and six of us will warm-up. We may change the line-up after the first game too. Thanks for the help!

[Tampabaybob]

The biggest question here is "What is the league rule, if any?" Some leagues have strange rules about using subs during rolloffs, yet some don't have any. Theoritically, USBC allows bowlers to start a game and change if due to an injury during the middle of a game. So you could start, throw a few frames and be replaced by one of your subs, if need be.

Years ago, I bowled on a traveling league for a bowling center. We always traveled with 6 guys, and the team captain, would pull a guy out by the 3rd frame and put in our sixth man, for the rest of the nite. Pissed off a lot of guys, but we won a lot of matches.

[bowl1820]

The biggest question here is "What is the league rule, if any?" Some leagues have strange rules about using subs during rolloffs, yet some don't have any. Theoritically, USBC allows bowlers to start a game and change if due to an injury during the middle of a game. So you could start, throw a few frames and be replaced by one of your subs, if need be.

Years ago, I bowled on a traveling league for a bowling center. We always traveled with 6 guys, and the team captain, would pull a guy out by the 3rd frame and put in our sixth man, for the rest of the nite. Pissed off a lot of guys, but we won a lot of matches.

I think they would be pissed!

That's a USBC rule violation (unless there was a league that allowed it in the middle of the game.) USBC Rule 106b, Item 1, states that once a game has started, no changes to the order can be made after the start of a game.

[billf]

But they didn't change the order, just faked an injury to get a substitution. Not very ethical by any means.

[bowl1820]

But they didn't change the order, just faked an injury to get a substitution. Not very ethical by any means.

Okay after looking at the rules again, it appears yes you can sub. part way through a game.
107c. Substitutes and/or Replacements
10. Unless otherwise provided by league rules:
b. A captain may replace any player at any time during a game with another eligible player.
c. When substitutes are made during a game, the score counts only for team score.

But if it's a handicap league I would wonder if it was done properly.

NOTE: When a substitution is made during a game in a handicap league, each player receives 1/10
of his/her single-game handicap for each frame bowled. For example, an original player with
a single-game handicap of 19 pins completes six frames and a substitute with a single-game
handicap of 22 pins completes the remaining four frames:
Original player 1/10 of 19 = 1.9 pins x 6 frames = 11.4 or 11 pins. Substitute player 1/10 of
22 = 2.2 pins x 4 frames = 8.8 pins or 8 pins. The fraction is dropped from each individual’s
handicap, not from each frame.
In leagues using the team method of handicapping, the same procedure is used. Determine
the team handicap with the original player and with the substitute in the

[ghetto24]

this is EXACTLY what im talking about with my thread with taking league waaaay too serious. 6-7 guys throw in warm-up just in case? this isn't a bullpen, its LEAGUE BOWLING!!! and change the line-up? really? lmfao!!! so much to say in regards to this but it is better that I just bite my tongue...

[sprocket]

Well, we didn't win. We lost the first game by less than 10 pins and won the third game by about 50 but they beat us handily the second game. One of their guys had 280. I so badly need a new ball. The ball I was using is about 9 yrs old. I beat the crap out of the pocket but just didn't have the carry. I had 624 and I left a 4-9 the third game in the tenth on a strike.

[bowl1820]

this is EXACTLY what im talking about with my thread with taking league waaaay too serious. 6-7 guys throw in warm-up just in case? this isn't a bullpen, its LEAGUE BOWLING!!! and change the line-up? really? lmfao!!! so much to say in regards to this but it is better that I just bite my tongue...

So just because it's "League Bowling" it's not to be taken seriously?

So when should you take it seriously? only at tournaments? in the PBA? Where do you draw the line?

League is organized competition, while you should have fun at. The point of it is to try and win.

In other team sports, all players warm up, they set line ups of who will do the best . Why shouldn't bowling be the same.

In this instance here he's taking about a championship game. One of the most serious nights in the season.

Remember not all leagues are "drink beer, eat pizza and bowl when you feel like it" leagues. Some leagues/bowlers like to think of bowling as a real sport and want to treat it like one.

You think this is serious, there was a time when league teams had tryouts to see if you were good enough to bowl with them.

[ghetto24]

at the end of the year with league bowling what do you get? are you making hundreds of thousands of dollars to bowl league? if you win your league do you get to go to some nation league bowlers tournament to bowl for a chance for a million dollars? no. NONE of that. anybody that takes league that serious, to me, is just trying to be in a dick measuring contest. I mean, unless you think bragging rights are prestigious?

[billf]

The difference between first and second for us is $50 each. That is enough for me to try a little harder.
Just imagine how I was with a quck $500 tournament or the $2,500 tournament.

[ghetto24]

that is unfortunately not the case at my house. I honestly think it is like $20

[ghetto24]

500 and 2500 are a HUGE difference from league.

[Gunz1911]

It sounds like you have more issues with your leagues than bowling in general. Just because you don't make a lot of money, or get famous does not mean it’s not a sport. It's a sport if you treat it like one and act accordingly. I play soft ball on a team, to me that's a sport. I do not get paid for it, I do not get sponsors or anything. It's all about perception

Don't want to sound like a dick but just because you don't want to treat it like a sport, doesn't mean the rest of us shouldn't. Kind of coming across like it’s our fault we want to try and like our accomplishments. Go play Hello-kitty if you don't like players taking their game serious.

From other posts, seems like you have a few players that have lower scores, but still like to brag. From everything I have read, kind of just sounds like the name of the game for handicap leagues. Though a different league might suit you more.


At my house, they are trying to get enough for a summer sports league. First place will be around 1200 for the team. Doubt I will be able to make the nights for it, but would be sweet to cash out in.

[ghetto24]

when have i ever said bowling isnt a sport? i guess you would have to bowl up here to better understand?

[billf]

Maybe the issue is perception of the definition. What exactly do you mean by "taking league too seriously"? I know it sounds self-explainatory but is really subjective. Do you bowl and try your best? To me, that's serious. Are you talking about the self-absorbed bowlers who won't even talk to teammates during competition? The jerks who throw things, yell obscenities, etc. when they roll a bad shot?

[ghetto24]

Maybe the issue is perception of the definition. What exactly do you mean by "taking league too seriously"? I know it sounds self-explainatory but is really subjective. Do you bowl and try your best? To me, that's serious. Are you talking about the self-absorbed bowlers who won't even talk to teammates during competition? The jerks who throw things, yell obscenities, etc. when they roll a bad shot?

I apologize for not being more clear. you are correct, I just assumed people knew what I meant. but the part in bold in your post is what I was referring to. thank you!

[sprocket]

Just so the reason for my original post doesn't get lost:
I made it extremely clear what the issue was. My team captain had me scheduled to bowl but there was a possible issue with my back. It therefore made sense for other team members to warm up as well in case my back was still an issue. This made sense to me as long as there is no USBC rule against it. Since there was not, six of us started taking warmups, but after the first two balls I knew my back was OK.

I actually have no idea how the money breaks down. I think it is strictly by the total number of points won in the season. I don't think there is necessarily any financial benefit to being league champions, but I could be wrong.

[billf]

I apologize for not being more clear. you are correct, I just assumed people knew what I meant. but the part in bold in your post is what I was referring to. thank you!

So I was on the right track. After re-reading the posts it seemed to me that the people here who are serious about improving, were taking the remark personally and not as really intended. It just didn't make sense to me that you average over 200 but wouldn't be trying your personal best. You obvious try your best BUT don't let it consume you, especially the bad shots/nights. That, in my opinion, is how we should be.

Derrick and I have been teammates since we started bowling 7 years ago. Tonight during league we were talking about how as we've improved our bowling, our attitudes have also improved. We've learned how to blow off the bad shots, only be serious those few seconds from the set to the release and enjoy the whole sport more than ever.

[ghetto24]

So I was on the right track. After re-reading the posts it seemed to me that the people here who are serious about improving, were taking the remark personally and not as really intended. It just didn't make sense to me that you average over 200 but wouldn't be trying your personal best. You obvious try your best BUT don't let it consume you, especially the bad shots/nights. That, in my opinion, is how we should be.

Derrick and I have been teammates since we started bowling 7 years ago. Tonight during league we were talking about how as we've improved our bowling, our attitudes have also improved. We've learned how to blow off the bad shots, only be serious those few seconds from the set to the release and enjoy the whole sport more than ever.

I remember in my younger years I used to be those guys. I look back at it now and laugh.

[Tampabaybob]

at the end of the year with league bowling what do you get? are you making hundreds of thousands of dollars to bowl league? if you win your league do you get to go to some nation league bowlers tournament to bowl for a chance for a million dollars? no. NONE of that. anybody that takes league that serious, to me, is just trying to be in a dick measuring contest. I mean, unless you think bragging rights are prestigious?

In my league, the prize fund is just under $60,000.00. Yeah that's three zero's. If you want to bowl to make money this is the type of league you bowl in. If you want to bowl for "funnzies" then go bowl in a mixed league. If you're not a serious bowler, that's fine, but most teams in my league would pass on you.