THE " Bill Hall Tri-Grip?

[MICHAEL]

The shop where I have my balls drilled mention that they will soon be having available (The Bill Hall Tri-grip system)?? ITs going to cost more, but what I understand its a method of drilling??? Getting ready to google the system????

[MICHAEL]

How can you sale a drilling pattern??? I don't get it?? Did Bill get a patent on a CERTAIN way to drill a FRICKEN ball! The pro shop's are going to charge more for this new improved method of drilling positions?? And its going to cost us more to boot!! Wow!!

[e-tank]

i saw a thread on this on bbe and i did i bit of researching and it seems like the thumb is moved so that its more aligned with your pointer finger for a easier, more comfortable grip. Similar to how youd throw a football

[swingset]

Seems like a solution to a problem that doesn't exist....but there's always a better mouse trap.

[MICHAEL]

Hummm, I just know the Pro shop I go too ( BP pro shop Strike/spare here in Kansas city,) has a great staff. Bruce the owner used to drill for some of the Big Name Pro's, and was a Pro bower himself for a period of time. They said that they will be able to do that drilling in a few weeks??? I guess waiting for all the information, that they purchased.
Wow,,, can it be that top secret??? It might be interesting to investigate it a little further, and WAIT TO HAVE my new ball drilled with that method!

[Stormed1]

Part of the cost is the instructional video is $200.00 Reading some posts on another board laying the ball out is a lot more complicated. It appears that besides the offset thumb the finger pitches are base off your CLT (center line transition ) line and the thumb pitches are based off your natural thumb pivot line. Not really difficult,just time consuming

[MICHAEL]

Part of the cost is the instructional video is $200.00 Reading some posts on another board laying the ball out is a lot more complicated. It appears that besides the offset thumb the finger pitches are base off your CLT (center line transition ) line and the thumb pitches are based off your natural thumb pivot line. Not really difficult,just time consuming

Thanks for your insight!! So you only have a cost of 200.00, hummmm! As a pro shop owner, does that justify charging more for drilling, even if it takes a little longer to drill?? OR the fact that you only invested 200.00 for the know how, It could bring you a heck of a lot more customers, if indeed it does what it says it does!
What I am getting at is, would you charge more for this drilling knowledge?? Or with all the hype, look at it as knowledge, just another way to drill a ball, that could bring in many more customers.
Not only people come to YOU because you have that knowledge, and buy their new balls from YOU, but people bring in their older balls, having them plugged and redrilled with the new layout.

We are not talking cost in material here, just knowledge? With that investment, a driller can get that 200 back in no time, due to higher volume, of customers!
What are you thoughts storm1?? And thanks for the reply!

I don't know what BP Pro shop will charge for that (new drilling technique), but what would you charge for that investment of 200.00!?

I was told last night that it will be a week, to a couple weeks before they will be able to drill using this layout! They want to work out all the details first!

It has my interest..

[Stormed1]

In my opinion the cost of program is just a part of doing business. The only thing that I might "do" is you may not be able to wait for your ball due to the time involved. My drilling charge is the same with or without slug and grips. The only extra is an IT

[MICHAEL]

In my opinion the cost of program is just a part of doing business. The only thing that I might "do" is you may not be able to wait for your ball due to the time involved. My drilling charge is the same with or without slug and grips. The only extra is an IT

You know that's my thoughts on the subject also. It will be interesting to see what BP charges for this system of bowling! Are you going to purchase the information? Seems to me for the 200.00 it should be something's that brings in bowlers that might have gone somewhere else to have their balls laid out?

[MICHAEL]

What do you charge, if you don't mind me asking for standard finger tip, finger inserts, and vise system?

[MICHAEL]

Bruce BP Pro shop, has very fair prices if not much better then most around the Kansas City area! I do know Bruce and James, maybe even Jame's dad, ( who just started drilling balls after finally graduating from drilling school), will continue to do a great job laying out, and drilling balls, as I said, maybe even Jame's dad!! (:) I'm sure he will have a very fair, price, if any at all for the drilling! Like you said, if it a GOOD SYSTEM, it will bring more customers, and thus pay for itself in spades!!

But then what do I know!! I am just a burnt out run down old Iron Worker, that happens to be a Super Hero, who loves to bowl!!

[Stormed1]

Basic charge is $40.00 If you're an existing IT user it's $10.00 additional (no slug). additional slugs are $20.00 each

[edpup316]

Basic charge is $40.00 If you're an existing IT user it's $10.00 additional (no slug). additional slugs are $20.00 each

Holy frickin smokes that's expensive!

[Stormed1]

most shops around here are 60.00 plus slug,grips or switch grip

[MICHAEL]

I am defiantly going to give this style of GRIP a try when BP Pro Shop gets all the info on how to lay a ball out! I WILL GET BACK with all of you and give you my thoughts!!

[MICHAEL]

Has anyone on this website ever had this system on any of their balls????

I am very curious!!! If so, your thoughts...

[MICHAEL]

OK,,, The Frantic that is a NEW BALL, but drilled wrong, with the balance hole in a position that was not correct due to a defective scale! Has been plugged, and redrilled with the Tri-Grip system!
I went to BP Pro Shop 3 days ago, and had my hand measured for this unique combination of thumb offset, and pitches!! I will report back as soon as I have a chance to bowl with it on good oil. My next league is Sunday, but I think I just might pick it up tomorrow, and see how it feels! Two bowlers I have talked to BOTH SAID, without a doubt, it was GREAT! One, a bowler that works at BP pro shop said he is carrying a 250 average, since he had it drilled,,, hummmmmm
this guy is a story teller, but I did see that infact he had a 300, and 800 plus recently posted.

Can it Help ICEMAN,,,,, A Strong, but Old, burnt out Iron Worker!!!????

The whole thing cost me: $72.00, but then I cleaned the floors, and work some of the labor out in the shop! Plugs, Vise system, drilling the Tri-Grip! Four holes had to be plugged including the balance hole. He said it would normally be somewhat higher in cost, but because I Help those in Need, he want to do something for Iceman!! Thanks Bruce!!

[MICHAEL]

Took it in almost a week ago,, last Tuesday, was suppose to get it for league that Thursday, and ICEMAN was looking forward to doing some S E R I O U S damage that night!! NO BALL?? Air went out at shop, and Bruce said it didn't set up right!, Said I would have it Friday afternoon,,,, NO BALL? Called James and he said it will be ready and his dad, who drills for Bruce now, will have it at the Lanes form my Sunday night league.

Would have been nice to have had it this weekend, but that's the way the ball roles!!! Will give you all a report on the TRI GRIP system, and let you know if in MY Opinion its Hype, ore the REAL DEAL!

[e-tank]

Im looking forward to your review! Idk if my proshop does the tri grip but ill look into it

[MICHAEL]

Wow, what a feeling a bowling ball can have in your hand! Got it late after league started, but threw 8 strikes in a role, an open, split,,, (missed my damn mark) then 4 more! It works better in many ways for me, including more revolutions and in a better direction!! Several commented the the ball looks great, (NOW WITH THE NEW) system!

I gave my beatdown to the driller, and told him to put the same system on it! DANG,,,, I just had it drilled conventional way two weeks ago, but this system not only puts more rev's on the ball, but the direction is better also, due to how it leave your fingers!! It's also suppose to make a ball feel lighter due to better balance in the hand! I notice that the 15lb frantic felt lighter myself, so it will be interesting to see how the 16lb beatdown feels with this system! I will bowl with the Frantic tomorrow with my son's, and it will be used the full 3 games, so I can give an even better report! So far, for this X Ironworker, I am impressed! And I am not impressed easy! Would I pay double to have my Beatdown redrilled if it didn't bowl my socks off!! Hell no!! later,,, ICEMAN

[vdubtx]

Sounds good ICEMAN. Impressed enough to have your new Beatdown plugged and re-drilled huh? I may have to give this a try sometime soon. My wrist is starting to affect me and I could use a little relief on it but still bowl. :cool:

[MICHAEL]

Sounds good ICEMAN. Impressed enough to have your new Beatdown plugged and re-drilled huh? I may have to give this a try sometime soon. My wrist is starting to affect me and I could use a little relief on it but still bowl. :cool:

I had people coming up to me and making comments, like:

Nice ball, looks for sure you are getting a great angle into the pocket, with your ball spinning differently, giving you even more pin action!
It was the talk of the league last night! I must say it took a while to make adjustments, since it was soooooo different then how the ball left my
hand! Also also maybe 33 percent more rev's. If you have weak wrist, it will distribute the weight of the ball much more evenly in your hand, thus
relieving some of the stress!

All I can say was I am impressed, Bruce also moved the pin from above and right of pinkie, to center and above, which I am sure helped with the more
controlled angle into the pocket, instead of a radical snap! Sure paid off in XXXXXXXXXXX lol!

I am beginning to find out that drilling may be even more important then the ball itself!!! The ball is like clay to a sculpture, it can be many things, but when
formed a CEERTAIN way, it can be beautiful! My Frantic now is BEAUTIFUL, and has been crafted by a master craftman, Bruce, of BP Pro Shop here in Independence Mo!! Thanks Bruce!! You are the Man!!

[Aslan]

Hmm. Perhaps I'll request the Bill Hall Tri-Grip on my next ball. Not sure if it's worth $70 to do it...but if it's in the $50ish range...I'd definitely consider it.

[MICHAEL]

Hmm. Perhaps I'll request the Bill Hall Tri-Grip on my next ball. Not sure if it's worth $70 to do it...but if it's in the $50ish range...I'd definitely consider it.

Remember, I had a ball PLUGED, and the Vise system, plus finger inserts.... Not all shops have the system, they have to purchase it from Bill Hall, who has a patent on the system. the drilling here on a new ball, is just 40.00 with the Bill Hall Tri Grip! If you purchase the ball HERE, from Bruce, their is free basic drilling, but 10.00 more for the system!

So lets say you purchase a new Hy-Road, all you would pay is the price of the new ball say 150.00, and 10.00 bucks added for the extra time
it takes to layout and measurements!

[e-tank]

Hey iceman i know theres more to it but what i was interested in was the thumb position. Correct me if im wrong but the thumb in moved more towards the index finger?

[MICHAEL]

The ball had the pin above and to the right of the pinkie finger, It was way to sharp of a snap!,,, Now I moves into the pocket much better, with lots of energy!
The blue arrow is not a hole, but a plugged balance hole, the ball does not need one with this layout! I will have my beatdown 16lber ready for Thursday league, and can't wait to see how it feels... so far I would have to say I Like the change in grip very much!

http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg546/imagine686868/f2db6b3c-e449-464d-8e43-7539f67964f5_zps7c4aa24e.jpg (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/imagine686868/media/f2db6b3c-e449-464d-8e43-7539f67964f5_zps7c4aa24e.jpg.html)

[Hampe]

Seems pretty interesting. For some reason I doubt it is already available here :D

[MICHAEL]

Its not just the position of the finger holes, its pitches also! I wish I could put into words, the feel of the ball coming off the hand,,, better lift and control!

[MICHAEL]

Re: Bill Hall Tri-Grip fitting system

« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2013, 11:22:25 PM »



I can assure you that the Tri-Grip is not "merely" a CLT but is far from it. Many have tried to copy the Tri-Grip with the CLT method and have not been successful. Unless you understand the linear lines of the tendons of the hand that is based off of kinesiology that is explained in the video then no you cannot copy it.
If you have your specs and go to another shop then yes that other shop can copy it if they know the technique.
There has been many players that have compared the Tri-Grip with the CLT method and have found that the balance and feel of the grip is completely different from each other. If you want to do your own comparison then I completely encourage it by finding a shop near you that has the Tri-Grip method.

[Bunny]

Idk if my proshop does the tri grip but ill look into it.

It looks like there's only a handful of drillers doing the tri-grip in Cali. One is Fred Curtis at Leo's Pro Shop in El Centro. Isn't that down your way? The rest are up in Nor Cal. :(

You'll have to maybe go talk to Fred and report back. :)

I am very interested in techniques or improvemnts based on anatomy/physiology/kinseology (Science.) The tri-grip sounds like it's just that!

[Bunny]

After reading a little more about the Tri-Grip system. It may be something for my husband to look into. Apparently the Tri-Grip is good for people with arthritis, etc. My husband has gout and he has issues with hand pain after bowling sometimes, especially after two days in a row. :(

I would gladly drive him down to El Centro and have his balled drilled with the Tri-Grip if it helps reduce or elimante his pain.

[Mike White]

After reading a little more about the Tri-Grip system. It may be something for my husband to look into. Apparently the Tri-Grip is good for people with arthritis, etc. My husband has gout and he has issues with hand pain after bowling sometimes, especially after two days in a row. :(

I would gladly drive him down to El Centro and have his balled drilled with the Tri-Grip if it helps reduce or elimante his pain.

I just ordered the Video so it will be a while before it arrives and I've viewed it.

If it helps, my shop is in Riverside.

Mike White
All Ten Pro Shop
7100 Arlington Ave
Riverside Ca
92503
951-351-8300

[Bunny]

I just ordered the Video so it will be a while before it arrives and I've viewed it.

If it helps, my shop is in Riverside.

Mike White
All Ten Pro Shop
7100 Arlington Ave
Riverside Ca
92503
951-351-8300


That would be fantastic! Thank You!! :D

It's a heck of a lot better than driving down to the Border basically!

I'll check back with you at your shop #. About how long are you thinking?

[Perrin]

Looks like the closest to my area is 2-3 hours. :(

[Aslan]

That would be fantastic! Thank You!! :D

It's a heck of a lot better than driving down to the Border basically!

I'll check back with you at your shop #. About how long are you thinking?

Add me to the list as well. I'm in Yorba Linda and would come over to Riverside to have it done...just gotta figure out how much ($$$). I have a new ball ready to be drilled. I'm younger and don't have the pain issues or arthritis or gout...BUT...my semi-retired spare ball is drilled with the pinky finger hole and I've always liked that extra stability. I didn't have the 4th hole drilled when I recently switched from conventional to finger-tip...but I would like to go back to it...I just like the stability/feel of it. I definitely like the finger-tip grip over conventional...just miss the pinky hole. And...I guess my middle finger does hurt after bowling...so even though I'm young (relatively) and can "hack" it...I would like to reduce it as much as possible.

So pretty good deal, already have two customers!!

[MICHAEL]

LOL,,,, I hope this helps all of you with your game! If you live in the Kansas city area, I would highly recommend you go to BP Pro Shop and and get a discount by simply saying MICHAEL sent you! Bruce knows his Stuff, having been a pro bowler, and then drilling for many of the Pro's!! He is VERY REASONABLE!

This grip is a GAME CHANGER!!! BELIEVE ME,,,, ICEMAN

[e-tank]

It looks like there's only a handful of drillers doing the tri-grip in Cali. One is Fred Curtis at Leo's Pro Shop in El Centro. Isn't that down your way? The rest are up in Nor Cal. :(

You'll have to maybe go talk to Fred and report back. :)

I am very interested in techniques or improvemnts based on anatomy/physiology/kinseology (Science.) The tri-grip sounds like it's just that!

im sure my pro shop guy would be interested in learning if i brought it up to him. No way im going to el centro lol

[Aslan]

This grip is a GAME CHANGER!!! BELIEVE ME,,,, ICEMAN

It better be. Or I'm comin lookin for ya. :mad: ;)

[MICHAEL]

It better be. Or I'm comin lookin for ya. :mad: ;)

Many have come looking for ICEMAN,,, All regretted the experience once they found me!! :cool: It will even help you, I am sure, maybe!! When are you going to post yourself bowling so that we can analyze if it would help! It might be a waste of money, then again with a video of you bowling, I could show it to Bruce, an X bowling Pro, and pro shop owner, who gives lessons ect... and happens to be the guy that drilled my Tri-Grip!

You may be beyond help, (know what I mean??), but then how would I know without that ACTION video!

[Aslan]

When are you going to post yourself bowling so that we can analyze if it would help! It might be a waste of money, then again with a video of you bowling, I could show it to Bruce, an X bowling Pro, and pro shop owner, who gives lessons ect... and happens to be the guy that drilled my Tri-Grip!

You may be beyond help, (know what I mean??), but then how would I know without that ACTION video!

You do realize I already posted multiple videos (http://www.bowlingboards.com/threads/15108-Aslan-s-Displays-of-Embarrassment/page3) of me bowling AND you actually commented in the thread right?

[Bunny]

im sure my pro shop guy would be interested in learning if i brought it up to him. No way im going to el centro lol

I know, right. The area does look a little rough.

[MICHAEL]

BP'S Pro Shops


James Graham shot his second 300 last night using the Bill Hall Tri Grip. Iceman is on his team, we won all 4, and James first game was a perfect 300 with the Bill Hall Tri-Grip! It was PERFECT, every shot in the pocket!! GREAT JOB JAMES!! I hope to have another one soon, or maybe that coveted 800!! I might be picking up that 16lb Beatdown, that Bruce plugged, and converted to the Tri-Grip!

[Zaxmazr]

Very interesting, I have never seen a grip like this before.
Let alone even think about one.

[MICHAEL]

Very interesting, I have never seen a grip like this before.
Let alone even think about one.

I guy I bowl with on Monday, James, who drills balls for BP Pro Shop, drilled his ball using the Tri-Grip, and has bowled two 300 in the last couple weeks! I think it will become the standard soon!!

[Zaxmazr]

I guy I bowl with on Monday, James, who drills balls for BP Pro Shop, drilled his ball using the Tri-Grip, and has bowled two 300 in the last couple weeks! I think it will become the standard soon!!

I wouldn't say standard lol.
I really want to try this, but I don't to drill a ball like that to 'try'

[Terrier]

Re: Bill Hall Tri-Grip fitting system

« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2013, 11:22:25 PM »



I can assure you that the Tri-Grip is not "merely" a CLT but is far from it. Many have tried to copy the Tri-Grip with the CLT method and have not been successful. Unless you understand the linear lines of the tendons of the hand that is based off of kinesiology that is explained in the video then no you cannot copy it.

If you have your specs and go to another shop then yes that other shop can copy it if they know the technique.
There has been many players that have compared the Tri-Grip with the CLT method and have found that the balance and feel of the grip is completely different from each other. If you want to do your own comparison then I completely encourage it by finding a shop near you that has the Tri-Grip method.The way Mr. Hall said it, you'd almost believe that the video comes with a wacky drill bit. Anything noticeably different about finger pitches or the angles of the inserts compared to the old drilling?

[bowl1820]

Re: Bill Hall Tri-Grip fitting system

« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2013, 11:22:25 PM »



I can assure you that the Tri-Grip is not "merely" a CLT but is far from it. Many have tried to copy the Tri-Grip with the CLT method and have not been successful. Unless you understand the linear lines of the tendons of the hand that is based off of kinesiology that is explained in the video then no you cannot copy it.

If you have your specs and go to another shop then yes that other shop can copy it if they know the technique.
There has been many players that have compared the Tri-Grip with the CLT method and have found that the balance and feel of the grip is completely different from each other. If you want to do your own comparison then I completely encourage it by finding a shop near you that has the Tri-Grip method.



The way Mr. Hall said it, you'd almost believe that the video comes with a wacky drill bit. Anything noticeably different about finger pitches or the angles of the inserts compared to the old drilling?

As far as copying the grip.

If you just have a spec sheet of your grip,they might not be able drill it. if it uses a different system of writing down the spec's (where everything is measured from) than what is normally used. Then they might have to know the system to do it.

But If you walk in a shop with a drilled ball that had been fitted using the Tri-grip system, they can copy the grip off the ball.

Anything that can be drilled, can be copied.It's just spherical geometry co-ordinate's.

[MICHAEL]

As far as copying the grip.

If you just have a spec sheet of your grip,they might not be able drill it. if it uses a different system of writing down the spec's (where everything is measured from) than what is normally used. Then they might have to know the system to do it.

But If you walk in a shop with a drilled ball that had been fitted using the Tri-grip system, they can copy the grip off the ball.

Anything that can be drilled, can be copied.It's just spherical geometry co-ordinate's.

You are absolutely correct!!! BUT, its his method of measurements as to the correct position and pitch of ball that makes it unique. So Once you have been
fitted by this method, yes,,,,,, another pro shop driller could copy it I am sure. But then I have not ordered the tape, and technique! I just know its given James and myself a huge different ball delivery! More accuracy, greater revs, and (better direction of rev's). I've been told this by several frineds that say they can see the difference in spinning direction into the pocket.

[got_a_300]

MICHAEL, when you say better direction of rev's how has the
direction of your rev's changed?

Do you get more side rev's or more forward rev's on the ball
now or what has changed?

[bowl1820]

MICHAEL, when you say better direction of rev's how has the
direction of your rev's changed?

Do you get more side rev's or more forward rev's on the ball
now or what has changed?

I'm going to guess "direction of rev's" is referring to the angle of rotation and/or tilt of the axis.

[MICHAEL]

MICHAEL, when you say better direction of rev's how has the
direction of your rev's changed?

Do you get more side rev's or more forward rev's on the ball
now or what has changed?

first off remember he moved the pin from original position to where its now at in the picture! That took the let turn out, which is what I was looking for! I like the angle it enters the pocket MUCH BETTER now, and very few 10 pins now.

He also said the following in a facebook communication I have copied: Bruce Postel



I'm glad you liked it! I did change the pin position and all that's why it rolls much smoother to the pocket plus still holds its energy. When I receive the other ball I'll fix it up for you. Thax.

To try in answer your question: Its a combination of both,,,, forward and side,,,, and when it hits the pocket seems to have a lot more drive through the pins.

If you would like more information on this subject, I would highly recommend you call Bruce Postel, and BP Pro Shop! He would be happy, I am sure to answer any and all questions.. he is one sharp cookie in regards to drilling balls! Hey drilled for some of the Big names out there now!! His number is 816 313 6151
bpsproshopsllc@aol.com give Bruce a call!!

[MICHAEL]

James one of the drillers at BP Pro shop here in Kansas city went 22 miles each way to pick up my ball and bring it to me for my third game in league! He got their just before I started the game! So I had it for a full 10 frames! Had a very nice game! 255 ,,,, I like where he placed the pin on this one also! I have found that with my speed now, and revolutions with the new grip, I can't have it up and outside the pinky finger! Its a beautiful angle and explosive gradual hook into the pocket, that shows NONE, NO MERCY to the pins!!

I am very happy with the changes, and expect to have a great fall league with the help of the Tri-Grip, and the excellent drilling of Pro Bruce, at BP Pro SHOP, Strike/Spare independence mo!

Give it a try,,, ICEMAN recommends it!!!

ball feels a pound lighter, more revolutions, and the direction of the revs for me is like the perfect angle into the pocket, and very few 10 pin leaves. I think I had 3 all night!

Remember I was using my other Tri grip Frantic for the first two games!

I will post a picture of the new layout on the BEATDOWN In a few minutes...

[Mike White]

That would be fantastic! Thank You!! :D

It's a heck of a lot better than driving down to the Border basically!

I'll check back with you at your shop #. About how long are you thinking?

I've got the video, watched it, and I don't see any difficulties is executing the measurements/drilling.

I'm going to fit/drill a ball for myself this weekend. I'll let you know if the results are "magic".

It seems to be concentrated on how the ball fits while sitting in your hand.

Personally I would think how the ball exits the hand would be more important.

Maybe I'll make a video of my theory and sell it... I'll call it the Do-Grip... because as Yoda says, Do, or Do Not... there is no Tri.

[Zaxmazr]

Maybe I'll make a video of my theory and sell it...

Make a YouTube video :)

[Mudpuppy]

interesting. I am headed to the pro shop at lunch today. going to ask about this.

[MICHAEL]

All I can say, is it feels GREAT, I hit my target much more often now, better revolutions, and direction of rev's! 255 with this ball last night! I know the debate on 15lb, verses 16, but I swear this 16 with the tri grip seems to hit like a Mac-Truck! I will never go back to conventional drill pattern I had! You can see the difference in the picture, not only hole placements, but pitches!
http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg546/imagine686868/aaabeatdowntrigrip_zps21358467.jpg (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/imagine686868/media/aaabeatdowntrigrip_zps21358467.jpg.html)

[Mudpuppy]

All I can say, is it feels GREAT, I hit my target much more often now, better revolutions, and direction of rev's! 255 with this ball last night! I know the debate on 15lb, verses 16, but I swear this 16 with the tri grip seems to hit like a Mac-Truck! I will never go back to conventional drill pattern I had! You can see the difference in the picture, not only hole placements, but pitches!
http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg546/imagine686868/aaabeatdowntrigrip_zps21358467.jpg (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/imagine686868/media/aaabeatdowntrigrip_zps21358467.jpg.html)

That is right handed correct? So for left the thumb hole would be on the opposite side? Almost like it was initially on your previous drill.

[Bunny]

I've got the video, watched it, and I don't see any difficulties is executing the measurements/drilling.

I'm going to fit/drill a ball for myself this weekend. I'll let you know if the results are "magic".

It seems to be concentrated on how the ball fits while sitting in your hand.

Personally I would think how the ball exits the hand would be more important.

Maybe I'll make a video of my theory and sell it... I'll call it the Do-Grip... because as Yoda says, Do, or Do Not... there is no Tri.


Thanks for following up Mike. I really appreciate it! I look forward to hearing about how it goes.

[Mike White]

All I can say, is it feels GREAT, I hit my target much more often now, better revolutions, and direction of rev's! 255 with this ball last night! I know the debate on 15lb, verses 16, but I swear this 16 with the tri grip seems to hit like a Mac-Truck! I will never go back to conventional drill pattern I had! You can see the difference in the picture, not only hole placements, but pitches!
http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg546/imagine686868/aaabeatdowntrigrip_zps21358467.jpg (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/imagine686868/media/aaabeatdowntrigrip_zps21358467.jpg.html)

Looking at the picture, the patten of where the plugs are is consistent with there the new holes are so there doesn't seem to be a difference there.
Any differences in pitches wouldn't be visible in the photo, so those are most likely different.

Based on the location of the plugging, it appears the layout (ball dynamics) were changed.
Looks like the Val angle was reduced, and the Pin To PAP distance has been increased.

Also the different pitches may have caused your PAP to have changed as well which would completely alter the ball dynamics.

With all those potential changes, it would be hard to show a definite cause and effect due to the Tri-Grip.

[Bunny]

Looking at the picture, the patten of where the plugs are is consistent with there the new holes are so there doesn't seem to be a difference there.
Any differences in pitches wouldn't be visible in the photo, so those are most likely different.

Based on the location of the plugging, it appears the layout (ball dynamics) were changed.
Looks like the Val angle was reduced, and the Pin To PAP distance has been increased.

Also the different pitches may have caused your PAP to have changed as well which would completely alter the ball dynamics.

With all those potential changes, it would be hard to show a definite cause and effect due to the Tri-Grip.


Even if it's other changes in addition to the tri grip that's fine. The driller didn't even watch my husband bowl before he drilled his ball. I'm sure that taking the time to drill his ball for his game would be an improvement. And, in combination with the tri grip maybe help with his hand pain.

:)

[MICHAEL]

Mike, give it a try! Believe me a huge difference!! It has brought Bruce LOTS of business, I can give you the names of people that have had this done on pluged balls,,, and one, ( JAMES ) Has thrown two 300's, and many high games! I bowl with him, last week 290, this week 300! You ordered the vedio, give it a try before you judge! I know I am sold on it! Your a good driller, you know your business in regards to drilling, so does Bruce Postal!! He is one hell of a ball layout man! All I am saying is it has worked for over a dozen friends that have had it done to their balls!!

Good luck with learning the system,,, I know Bruce has two other drillers, who have not yet MASTERED the measuring, and laying out! Bruce, at BP Pro shop, is the only one at this time! James and his Dad that has drilled for many years, are still learning the technique!

[Zaxmazr]

Tried looking up one of his videos, but he's so mono-tone that I couldn't sit through it :(

[MICHAEL]

Tried looking up one of his videos, but he's so mono-tone that I couldn't sit through it :(


YOU GOT THAT RIGHT!!! After listening to him for just 3 minutes, I was ready to seek help! Wow, great drilling idea, BAD presentation! yawwwwwn!!!!! I went through two cups of coffee, in the first minute and a half!!!

But.... what he lacks in charisma, he more then makes up for IMHA, with product!!

[Aslan]

Maybe I'll make a video of my theory and sell it... I'll call it the Do-Grip... because as Yoda says, Do, or Do Not... there is no Tri.

Ooooo...a yoda quote!! Well played sir, well played!!

Hurry up and learn this so I can bring my ball over for drilling!

[Mike White]

Ok, I finally had a chance to drill up a ball for myself using the Tri-Grip system.

I used the recommended lateral pitches, and "textbook" linear pitches.

At first I wasn't thrilled about how the weight felt on my thumb during the bottom of the back swing. (i.e. the end of the 2nd of 5 steps)

When I released the ball, it was much more in a forward roll than normal for me...

Meaning much less axis tilt, and a little less axis rotation.

My PAP moved from 3 3/4 x 3/4up to 4 3/4 x 1 7/8up

At first I had an issue with dropping the ball.

I think that was due to the amount of lateral pitch in the thumb.

I'll need to experiment with pitches to find something I have more confidence in.

[Aslan]

Keep working on it. You got a customer waiting for you to perfect it so I can have my next ball drilled.

[MICHAEL]

Ok, I finally had a chance to drill up a ball for myself using the Tri-Grip system.

I used the recommended lateral pitches, and "textbook" linear pitches.

At first I wasn't thrilled about how the weight felt on my thumb during the bottom of the back swing. (i.e. the end of the 2nd of 5 steps)

When I released the ball, it was much more in a forward roll than normal for me...

Meaning much less axis tilt, and a little less axis rotation.

My PAP moved from 3 3/4 x 3/4up to 4 3/4 x 1 7/8up

At first I had an issue with dropping the ball.

I think that was due to the amount of lateral pitch in the thumb.

I'll need to experiment with pitches to find something I have more confidence in.

Hummmmm,, I have had two drilled with the Tri-Grip, and NO, issue with dropping, or even felling like I going to drop the ball?? HUMmmm
I don't drill balls, but sounds like a finger hole pitch situation! If you have any questions, You could contact BP Pro Shop in Independence Mo. Ask for Bruce, Pro shop owner.. If you like I can give you their phone number?

I had my 725 tonight with one of my other balls, (Nano pearl storm), it has a standard drilling, with the pin up and to the right of my pinky finger!!
Its been a hot ball for me here lately....

The Tri-Grip is going to take a little getting use to, much more break, and rev's! I know some around here SWEAR by it! I am not sure I need that much, in my case.

James one of the drillers, has had a 300, on league, with me present watching, he loves the fill!!

It will be cool to see what others thank about it!!

[dnhoffman]

Interesting, might drill a ball with this soon

[Aslan]

Me too met too me too!!!

I watched a guy bowl against us last night and I was SOOOO jealous. His ball...very smooth release...but right when it got within 10-15ft of the pins...a real sweet/nice "cut" into the headpin. All I kept thinking was, "Damn. If i could get my ball to react 50% of that...just 50%...I could probably strike twice as often...or at least 2-3 times more per game."

So I'm looking forward to throwing my new ball...more hook potential, more weight, and the tri-grip drilling method. Until then...workin on the basics. Step 1...release/approach/etc... Step 2....just hit the headpin...go from there.

[Mike White]

Ok I used the ball with the Tri-Grip Friday night for the first time that scores mattered.

A little background on where my bowling has been lately. I've been so busy, I haven't had a chance to practice, so I've been bowling like crap for the first month of my league. My average was down to 180, but our team was 11-1 so I wasn't sweating it.

I drilled up a Trop Breeze using the Tri-Grip mainly to see how the ball came off my hand differently.

On Friday, I used the Breeze all 3 games shooting 198 (clean, no doubles), 227 (clean, a double and a 3 bagger), 267 (1st 3, 7 pin miss, last 8)

I didn't drill the ball with any extreme layout. I didn't even use a true layout. I put the pin on the grip centerline about 1.5 inches above the fingers, and the CG on the grip centerline.

Since the lanes have a hold area around 10, I played a stroker shot straight up 8,

It's hard to describe how it felt different than the "standard" drilling. It seemed to hang differently allowing a straighter line from shoulder, elbow, wrist, and ball.

Maybe this is what the informational video is talking about when they show the elbow and hand position.

[MICHAEL]

Ok I used the ball with the Tri-Grip Friday night for the first time that scores mattered.

A little background on where my bowling has been lately. I've been so busy, I haven't had a chance to practice, so I've been bowling like crap for the first month of my league. My average was down to 180, but our team was 11-1 so I wasn't sweating it.

I drilled up a Trop Breeze using the Tri-Grip mainly to see how the ball came off my hand differently.

On Friday, I used the Breeze all 3 games shooting 198 (clean, no doubles), 227 (clean, a double and a 3 bagger), 267 (1st 3, 7 pin miss, last 8)

I didn't drill the ball with any extreme layout. I didn't even use a true layout. I put the pin on the grip centerline about 1.5 inches above the fingers, and the CG on the grip centerline.

Since the lanes have a hold area around 10, I played a stroker shot straight up 8,

It's hard to describe how it felt different than the "standard" drilling. It seemed to hang differently allowing a straighter line from shoulder, elbow, wrist, and ball.

Maybe this is what the informational video is talking about when they show the elbow and hand position.

After more use it will be interesting to hear your long term thoughts on the advantages, or disadvantages of the GRIP.
I noticed right off, and so did my friends watching me bowl that ((in my case it gave me more rev's, I think by getting the thumb out earlier)) Accuracy was about the same,,, it does fell different, seems to me like the ball weight is more evenly distributed in the hand.

Thanks for your thoughts, looking forward to hearing what others have to about the Tri GRIP! ice

[Doghouse Reilly]

This grip sound s totally awsome!! Have to seee if someone does it near here

[Aslan]

@MikeWhite

Try it a couple more times and see if you still recommend it. If you do, I'm on the way out to Riverside!!

[MICHAEL]

@MikeWhite

Try it a couple more times and see if you still recommend it. If you do, I'm on the way out to Riverside!!

Do it Aslan.... take that next great leap toward 200-ville!!! More comfort, more control, ball feels lighter, more rev's... higher scores! Jump on a plane and fly out to KCI airport,,, indepence is not far from the landing pad!! Have Bruce measure, and do the lay out! He has 2 twice tri-Griped my balls! No problems, other then high scores...... what's a ticket cost,, (about the price of a ball)!! I still say several around here, are swearing by it!

And you know how trends always start here, in Kansas city Mo. first then make the west coast a few years later!

[Aslan]

Well...I have to admit...with the exception of the past prostitution issues...Iceman is my hero...so if he recommends it...I am not only interested...but abliged to comply.

It will be so Iceman...and my scores...will surpass even your's. I know, it sounds like more fiction than fact...but I'm a believer...hope and change my friend...hope and change.

[MICHAEL]

Well...I have to admit...with the exception of the past prostitution issues...Iceman is my hero...so if he recommends it...I am not only interested...but abliged to comply.

It will be so Iceman. A second Frantic...WILL be drilled try-grip...and my scores...will surpass even your's. I know, it sounds like more fiction than fact...but I'm a believer...hope and change my friend...hope and change.

When you come to be fitted, make sure you bring your favorite ball that you now throw! It will give Bruce, at BP Pro shop, (((which has a Face book site))

Type BP's pro shop on face book, he has pictures and info on the many people that swear by the new grip! I even think Iceman is mentioned and has pictures of me with some of my accomplishments... lol Bruce use to be a pro bowler, and then drilled for some of the Big names when he left the pro tour.

I have his address, and phone if interested,,, THINK about it Aslan!! A dream ball, to lead you to that desired 200 plus average could be a reality!

[Mike White]

The second night out was a little less successful.
The problem wasn't with the grip, it was just in the wrong ball for the lane conditions.
All I had was a Breeze for strikes, and I drilled up a Polar Ice for spares. Both Tri-Grip.


I'm going to redrill my Sync using the Tri-Grip because I do like the feel better than the previous grip style.
I just don't feel it's the end all, be all answer to everyone's prayers.

The 2nd frame I left a 6-10 and somehow managed to launch the ball into the gutter at about 45 feet.
I guess I hasn't realized how slick the lanes were yet.
I had a strike in the 9th, got the first one in the 10th, then left a 3-10, getting only the 3 pin for a whopping 178 (but we won by 1 pin), then 190, and 220. We won all 3.

Another open was a 1-2-8. Hit the pocket side, and didn't cover the 8 pin.
left a 4-6, (got the 4) and a 4-6-7-9-10, got the (6-9-10).

So 2 opens due to stupid second balls, and 2 opens due to stupid first balls.

[Terrier]

Mike, you mentioned earlier that your PAP changed. Is there any guidance given to pro shops on this before they drill a ball? I don't suppose there's a general prediction on how it will change, right? I'm considering having a ball plugged and drilled, but I don't relish the idea of getting a surprise layout due to not knowing the PAP in advance.

[Aslan]

Well...threw the try-grip a little bit tonight.

1) The thumb hole...too big!! No sure why...Mike gave me a great measurement. The only thing I can think of is we had to do a little more "smoothing" than usual because my thumb pitch was weird and it went through the plug in partially into the ball...leaving a rough spot. But...easy fix...put a little tape in the hole...better to have it a little big than a little small.

2) LOVED IT. Thumbhole issue aside...the ball came off my hand so, so smoothly!! It felt like I was "dropping" it...but I wasn't. I was actually getting decent roll with it...but it came off the hand very smooth. And it sorta helped me not loft it as much. I think with the tri-grip...it isn't as easy to loft it...but thats okay...because I have more than enough loft.

Biggest test...it'll be my primary and spare ball for this Thursday's league (unless I really, really struggle with it or can't resolve the thumb issue). But...so far so good...definitely a noticeably different feel. If things go well...I might use the ball for the remainder of the Thursday league (6-8 more weeks) and then have Mike re-evaluate my mechanics and hopefully get one of my new balls drilled tri-grip!!

[MICHAEL]

A no thumb bowling style! In my case the thumb comes out much sooner, and I get incredible rev's, without lose of control or dropping the ball! I think you might be right mike that feeling of dropping the ball, but in my case on two different balls, I am more accurate, and lots more hook, due to rev's!!!

That fact that the ball actually feels lighter, and in better alinment with my arm helps with accuracy.

But beware,,, you will have to change your target, or more left from the conventional girp! It just puts more juice on the ball!! Iceman's opinion!

[Aslan]

That fact that the ball actually feels lighter, and in better alinment with my arm helps with accuracy.

It's amazing that you say that...because one thing I definitely noticed is for some reason...the ball seemed WAY lighter than 15lbs. My other ball is 15 pounds and, in my hand, the tri-grip ball felt noticeably lighter.

I struggled with it a "little" bit, like you said, ya have to change you aim a little. But I'll have a better feel for it after Thursday. Thursday is heavy oil synthetic lanes...I throw a straight ball anyways since my Frantic won't hook on heavy oil...so switching to the plastic White dot with the tri-grip won't throw me off as much as it did on drier wood lanes.

[MICHAEL]

It's amazing that you say that...because one thing I definitely noticed is for some reason...the ball seemed WAY lighter than 15lbs. My other ball is 15 pounds and, in my hand, the tri-grip ball felt noticeably lighter.

I struggled with it a "little" bit, like you said, ya have to change you aim a little. But I'll have a better feel for it after Thursday. Thursday is heavy oil synthetic lanes...I throw a straight ball anyways since my Frantic won't hook on heavy oil...so switching to the plastic White dot with the tri-grip won't throw me off as much as it did on drier wood lanes.

My frantic with the Tri grip hooks like a monster!! HUMM... I can use it on fresh house shots, and it gives me a real nice angle into the pocket, maye one of the most controlled looking paths into the sweet spot I have! As I have said I even like the direction, of spin better then with the conventional finger tips I have!

[Aslan]

My frantic with the Tri grip hooks like a monster!! HUMM... I can use it on fresh house shots, and it gives me a real nice angle into the pocket, maye one of the most controlled looking paths into the sweet spot I have! As I have said I even like the direction, of spin better then with the conventional finger tips I have!

I can't get that reaction on heavy oil synthetics. I've tried just about everything from almost zero approach, zero backswing....giving it plenty of time to get to the dry area...even tried playing the extreme right in the driest part of the lane. It just skids through. Now, you probably have yours drilled a little more aggressively than mine...but still. Works GREAT for me on drier wood lanes. If I throw it slow along the outside...3-4 board...I can it to hook and hit the 8-pin on the other side of the lane.

But thats okay. It's a nice ball for my Friday leagues on wood lanes. And I have some more aggressive balls in my closet ready to be drilled once I get my mechanics a little better. Then, since the wood lanes are switiching to synthetics next May...I can use my Frantic as my spare ball (thats how straight it goes).

Super excited to see how the tri-grip works on Thursday!!

[noeymc]

I can't get that reaction on heavy oil synthetics. I've tried just about everything from almost zero approach, zero backswing....giving it plenty of time to get to the dry area...even tried playing the extreme right in the driest part of the lane. It just skids through. Now, you probably have yours drilled a little more aggressively than mine...but still. Works GREAT for me on drier wood lanes. If I throw it slow along the outside...3-4 board...I can it to hook and hit the 8-pin on the other side of the lane.

But thats okay. It's a nice ball for my Friday leagues on wood lanes. And I have some more aggressive balls in my closet ready to be drilled once I get my mechanics a little better. Then, since the wood lanes are switiching to synthetics next May...I can use my Frantic as my spare ball (thats how straight it goes).

Super excited to see how the tri-grip works on Thursday!!

before i say anything where do u stand and what mark are you looking at and what type of bowler would you call your self

[vdubtx]

before i say anything where do u stand and what mark are you looking at and what type of bowler would you call your self

Think...Fred Flintstone! :cool:

Jk Aslan, Jk.

[MICHAEL]

I can't get that reaction on heavy oil synthetics. I've tried just about everything from almost zero approach, zero backswing....giving it plenty of time to get to the dry area...even tried playing the extreme right in the driest part of the lane. It just skids through. Now, you probably have yours drilled a little more aggressively than mine...but still. Works GREAT for me on drier wood lanes. If I throw it slow along the outside...3-4 board...I can it to hook and hit the 8-pin on the other side of the lane.

But thats okay. It's a nice ball for my Friday leagues on wood lanes. And I have some more aggressive balls in my closet ready to be drilled once I get my mechanics a little better. Then, since the wood lanes are switiching to synthetics next May...I can use my Frantic as my spare ball (thats how straight it goes).

Super excited to see how the tri-grip works on Thursday!!

How was your ball drilled? where is the pin? above your fingers, below?? What position? The Frantic even with out the tri grip had more kick them my IQ pearl!! They were both drilled pin up off to the side of ring finger!! wow... maybe a balance hole in the wrong position???? take a picture, and post it of your ball!

[Aslan]

before i say anything where do u stand and what mark are you looking at and what type of bowler would you call your self

Thats a lot of questions. Are you a cop? (kidding)

1. I tend to stand left foot 2 boards left of center dot. Obviously, that can vary depending on how the ball is moving...but in "general"...thats by starting point. I "like" to start all the way back...and generate 18-22mph ball speed by using the whole approach...but my coach is currently "curing" me of that bad habit and starting me with my heels on the foul line side of the first row of dots.

2. On dry lanes, I aim around 2nd arrow (board 10). Most of the time...board 10, one board left of it. Maybe one board right...maybe two boards left...but that general area. On synthetics...I have to move my target more towards the 15 board (3rd arrow in from the right) because the ball won't "come back" if I aim at the 2nd arrow...it just skids down and hits the 6 or usually the 3 pin. I "could" try to use the 1-5 boards (1st arrow)...where it's drier...but I get nervous throwing it along the edge of the gutter like that. God bless those who can do that like Del Ballard or Jess Stayrook...but I either get too nervous and "pull" it...or I "miss" and it goes in the gutter.

3. I am a very typical stroker. My swing/release is probably most like Dave Ferraro. My speed has been high lately...but like I said above...trying to dial that back. I think I can settle down into the 16-17mph range. Not sure what my rev rate is. I tend to loft it more...so rather than it sitting down 6 inches to 1.5ft...mine tends to land closer to the arrows.

[Aslan]

How was your ball drilled? where is the pin? above your fingers, below?? What position? The Frantic even with out the tri grip had more kick them my IQ pearl!! They were both drilled pin up off to the side of ring finger!! wow... maybe a balance hole in the wrong position???? take a picture, and post it of your ball!

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Here's the ball...not sure if you can get your answers from the picture. I think it's a standard drilling.

And before anyone comments about it...the ball was just de-oiled last week. I know it looks "dirty"...but thats mostly a dark picture.

Take a picture of your's. I just wanna see where your pin and CG are.

[MICHAEL]

Thats a lot of questions. Are you a cop? (kidding)

LOL,, yes I was in the Kansas City Missouri reserve Police dept back in the 80's! One thing I want to make clear, is that I was in for a very short period of time, in fact was still in training and had to drop out due to a Job offer to work in Wichita Kansas, on a building putting up steel! It was when work was tight in the Kansas city area! They rented an apartment for me, and 4 other Iron Works to run the work with Wichita Ironworkes! And just to be perfectly clear, no I did not get the opportunity to graduate, due to the fact I was there working for almost a year! Now my son, will be something I had hopes of being, and he will be one heck of a Police Officer!

It runs in the family, my son will be starting as a police officer this November the 20! Getting ready to throw a big surprise party in the near future, his roommate is a Missouri decorated Officer, and Nick, my son will be working in the Parkville Police department! He is going to make a GREAT Police Officer! He has all the qualities it takes to be one!!

Ok... I will take a picture of mine,,, It looks like from where you have the pin, it should kick at the end like a Missouri Mule.... hummmm I don't get it?? could it be your release??? Are you getting good finger and lift??

[Zaxmazr]

Thats a lot of questions. Are you a cop? (kidding)

LOL,, yes I was in the Kansas City Missouri reserve Police dept back in the 80's! One thing I want to make clear, is that I was in for a very short period of time, in fact was still in training and had to drop out due to a Job offer to work in Wichita Kansas, on a building putting up steel! It was when work was tight in the Kansas city area! They rented an apartment for me, and 4 other Iron Works to run the work with Wichita Ironworkes! And just to be perfectly clear, no I did not get the opportunity to graduate, due to the fact I was there working for almost a year! Now my son, will be something I had hopes of being, and he will be one heck of a Police Officer!

It runs in the family, my son will be starting as a police officer this November the 20! Getting ready to throw a big surprise party in the near future, his roommate is a Missouri decorated Officer, and Nick, my son will be working in the Parkville Police department! He is going to make a GREAT Police Officer! He has all the qualities it takes to be one!!

Ok... I will take a picture of mine,,, It looks like from where you have the pin, it should kick at the end like a Missouri Mule.... hummmm I don't get it?? could it be your release??? Are you getting good finger and lift??

Tell me you had your fro in the 80s..

[Mike White]

Thats a lot of questions. Are you a cop? (kidding)

1. I tend to stand left foot 2 boards left of center dot. Obviously, that can vary depending on how the ball is moving...but in "general"...thats by starting point. I "like" to start all the way back...and generate 18-22mph ball speed by using the whole approach...but my coach is currently "curing" me of that bad habit and starting me with my heels on the foul line side of the first row of dots.

2. On dry lanes, I aim around 2nd arrow (board 10). Most of the time...board 10, one board left of it. Maybe one board right...maybe two boards left...but that general area. On synthetics...I have to move my target more towards the 15 board (3rd arrow in from the right) because the ball won't "come back" if I aim at the 2nd arrow...it just skids down and hits the 6 or usually the 3 pin. I "could" try to use the 1-5 boards (1st arrow)...where it's drier...but I get nervous throwing it along the edge of the gutter like that. God bless those who can do that like Del Ballard or Jess Stayrook...but I either get too nervous and "pull" it...or I "miss" and it goes in the gutter.

3. I am a very typical stroker. My swing/release is probably most like Dave Ferraro. My speed has been high lately...but like I said above...trying to dial that back. I think I can settle down into the 16-17mph range. Not sure what my rev rate is. I tend to loft it more...so rather than it sitting down 6 inches to 1.5ft...mine tends to land closer to the arrows.

Don't forget to include the fact that the force you use to pull the ball up in your back swing causes you to have a hop at the peak of your backswing.
If you hop the wrong amount, your forward swing is headed directly towards the gutter.

[Mike White]

Mike, you mentioned earlier that your PAP changed. Is there any guidance given to pro shops on this before they drill a ball? I don't suppose there's a general prediction on how it will change, right? I'm considering having a ball plugged and drilled, but I don't relish the idea of getting a surprise layout due to not knowing the PAP in advance.

I'd say pretty hard to predict.

The angle between the T-Grip centerline, and the Tri-Grip reference line has an offset based on the individual's span, and a hand measurement unique to the tri-grip.

For that reason, I suggest drilling a low end, (even plastic) ball to measure the new pap location.

[Mike White]

How was your ball drilled? where is the pin? above your fingers, below?? What position? The Frantic even with out the tri grip had more kick them my IQ pearl!! They were both drilled pin up off to the side of ring finger!! wow... maybe a balance hole in the wrong position???? take a picture, and post it of your ball!

I don't think Aslan has a consistent enough release yet to have pap.

Besides it's hard to find the PAP when the ball hits the gray board before the arrows.

[Mike White]

Well...threw the try-grip a little bit tonight.

1) The thumb hole...too big!! No sure why...Mike gave me a great measurement. The only thing I can think of is we had to do a little more "smoothing" than usual because my thumb pitch was weird and it went through the plug in partially into the ball...leaving a rough spot. But...easy fix...put a little tape in the hole...better to have it a little big than a little small.

2) LOVED IT. Thumbhole issue aside...the ball came off my hand so, so smoothly!! It felt like I was "dropping" it...but I wasn't. I was actually getting decent roll with it...but it came off the hand very smooth. And it sorta helped me not loft it as much. I think with the tri-grip...it isn't as easy to loft it...but thats okay...because I have more than enough loft.

Biggest test...it'll be my primary and spare ball for this Thursday's league (unless I really, really struggle with it or can't resolve the thumb issue). But...so far so good...definitely a noticeably different feel. If things go well...I might use the ball for the remainder of the Thursday league (6-8 more weeks) and then have Mike re-evaluate my mechanics and hopefully get one of my new balls drilled tri-grip!!

The thumb plug was angled based on a different person. It had forward and left pitch. Your hand needed reverse pitch. I could have drilled the thumb and replugged it giving the effect of a slug, but it would have required you to wait around another hour while the plug hardened.

[Aslan]

Don't forget to include the fact that the force you use to pull the ball up in your back swing causes you to have a hop at the peak of your backswing.
If you hop the wrong amount, your forward swing is headed directly towards the gutter.

I'm getting rid of the "hop". As I said in another post...had some coaching on Monday...I was AMAZED at how much air I got during my approach. And AMAZED at how high my backswing was. It took my coach taping it and showing it to me....I was like, "Whoa...did I actually have BOTH feet off the ground!?" and "Whoa!...I thought my backswing was parallel with my shoulder...not directly above my head!!"

[Aslan]

The thumb plug was angled based on a different person. It had forward and left pitch. Your hand needed reverse pitch. I could have drilled the thumb and replugged it giving the effect of a slug, but it would have required you to wait around another hour while the plug hardened.

It's cool. I'll just add some tape and it'll be fine. I defintitely can't throw it without adding the tape though. I tried on Monday and only threw it maybe 10-12 times...and the thumb joint was in pain and calloused. Had to really, really squeeze that thumb to hold onto the ball. But...hopefully the pro shop will have some bowling ball tape...if not I have electrical tape in my bag "just in case".

I would have bought tape Monday...but my coach is the pro-shop guy and he isn't a big fan of me using more than one ball...not to mention I don't know if he'd be upset that I took my business to another pro shop. I know it doesn't seem this way at ALL on the forum...but I tend to be a conflict AVOIDER as much as possible. :cool:

[Aslan]

:(

Well, I got to Thursday league early because I wanted to bowl a couple games to get my "aim" down with the tri-grip drilled Columbia White Dot.

First 2 games; 106-116
Couldn't hit my target. The ball comes out of your hand SO fast...that I'm almost "dropping" it. So I had to buy a couple more games...because I didn't want to be a liability to my team trying this new grip out.

Next 2 games; 98-97
:mad:
Got even worse...could NOT hit my target. I'd aim for board 11...miss 5 boards right. I'd aim for board 16...miss 4-5 boards right. I got so bad...I started aiming 5 boards left of where I wanted it to go hoping I'd hit my actual target. Again, it just seemed like the ball was falling off my hand too soon.

Did not use the ball during league play...not ready.

After Leagues...kinda "lit" and needed to kill some time while I sobered up...and also still really wanted to figure this issue out. I mean, I like the feel...I do....I really do! But...

1) Seems like it falls off my hand too early. Shouldn't matter. I mean, if you're throwing in a good line at the target...where you release shouldn't matter in terms of strictly hitting the target. Adding tape to the thumb hole helped immensely...but it still doesn't feel right coming off my hand.

2) Still some pain in the thumb. Still need to try to "pinch" the thumb to keep from dropping the ball...so developing a callous on the thumb.

First practice Series: 182-122-145
I started trying to intentionally delay my release. It hurt my thumb...but by delaying and avoiding "dropping" it, I was able to be more consistent hittng my target.

Tried one more series (to make sure it wasn't a fluke): 105-108-116
Well, in all honesty...the last 2 games I was too tired and my thumb hurt too much. I shouldn't have bowled the last 3. I mean, 13 games in a night is a little much.

So...still a lot of work ahead of me. I need to get some more confidence with it and then I'll start using it on Thursday nights for league play. But I can't do that until I'm more confident. I still think I like the grip...but I've probably went from 99% sure I wanted it on my next ball to 71% sure.

[MICHAEL]

:(

Well, I got to Thursday league early because I wanted to bowl a couple games to get my "aim" down with the tri-grip drilled Columbia White Dot.

First 2 games; 106-116
Couldn't hit my target. The ball comes out of your hand SO fast...that I'm almost "dropping" it. So I had to buy a couple more games...because I didn't want to be a liability to my team trying this new grip out.

Next 2 games; 98-97
:mad:
Got even worse...could NOT hit my target. I'd aim for board 11...miss 5 boards right. I'd aim for board 16...miss 4-5 boards right. I got so bad...I started aiming 5 boards left of where I wanted it to go hoping I'd hit my actual target. Again, it just seemed like the ball was falling off my hand too soon.

Did not use the ball during league play...not ready.

After Leagues...kinda "lit" and needed to kill some time while I sobered up...and also still really wanted to figure this issue out. I mean, I like the feel...I do....I really do! But...

1) Seems like it falls off my hand too early. Shouldn't matter. I mean, if you're throwing in a good line at the target...where you release shouldn't matter in terms of strictly hitting the target. Adding tape to the thumb hole helped immensely...but it still doesn't feel right coming off my hand.

2) Still some pain in the thumb. Still need to try to "pinch" the thumb to keep from dropping the ball...so developing a callous on the thumb.

First practice Series: 182-122-145
I started trying to intentionally delay my release. It hurt my thumb...but by delaying and avoiding "dropping" it, I was able to be more consistent hittng my target.

Tried one more series (to make sure it wasn't a fluke): 105-108-116
Well, in all honesty...the last 2 games I was too tired and my thumb hurt too much. I shouldn't have bowled the last 3. I mean, 13 games in a night is a little much.

So...still a lot of work ahead of me. I need to get some more confidence with it and then I'll start using it on Thursday nights for league play. But I can't do that until I'm more confident. I still think I like the grip...but I've probably went from 99% sure I wanted it on my next ball to 71% sure.

I use to have thumb problems till a guy introduced me to those pre cut tapes that come in various textures!! WORK LIKE A CHAMP!!! I found that by putting the tape ON MY THUMB both sides, it does away with the pain, and the ball comes off the thumb great! get some and lean how to use it, makes all the difference in the world!

I just ordered some things from bowlingball.com, and among them they have their bowling thumb sock on sale for 9.98! I ordered one for me and my wife just to give it a try! Will let everyone know how the sock works out! I know the tape has changed my game 100 percent, and had that 300 with tape on my thumb, along with my recent 725!

[MICHAEL]

Dougb:
I switched to pro shops recently (Pinole Bowlers Supply in CA) and got a WikiFit using the Morich fitting tubes, etc. Immediately my average jumped 15 pins. Last weekend Bill Hall was at the shop doing a clinic and laying out balls using his system. It is a totally different animal. As comfortable as my WikiFit was, in comparison Bill's fit sat right in the palm of my hand. It sure didn't feel like I was holding a 15 lb orb, and I already found the WikiFit pretty effortless.

He used the measurements off my WikiFit chart but after the ball was punched up it looked completely different than my others. The ring finger looked dropped although the length was the same. The thumb appeared offset (and I don't want to get into one of those "there's no such thing as an offset thumb" debates here -- I'm just talking about how it looked). My finger inserts (lifts) were tilted at an angle instead of dorectly down at the thumb hole. Unfortunately I can't post a pic because the machine to a nice gouge out of my brand new ball and it's being repaired.

As for the effect? Well it was a brand new Brunswick Ringer and I got about one game on it, so the jury is out. But the feel was so comfortable I think I will end up switching my other stuff. And being an up the back of the ball guy with a lot of forward roll, he increased my tilt and I was getting a very strong ball motion. Sorry I don't have measurements guys. Instead of the dual angle system he used his own measurements when I told him what I wanted the ball to do (roll early and turn the corner with a hard driving Brunswick arc). He delivered exactly what I wanted.

My driller said these two systems are complementary. I honestly don't know a lot about any of this stuff. I just know the WikiFit felt so much better than what I had before and the Tri-Grip felt even better.

I will post more later -- and hopefully a pic -- when I get the ball back.


j_w73:
I'm somewhat close to Pinole. Does the operator there now do the Tri-grip system as well??

Dougb:
Garrett Richardson in Pinole does it. Only pro shop in California to do it. Tell him you heard it from Doug!

I'm attaching two pics. The Ringer is the one with the Tri-Grip. Note how the inserts are tilted at a different angle than in my other ball, the Brunswick Aura (laid out using the WikiFit). The ring finger also appears to be slightly dropped in the Ringer, but I think Garrett told me my span didn't change.

I probed a little more on the changes but Bill was keeping the whole system pretty close to the vest. I could appreciate that... why give it away for free? But I watched him lay out my ball with a ruler and a pencil. No Pro Sect involved. I was surprised how low he placed the pin but man that ball does exactly what I requested!

Sorry I can't provide more info guys. I know people on this site are really into the science of this stuff.

j_w73:
Thanks for the info. So just looking at it, it looks like he aligned your inserts to be with your CLT maybe??.. It looks like the ring finger would be dropped in relation to the CLT.. Do you track any different as it related to the finger and thumb hole on each ball??

Dougb:
Yes it looks like the inserts might be aligned with my CLT, but you guys would know better than me. He must've changed my pitches, too. So I don't think the picture shows it all. Needless to say, the ball fits me like a glove now. I cannot describe how well it feels.

As for tracking, I get much more tilt and rotation from this ball than anything else. My track has stayed in the same area -- just more flare.

[MICHAEL]

BP'S Pro Shops type in on Facebook just as shown. ( BP'S Pro Shops ) you will see what people in the Kansas city Missouri area are saying about the Tri grip.
Everyone seems to like! A lady here bowled a 300 with the new grip. Lots of comments on the Facebook site. Any questions ask Bruce/James on their site.

[Aslan]

Tried the Tri-grip again last night. Had success early on in practice, bowling a 175. But then a 98...so I refrained from using that ball for league play.

I practiced with it some more after leagues; 118-129-141-148-91

I still don't like how it falls off the hand. I seem less accurate with it, and it really hurts my spare shooting. I thought I had it figured out; I thought I could delay my release just a little...and stay low...and that sort of helped...but not enough.

And even though adding tape to the thumbhole has dimished the rubbing on the inside of my thumb, I'm now getting pain/rubbing on the inside of the middle finger. It almost feels like either my middle finger has gotten bigger or the hole for the middle finger has gotten smaller.

I also couldn't get many revs. It doesn't matter so much on a plastic ball, but it just seems like the ball is so quick to release from the hand, that I can't get my wrist turned fast enough.

It does feel lighter and I think while the finger and thumb are taking some abuse, the elbow, wrist, and even shoulder seem to be taking less abuse. Sometimes I forget it's a 15lb ball. I pick it up and it feels like a 13lb ball.

I haven't given up on it, but I'm more like 60% sure I'm gonna have my next ball drilled tri-grip versus my previous 70%+.

[MICHAEL]

My Beatdown was drilled correctly, with the Tri-Grip!, but the frantic, was off on the span almost 3/8 of an inch! I thought it felt weird, so I double checked it with James, (one of the drillers), and he is taking it back to fix! This ball is going to look like Swiss cheese I fear,,, being plugged again and redrilled. I would imagine they will plug the thumb hole only, and get the correct span!

I know everyone I have talked to, or read about on BP's pro shop facebook web site, like the feel, and as I said a lady actually bowled a 300 with the Tri grip, not long ago. Is it a system that makes a great bowler out of you .... LOL... I doubt it, but is it a comfortable system of drilling that feels much more natural in your hand, many say yes! I have yet to find anyone that is unhappy with the feel!

You still have to hit your marks, and line up properly, along with all the other bowling info you are learning, as am I!!

[Mike White]

My Beatdown was drilled correctly, with the Tri-Grip!, but the frantic, was off on the span almost 3/8 of an inch! I thought it felt weird, so I double checked it with James, (one of the drillers), and he is taking it back to fix! This ball is going to look like Swiss cheese I fear,,, being plugged again and redrilled. I would imagine they will plug the thumb hole only, and get the correct span!

I know everyone I have talked to, or read about on BP's pro shop facebook web site, like the feel, and as I said a lady actually bowled a 300 with the Tri grip, not long ago. Is it a system that makes a great bowler out of you .... LOL... I doubt it, but is it a comfortable system of drilling that feels much more natural in your hand, many say yes! I have yet to find anyone that is unhappy with the feel!

You still have to hit your marks, and line up properly, along with all the other bowling info you are learning, as am I!!

Wow, 3/8" is a huge miss. I feel I screwed up if I miss by 0.01"

[Mike White]

Tried the Tri-grip again last night. Had success early on in practice, bowling a 175. But then a 98...so I refrained from using that ball for league play.

I practiced with it some more after leagues; 118-129-141-148-91

I still don't like how it falls off the hand. I seem less accurate with it, and it really hurts my spare shooting. I thought I had it figured out; I thought I could delay my release just a little...and stay low...and that sort of helped...but not enough.

And even though adding tape to the thumbhole has dimished the rubbing on the inside of my thumb, I'm now getting pain/rubbing on the inside of the middle finger. It almost feels like either my middle finger has gotten bigger or the hole for the middle finger has gotten smaller.

I also couldn't get many revs. It doesn't matter so much on a plastic ball, but it just seems like the ball is so quick to release from the hand, that I can't get my wrist turned fast enough.

It does feel lighter and I think while the finger and thumb are taking some abuse, the elbow, wrist, and even shoulder seem to be taking less abuse. Sometimes I forget it's a 15lb ball. I pick it up and it feels like a 13lb ball.

I haven't given up on it, but I'm more like 60% sure I'm gonna have my next ball drilled tri-grip versus my previous 70%+.

When you have a chance, bring it back and we can re-work the thumb pitch, based on the wear pattern on your thumb.

It would take about an hour to plug up the thumb.

[Aslan]

When you have a chance, bring it back and we can re-work the thumb pitch, based on the wear pattern on your thumb.

It would take about an hour to plug up the thumb.

Tried the ball again this evening. Started throwing it a bit better: 126-126-153-164-131

No pain in the middle finger. A little bit of thumb rub; inside of knuckle…but not too bad.

Still not sold on it enough to use it as my primary ball on Thursdays, but at least it's not totally useless.

Gonna keep working on it. I don't see the point of plugging and re-drilling. What I really need to see is how a more asymmetric, more powerful ball would behave with the tri-grip. It's hard to tell what kind of revs I'm getting with the tri-grip because the plastic ball is going to go straight regardless.

I think I'll give it another 5-7 weeks. With the tape in the thumbhole, I've helped with the thumb rubbing. One way or another, tri-grip or standard fingertip drilling…I'll be bringing a ball to Mr. White in 5-7 weeks. Still think I'm gonna go with the tri-grip. But still some time to figure that out. No bigee if I make a mistake. Plug it and drill it a different way….right? I mean, I have 5 new balls in my closet undrilled…so I can afford to make a mistake or two on the next one.

[MICHAEL]

Tried the ball again this evening. Started throwing it a bit better: 126-126-153-164-131

No pain in the middle finger. A little bit of thumb rub; inside of knuckle…but not too bad.

Still not sold on it enough to use it as my primary ball on Thursdays, but at least it's not totally useless.

Gonna keep working on it. I don't see the point of plugging and re-drilling. What I really need to see is how a more asymmetric, more powerful ball would behave with the tri-grip. It's hard to tell what kind of revs I'm getting with the tri-grip because the plastic ball is going to go straight regardless.

I think I'll give it another 5-7 weeks. With the tape in the thumbhole, I've helped with the thumb rubbing. One way or another, tri-grip or standard fingertip drilling…I'll be bringing a ball to Mr. White in 5-7 weeks. Still think I'm gonna go with the tri-grip. But still some time to figure that out. No bigee if I make a mistake. Plug it and drill it a different way….right? I mean, I have 5 new balls in my closet undrilled…so I can afford to make a mistake or two on the next one.

It may not be for everyone, but an overwhelming number of people I have talked to around here swear by it. In fact, I have yet to hear anyone say they didn't like it but one person! He is a good bowler, and just prefers a more main stream drilling pattern!

It many not be for you Aslan, and that's something to think about! It due to the different pitch's and various angles it causes you discomfort then I would seriously consider going with a lay out that is (pain free)!

The one thing that it is suppose to accomplish is a more comfortable feel and delivery!

It does not say that it will give increase you score! Many have, due to better release, and comfort! I know yesterday I notice that I felt more lift off of my fingers at release, and thus more rev's, using the Tri grip! Do I like, and still use the conventional fingertip drillings,,,,,,YES! I thing they both have their place.

I am having my Frantic, plugged and redrilled with the Tri grip! The first drilling was off, and a mistake was made in the span! Almost 3/8 to wide, with one of my finger holes and 1/4 off with the other, so it will be interesting to see the difference when I get it back.

Remember I had my 300 game last week, and 789 using a standard fingertip drilling on a older ball that had been plugged. The V.G. Nanno pearl!

I am not sure that everyone will get higher scores, but some have, including a lady here in Kansas city a while back! If its not comfortable, then I would say its not for you! If it feels great off the hands, then it just might be!

At this point I would say its a good system, better then the other styles, it depends on the bowler!

I at this point don't intend on plugging all my balls and converting them, but then I am still working with the new feel! Good luck!

[Aslan]

I am not sure that everyone will get higher scores, but some have, including a lady here in Kansas city a while back! If its not comfortable, then I would say its not for you! If it feels great off the hands, then it just might be!



The thumb issue aside...which as Mike elluded to is an easy fix...I agree. It is a more natural and comfortable grip. Of matter of fact...it's that comfort that is also what I'm most unsure about. It's SO comfortable...that the ball just kinda falls off your hand. And I have to remind myself..."You need to get your wrist turned over...even if its a plastic ball...because thats the proper way to throw it. The tri-grip is sometimes so comfortable and natural a feel...that it falls off you hand before you have a chance to get that wrist turned up (into handshake position). And because it feels so different, sometimes I'm not sure if I got my wrist turned enough or not. On a bigger hook sort of ball...easier to tell because if you stay behind it...it goes straight...if you get the proper wrist rotation, it hooks.

But I'm still leaning towards it on my next ball. Plan on messing with it for another 7 weeks, then making a decision.

[MICHAEL]

Wow, 3/8" is a huge miss. I feel I screwed up if I miss by 0.01"

It had to be a huge mind fart!!! Yes I had my hand with is rather large in span, stretched to the max! I thought it might be part of the Tri Grip layout?
WRONG! It will be ready today, so I am told!
Then I will be able to let you all know my feelings on the Frantic Tri-Grip! I had one good series with the Beatdown 700, using the Tri Grip! Its a 16lb ball, and the Frantic is 15!

I think one thing needs to be made clear, some do find higher games/series ...some about the same! One thing that all have said to Iceman is, its a very comfortable grip.

[MICHAEL]

you haven't researched a new way to lay out your bowling ball with the Bill Hall Tri Grip way of specing out your new,old or used bowling ball you are really missing out in a huge opportunity to get a good grip that fits you personally and promotes smooth easy release. More revolutions on the ball are noted, more consistently and for most a clean release from the thumb of the ball at release is awesome. You can't lose by switching all your balls to the tri grip system. Totally remarkable.

BP'S Pro Shops likes this..bpsproshopsllc@aol.com,,, 816 313 6151 any questions,,, give Bruce/James a call!

[MICHAEL]

It feels GREAT,,, MUCH BETTER with the measurements being correct. It will be interesting to see how it comes off the hand tomorrow! I will fill you all in on my thoughts on this system with a 15lb Frantic ball... I will post a picture of its new layout..... can't wait to take it on a test run!!! If it roles as good as it feels on my hand, ,,,, watch out 800!! Iceman is going to GET YOU!!

[MICHAEL]

Ok had the Tri Grip ball out a couple times, but have not thrown a full game with it yet! I have had a great series with the Beatdown, 16lber a while back! It was the ball I won on this site, had it plugged, and redrilled with the Tri Grip.

The frantic is a 15lber. I just got it back last week, and have started a few leagues with it but wasn't hitting my mark!

The ball has a great look, and fantastic feel in the hand, but I need to explore it a bit more in practice to get use to the increased revs, (I think because the thumb comes out sooner, and the different pitchs, it might have something to do with the accuracy situation I am having at this early point and time with it!

Part of my problem is I have accumulated around 15 balls, and all great balls in their own respect, so its always a situation of which ball to try out tonight!

I have had great success with the IQ pearl, and the Virtual Gravity nano pearl, (both gave me a 300 game this year).

At the moment that redrilled, plugged V.G. nano pearl is my go to ball on league night! It works through 3 games every week so far.

I should take the Beatdown to league this Thursday and see if it can give me another 700 series in league, like it did in practice....

I have TOO MANY GREAT BALLS,,,,, and its like having 15 kids, and you have to chose only 3 0f them to take to Disneyland!!

I need a 15 ball bag, I want to take them all out at the same time!! It melts Iceman's heart to leave some behind!!

[Aslan]

The ball has a great look, and fantastic feel in the hand, but I need to explore it a bit more in practice to get use to the increased revs, (I think because the thumb comes out sooner, and the different pitchs, it might have something to do with the accuracy situation I am having at this early point and time with it!

...and its like having 15 kids, and you have to chose only 3 0f them to take to Disneyland!!

"Iceman has 99 problems but a b*tch ball ain't one. If you're having ball problems he feels bad for ya son."

Yeah Iceman...I had the same issue with the tri-grip when I first started throwing it. Because it comes off your hand differently, it was almost "falling" off my hand...so I wasn't hitting my mark. It was so frustrating at first, that I actually tried to just aim at a mark 4-6 boards left of where I wanted it to go...and then it would hit that spot. But after some practice, I'm hitting my mark with it.

What I have to do though...and you probably aren't going to want to try this given you're an established bowler with a history of success...but when I throw my tri-grip ball I have to aim at the dots and not the arrows. If I aim at the arrows...the ball misses the target 90% of the time. But if I aim at the dots...hits the spot 80% of the time. And it's not just because the dots are closer (although thats obviously part of it)...its more because the ball is releasing earlier. So, you can try that if you want. I'd reccomend drawing an imaginary line from where you release from at the foul line and the arrow you are aiming at...then figure out which dot that line crosses over...then aim for that dot instead. It'll probably be 1-2 boards inside your usual target (because the ball is moving left to right) if you're right handed.

[MICHAEL]

A friend that I bowl with on Monday nights, Gene, had his Marauder plugged and redrilled with the Tri Grip! He said that his average has been 234 since the change! His average is around 224 on several leagues. He LIKES IT VERY much, and said it has a great feel to it! From what I can see, and hear, 99 percent of the people that have had it applied to their balls, have liked it VERY MUCH,,, not just somewhat!

My opinion is still neutral??? Not a bad drilling, but nothing like most of the people I know personally have commented! I must be missing something,,, I seem to bowl well on a good day with either style.

Gene, who will be bowing with me tomorrow night, is VERY HAPPY with it! I will give my Frantic another shot maybe Monday, or the Beatdown! I have two balls drilled with the trigrip.

[Stormed1]

You need to decide which grip you like the best and stick with it. Switching back and forth will screw your game up

[MICHAEL]

You need to decide which grip you like the best and stick with it. Switching back and forth will screw your game up

lol,,, your absolutely right on target with that comment!! But,,,,, but I am a Libera!!!

[J Anderson]

lol,,, your absolutely right on target with that comment!! But,,,,, but I am a Libera!!!

No, the Tea Party and or Fox news has made the word liberal a derogatory word. You Michael, aka Iceman, are a progressive, Like Teddy Roosevelt!

[Stormed1]

I'm a Tauras and like the bull I'm stubborn, Just ask my wife LOL

[MICHAEL]

No, the Tea Party and or Fox news has made the word liberal a derogatory word. You Michael, aka Iceman, are a progressive, Like Teddy Roosevelt!
YOU got that right! LOL ,,, and I hope to progress with my bowling scores!!! :D:D

[Aslan]

Did some more practice last night.

I think one of the problems I'm having now is not knowing the revs I'm getting off the tri-grip ball versus a standard fingertip drill. Because the tri-grip ball is a plastic Columbia WD....it's not going to hook much regardless of how it is drilled. It would be interesting to fingertip and tri-grip drill two identical balls...just to see what the difference in hook/revs is.

A part of me wants to just go for it and get my Hammer Rhythm tri-grip drilled. I mean, the grip "feels" good...and the Rhythm is going to hook more aggresively than my Frantic regardless.

On the other hand, the real push/desire to go to the Rhythm over the Frantic is because I NEED a stronger ball for the heavier oil synthetics since my current alley is replacing their old wood lanes with synthetics...thus meaning I'll be playing on moderate-heavy oil from then on out.

So, still practicing, still trying it out.

[e-tank]

Did some more practice last night.

I think one of the problems I'm having now is not knowing the revs I'm getting off the tri-grip ball versus a standard fingertip drill. Because the tri-grip ball is a plastic Columbia WD....it's not going to hook much regardless of how it is drilled. It would be interesting to fingertip and tri-grip drill two identical balls...just to see what the difference in hook/revs is.

A part of me wants to just go for it and get my Hammer Rhythm tri-grip drilled. I mean, the grip "feels" good...and the Rhythm is going to hook more aggresively than my Frantic regardless.

On the other hand, the real push/desire to go to the Rhythm over the Frantic is because I NEED a stronger ball for the heavier oil synthetics since my current alley is replacing their old wood lanes with synthetics...thus meaning I'll be playing on moderate-heavy oil from then on out.

So, still practicing, still trying it out.

what you could do is take a piece of tape and put one end just above the ring finger and the other end on your approximate pap. Video it and you can get a rough calculate of the revs by counting the amount of times the tape comes full circle

[MICHAEL]

Gene, one of my teammates bowled a 764 last night with the recently converted marauder, that he had plugged and redrilled with the Tri Grip! He said his average has gone sky high since the change in grip. His average was around 222,,, now he is constantly averaging over 230!! He is sold on the grip!

[Aslan]

what you could do is take a piece of tape and put one end just above the ring finger and the other end on your approximate pap. Video it and you can get a rough calculate of the revs by counting the amount of times the tape comes full circle

I heard that before, but I thought you needed a camera that can slow the frames down? My camera is in the shop, my video camera is older than dirt, so that just leaves me with my cell phone camera.

[e-tank]

I heard that before, but I thought you needed a camera that can slow the frames down? My camera is in the shop, my video camera is older than dirt, so that just leaves me with my cell phone camera.

i used my phone camera then slowed it down by using windows movie maker. If you have a smart phone that cam should be fine.

or you could put the tape on there just to get a visual on how fast the ball is spinning in comparison w/o video

[Aslan]

or you could put the tape on there just to get a visual on how fast the ball is spinning in comparison w/o video

Thats actually a pretty good idea…which is rare from someone that lives in or near San Diego.

I dated a woman from San Diego for a short time. She was as fine as strawberry wine…but boil yer bunny crazy!!

I might just wait and let Mike White look at me throwing it. He's all kinds of bowling smart so he can probably tell what rev rate I'm getting just from merely hearing it roll down the lane….yeah…he's THAT (http://gifb.in/ZcsV) good.

[tccstudent]

Well I know that I havent heard much about this fitting technique around here So I called the proshops today and no one around here is using this technique the closest place I could find is probably Springdale ArkieSaw which is just over 90 min drive.

[Aslan]

I was thinking of getting my daughter a ball and having it try-grip drilled. Normally, I wouldn't even consider it…I mean, I'm still going back and forth whether to do fingertip vs. conventional grip…but I have to admit…the tri-grip felt very good and made the ball feel lighter in my hand. I think that would help her as she starts bowling to have the tri-grip drilling.

But…I'd need to find her a cheap ball to get plugged and tri-grip drilled by Mike. If I go the new ball route…might be cheaper to get it through my local shop, have it conventional drilled, and might get a free lesson for her out of the deal.

But before I go down that route…I need to get her to at least a level of interest where it's worthwhile.

And I'm kinda torn about my future in "tri-grip". Right now, I'm pretty sure that I'm gonna have my next strike ball drilled tri-grip and have a duplicate ball drilled fingertip. Have them otherwise exactly the same to do a real side-by-side comparison. Right now I have 2 16-pound Columbia300 Encounters…NIB undrilled. I figure that would be a good side-by-side comparison.

If I don't…if I change my mind…or if Mike stops doing it before the end of next year when I'm planning on making the ball change…then I might take the opportunity to have them drilled the same; but have the pin layout completely different…to see the difference in that way. Might be a good way to get 2 very different reactions from essentially the same ball.

[tccstudent]

Might be a good way to get 2 very different reactions from essentially the same ball.

I have had balls that cracked on me that the pro shop had to replace even laying them out the exact same gave it complete different reaction. NO TWO BALLS ARE THE SAME
Summer before last I was in a DV8 have a ball summer league and lot of them cracked and had to be replaced the first one I had I was throwing up big numbers every time I picked it up Even threw a pair of 300's in a 12 game sweeper After it cracked and was replaced I never liked how the new ball reacted. I had a Franic that cracked on me that I loved a few months ago the replacement is nothing near the same, but I mainly threw that in a PBA league and there wont be another till summer.

[Aslan]

My Frantic chipped today. I noticed early on that it seemed to "ding" a lot more than other balls. And this afternoon…CHIPPED!

Ughhh…unless something changes; I might not have a very good review of the Frantic. Especially if it can't last me until May when my center switches to synthetic lanes. Thats all I really need it for…just for league play until May…and then it'll be relegated to back-up ball duties for a couple months before being retired. But man…it's got about 200 games on it and now it's got a keyhole sized chip in it. I "think" it happened because the lanes were so goddam dry (ughhh!!) that to hit the lone 7-pin I had to virtually throw it over the ball return and land it on the 2-3 board. Either than or break my wrist and throw it straight. Well, when I threw it over the ball return it hit the 1-board/edge…and I "think" thats when it chipped.

Pie in the sky as this sounds…I'd like to get 1-2 300 games with it before I retire it. But at this rate…it'll be cracked in half by Easter.

[MICHAEL]

Will post the picture tomorrow,,, its healing from the drilling at this time!! Can't wait to try it, out with the tri-grip tomorrow evening! Will let you know how it turns out.

Its drilled pin up, and off to the side of my ring finger!

[MICHAEL]

I thought about it for a few days, and decided to go with the Tri-Grip mainly for two reasons!

1. It so damn comfortable!

1. 50 percent more rev's in my case! (get the thumb out much quicker, and thus give me more lift, and rev's!!

I have not had a 300 yet with this grip, but I know several in the Kansas City area that have, including a woman!
YES A Real Woman, not a PBA woman bowler!

I know its hard to find a driller that knows how to drill the tri-grip! We have two here in Kansas City that I would highly recommend! If you interested drop me a line, and I will connect you with one of them!

[MICHAEL]

the ball felt, and rolled great!! I will never go back to conventional grip! TOO many advantages, in my opinion, to not drill a ball with this amazing grip!

I just hope that other drillers are doing the system justice! I know here in Kansas City Missouri we have two that can get the job done!!!

Had some carry problems at first, 205, 268, and 214! I had some problems with what looked like nice pocket shoots, but 7 pin and 10 pin carry! ( especially the first game!! The good news is I picked up all the 10 pins, and only missed one 7 pin. I should not have missed that 7 pin, being right handed!!! but for a first outing the Tribal, worked great!! I will post a picture!
I was surprised at the amount of flip when I would go outside with it!! Its going to be my new go to ball for a while!!

Can't wait to see what it can do!!

[MICHAEL]

http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg546/imagine686868/DSC00308_zps4d533ec3.jpg (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/imagine686868/media/DSC00308_zps4d533ec3.jpg.html)

SWEET!! Looking forward to throwing it again tonight!

[Perrin]

That is an interesting picture.

The thumb appears to be off-set to the right of center. Most of the threads I have read talk about the thumb being off-set left for right handed baowlers.

One of the reasons I ruled this out is clipping of the thumb hole already so moving the hole left would not be an option for me. But if the hole were moved right that may after-all work for me.... hmmmm Food for thought I guess. noone local does this yet (closest listed on the website is hours away)

[tccstudent]

That is an interesting picture.

The thumb appears to be off-set to the right of center. Most of the threads I have read talk about the thumb being off-set left for right handed baowlers.


Now two peoples hands are the exact same just because the thumb seems more to the right or left dont mean much it has to do with the person it was drilled for.
I talked to my driller about the Tri-Grip and he told me that this is nothing new it has been around for years that this is just a new packaging on the fitting technique. and while he doesnt have the "Bill Hall" tri grip he uses a mixture of this technique and others.

[sprocket]

The thumb in never intentionally centered in any grip. If it ends up being that way it is just coincidental. It all depends on the bowlers hand. Everybody's middle finger is longer than their ring finger but not always by the same amount.

[bowl1820]

That is an interesting picture.

The thumb appears to be off-set to the right of center. Most of the threads I have read talk about the thumb being off-set left for right handed baowlers.

http://s5.postimg.org/r891sypmv/DSC00308.jpg
It only appears offset depending on how you draw the centerline of the grip.

[MICHAEL]

http://billhallbowling.com/index.php?id_cms=10&controller=cms

[MICHAEL]

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Re: Bill Hall Tri-Grip fitting system

« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2013, 11:22:25 PM »



I can assure you that the Tri-Grip is not "merely" a CLT but is far from it. Many have tried to copy the Tri-Grip with the CLT method and have not been successful. Unless you understand the linear lines of the tendons of the hand that is based off of kinesiology that is explained in the video then no you cannot copy it.
If you have your specs and go to another shop then yes that other shop can copy it if they know the technique.
There has been many players that have compared the Tri-Grip with the CLT method and have found that the balance and feel of the grip is completely different from each other. If you want to do your own comparison then I completely encourage it by finding a shop near you that has the Tri-Grip method.

[MICHAEL]

The thumb hole is offset to the Left, amoung other things, including different angles and pitches! ICEMAN has NO, connection with Bill Hall, my uncle! Just because he came over for Christmas and gave me several dozen bowling balls, doesn't mean that I feel in ANY WAY, beholding to him!!

[Aslan]

I thought it was offset right. Nope…maybe it was left. I can't remember.

I got about 530 games since I started recording games. I figure roughly 430 games on the Frantic. So by the time I get to 700 games total…I should have over 600 on the Frantic. It's already showing signs of chipping. I was hoping it would last a full year…but I think once I hit 700 total games…it'll be time to retire it and have a new back-up ball drilled; 16lb Brunswick Slingshot. And I think when I do, I'll have Mike W. tri-grip drill it. If I don't "love" it…it's just a back-up ball. I pick up most spares with my strike ball so it's no big loss if I don't like it. And if it does add some revs as Iceman says…it'll help make that rather "weak" Slingshot into a useable low-moderate oil ball.

That is…if Mikey W. is still alive…I haven't heard much from his camp lately.

[MICHAEL]

This is the pro shop that drills my balls! The same Pro shop that gave me my last two 300 games!! Bruce, and James know the Tri-Grip!! Bruce an x pro bowler, who drilled for many of the top stars out there at tournaments!

BP'S Pro Shops

December 13, 2013
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Tri Grip update. Average last four sets 248.6. Twelve games in two different leagues. Come Tri It! BPS Pro Shops .


BP'S Pro Shop


Ask about Bill Halls new Tri Grip drilling method we use at our shops. It creates the best release in a bowling ball I have personally had the experience to use in many years. As most should know the most important aspects of consistency and higher scoring is a clean release, especially the thumb. This drilling method also does not only help with release but helps apply the correct pressure points of the bowling ball on your hand and wrist with more revolutions. Ask about switching your bowling ball today! BP.

[Hampe]

Lol....Iceman, you are like a living infomercial :D

[MICHAEL]

Lol....Iceman, you are like a living infomercial :D

LOL,,, When its drilled right, it has some great benefits in my opinion.... My first 300 was a more standard finger tip drilling, but the second one was the Tri-Grip! I have seen, and talked to several people around here, that love the grip. A lady around here had her fist 300 with the grip Hampe. I say give it a try, on ONE ball! I don't even know the guy that come up with the drilling pattern, maybe Rob, or Mike do? I just know its a GREAT Feel!
What the hell, maybe its because I am not a mortal being, I am Iceaman! lol


Gets the thumb out quicker!

More revs on the ball

Much more comfortable

Better control of the ball

more accurate at hitting target due in part to comfortable feel in your hand.

I some times wonder, if any problems related to the grip, might just be either the ball was not drilled according to the specifications, or someone like Aslan, that has serious hand, eye, arm, leg, coordination problems! LOL.... (You know I am just kidding Lion man!! (:)

[tccstudent]

I would like to give it a try but there is no one around here that does it.

[mc_runner]

I'm considering picking up a used ball or plugging an old ball and giving this a try based entirely on how high Iceman is on this system, haha.

[MICHAEL]

I'm considering picking up a used ball or plugging an old ball and giving this a try based entirely on how high Iceman is on this system, haha.

I am not affiliated with the guy that come up with this layout! I only know people around here that swear by it! Hey when the drillers, both James and Bruce, have all their balls drilled with it,,,,,,,, THAT,,, tells you a lot!

Bruce is an X pro bowler who did the tour,, and drilled for some of the best!

Don't try it for me, Try it for YOURSELF!! Good idea using a used ball, but believe me you won't regret the new great feel and release IMHO! I just hope you find a driller that knows the system and how to measure you, and lay it out properly! Good luck!

[tccstudent]

I am not affiliated with the guy that come up with this layout! !

Iceman I think you could be confusing people be calling it a layout. It is a fitting technique, and didnt you say Bill Hall was your uncle and you had him over for christmas and he gave you a bunch of bowling balls.

[Aslan]

How do you say "get a room already" in Icelandic??

I also use the tri-grip (or at least will be in a few weeks when the Frantic is semi-retired and a spot opens up in the bag)...so I'm not hatin on it. I just don't need clean underwear every time the topic comes up. And MY ball driller is FAR better than that Bruce guy. Ever heard of M. White?? Yeah...the one and only, so, bamm, in yer face.

[MICHAEL]

Iceman I think you could be confusing people be calling it a layout. It is a fitting technique, and didnt you say Bill Hall was your uncle and you had him over for christmas and he gave you a bunch of bowling balls.

Well when I put up structural Steel building, bridges, or even towers, I always had blueprint, which was the layout of the building.
potato, patato!!! A fitting by any other name is still a layout also!

NO Bill Hall is not my uncle, but I would be Proud to have him for a Brother, even a 3rd cousin!

All the money he sends my I give to charity!! I donate it all to the: "Burnt Up Bowlers" charity!

[MICHAEL]

How do you say "get a room already" in Icelandic??

I also use the tri-grip (or at least will be in a few weeks when the Frantic is semi-retired and a spot opens up in the bag)...so I'm not hatin on it. I just don't need clean underwear every time the topic comes up. And MY ball driller is FAR better than that Bruce guy. Ever heard of M. White?? Yeah...the one and only, so, bamm, in yer face.

GET A GRIP Aslan!!!

And YES I know Mike White!! I also know he is not a miracle worker! He could give you "the perfect ball", and I am sure you would fined a way to make it POO, if you didn't word it to death!

JUST A THOUGHT: Have you ever thought that MIKE, might not have truly given you the TRI-GRIP, in fear of the meeting coming up between you and HIM!!!

THINK ABOUT IT!!

Maybe MIKE has a FEAR of Aslan, (the lion)!!

I know we are all looking forward to massacre! Iceman's thoughts after seeing a vedio of YOU, and MIke!

YOU DON"T HAVE A SNOWBALLS CHANCE in Death Valley around July!!

But the very fact that you are not running form this challenge tells me that you eat way too much baloney, and might just be nitrate brain impaired!

I just caller Vegas, and the odds of you wining surprised me,,,,,... later...

[MICHAEL]

The Odds are of Aslan winning as of 4 pm today: Vegas odds maker Anthony la Burseo


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[Aslan]

The Odds are of Aslan winning as of 4 pm today: Vegas odds maker Anthony la Burseo


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If Buster Douglas can drop Mike Tyson, Aslan can drop M. White. I'm not even worried about Mike...it's ZDawg thats flying in under the radar!!

[MICHAEL]

Bowlingball.com might make you a winner!! They like to be associated with winners!! (just some incentive)!
Not only the money you will win form mike, but the glory and a new ball form Bowlingball.com. But your must win!!
I could use the $120,000 cash I bet on you!! Good luck to all of you, I have no favorites, I just bet against the odds, to win BIG!

Aslan,,, Can YOU MAKE ICEMAN a winner!!! CAn you!!!!!

I had a dream Aslan,,, and in that dream you won using a ball with THE TRI-GRIP!!

[Mike White]

Bowlingball.com might make you a winner!! They like to be associated with winners!! (just some incentive)!
Not only the money you will win form mike, but the glory and a new ball form Bowlingball.com. But your must win!!
I could use the $120,000 cash I bet on you!! Good luck to all of you, I have no favorites, I just bet against the odds, to win BIG!

Aslan,,, Can YOU MAKE ICEMAN a winner!!! CAn you!!!!!

I had a dream Aslan,,, and in that dream you won using a ball with THE TRI-GRIP!!

Ok, I can accept that anyone east of California will speak with an accent, but type with an accent?????

form?

[Mike White]

Bowlingball.com might make you a winner!! They like to be associated with winners!! (just some incentive)!
Not only the money you will win form mike, but the glory and a new ball form Bowlingball.com. But your must win!!
I could use the $120,000 cash I bet on you!! Good luck to all of you, I have no favorites, I just bet against the odds, to win BIG!

Aslan,,, Can YOU MAKE ICEMAN a winner!!! CAn you!!!!!

I had a dream Aslan,,, and in that dream you won using a ball with THE TRI-GRIP!!


Just to nullify any advantage Aslan might have from using a ball with a Tri-Grip I'll be using my Tri-Grip Arsenal.

Brunswick Mastermind - 1000 grit (incase there is plenty of oil)
Storm Tropical Breeze - Polished with a Mo-Hole
Columbia 300 White Dot - Polished, gotta throw hard and straight at them spares.

I'll bring the 300 ball in case my arm feels healthy, the bruising is almost gone after two weeks.
Storm Polar Ice - Polished

[MICHAEL]

Just to nullify any advantage Aslan might have from using a ball with a Tri-Grip I'll be using my Tri-Grip Arsenal.

Brunswick Mastermind - 1000 grit (incase there is plenty of oil)
Storm Tropical Breeze - Polished with a Mo-Hole
Columbia 300 White Dot - Polished, gotta throw hard and straight at them spares.

I'll bring the 300 ball in case my arm feels healthy, the bruising is almost gone after two weeks.
Storm Polar Ice - Polished


Fair is FAIR, MIKE! LOL GOOD LUCK TO all of you! May the best bowler win!!! Looing forward to the u-tube flick!
Already have the popcorn ready to be made!

[Aslan]

Unless something tragic happens to my Frantic during league play tonight, I will NOT be bringing my tri-gripped Slingshot with me to the Invitational on Saturday.

My bowling balls are like the Sith...there is a "Rule of 2". Mainly because I have a 2-ball bag. So, the Rhythm and Frantic will be making the trip. The Frantic isn't planned for retirement until closer to mid-March or late March. And until it's retired, I have no space (nor need really) for the tri-grip drilled Slingshot. I know Iceman thinks throwing a non tri-grip drilled ball will put me at a significant disadvantage...but until Bowlingball.com allows me to win a 3-ball or 4-ball roller...I guess I'll just have to continue to play at a disadvantage. : (

[zdawg]

Well, I'm only bringing one ball, since I don't have a spare ball yet, and my new/aggressive ball I brought to league last week to try and use for the first time and found out the thumb pitch is completely wrong - it wasn't my intention to try it out for the first time on league night, but my other ball had spent three days de-oiling in the pro shop and wasn't ready by the time my league started.

That said, I WISH somebody down here knew what the tri-grip was, maybe I'll talk to Mike about that tomorrow as I'm very interested in anything that eases tension on the thumb tendons - I had both thumb tendons in my right (throwing) hand completely severed in an accident with a glass table 5 years ago, and while 8 months of physical therapy returned me to near 100% use of the thumb, the bits of scar tissue inside that we couldn't quite get broken down, in addition to the fact that surgically reattached tendons tend to be tighter than the ones that haven't been surgically reattached, sometimes cause tendon pain. I'd love to try out a tri-grip at some point.

[RobLV1]

Reading these posts, PLEASE let me know the next time this goes down. This is just to good not to see in person!

[MICHAEL]

Reading these posts, PLEASE let me know the next time this goes down. This is just to good not to see in person!

Rob, this Will be a massacre!! What kind of a sick human being are you!!!! I know something that not even Mike White knows,,,,, this is a setup!! Aslan had this planned to come down to JUST THIS!

I know Aslans real averages, before he took on the fake ID he has on this website. I know for a fact that his average in actually 235!

Look him up! His real name is Pat Henderson, and he is from Kansas city Mo!!! He has been living in Ca for only a short time.

Go to bowling awards , and look him up! Go to AWARDS and type his Real Name,, Patrick Henderson... Kansas City Mo.

NOW you know the Rest of the story! MIKE, May god be with you!!! Zag,,,, Forget-About-it!!! Zag, You were the bait Pat, known as Aslan, used for this big money tournament!

Jason knows Aslan, or should I say Pat Henderson,,, he knows the kind of game this guy can throw!!

I have to hand it to you Aslan,,,,, GREAT CON GAME!!

[Aslan]

The only thing greater than Bowl1820's ego and Rob Mautner's greatness…is Iceman's imagination!!

But yes Iceman…you caught me!! My real name is NOT Pat Henderson from Kansas City, MS. I wouldn't be caught dead in Missouri!! My real name is WALTER RAY WILLIAMS!! Yes…THAT guy!! And whether it's horseshoes, bowling, or marbles…you mere mortals are going DOWN!!

I truly apologize to zDawg…I had hoped to bowl a close game against him and then sign some autographs…but now that THE MICHEAL J. WHITE has entered the competition…I gotta bring my A-Game!! I don't foresee a 900 series…Temecula is a dirty, dusty hole…so it'll probably mess with my superior skills a bit…but if I don't bowl at LEAST an 840…well, we'll know something is really wrong.

Don't worry Rob…you and Iceman will see this greatness soon enough. Mike has promised (and swore to God) that he'd bring a camera to tape the event. $5 says he either forgets or after getting beat claims the video got "lost"…but whatever.

Peace out girls!! Aslan had a nice 521 series warm-up tonight…and Game 3 I was drunk off my ***…still threw a 160…so it's not looking good for the youngster ZD and the elder MW!!!

[tccstudent]

But yes Iceman…you caught me!! My real name is NOT Pat Henderson from Kansas City, MS. I wouldn't be caught dead in Missouri!! My real name is WALTER RAY WILLIAMS!! Yes…THAT guy!! And whether it's horseshoes, bowling, or marbles…you mere mortals are going DOWN!!
!
I didnt know that Kansas City was in Mississippi and what does that have to do with Missouri

[zdawg]

The only thing greater than Bowl1820's ego and Rob Mautner's greatness…is Iceman's imagination!!

But yes Iceman…you caught me!! My real name is NOT Pat Henderson from Kansas City, MS. I wouldn't be caught dead in Missouri!! My real name is WALTER RAY WILLIAMS!! Yes…THAT guy!! And whether it's horseshoes, bowling, or marbles…you mere mortals are going DOWN!!

I truly apologize to zDawg…I had hoped to bowl a close game against him and then sign some autographs…but now that THE MICHEAL J. WHITE has entered the competition…I gotta bring my A-Game!! I don't foresee a 900 series…Temecula is a dirty, dusty hole…so it'll probably mess with my superior skills a bit…but if I don't bowl at LEAST an 840…well, we'll know something is really wrong.

Don't worry Rob…you and Iceman will see this greatness soon enough. Mike has promised (and swore to God) that he'd bring a camera to tape the event. $5 says he either forgets or after getting beat claims the video got "lost"…but whatever.

Peace out girls!! Aslan had a nice 521 series warm-up tonight…and Game 3 I was drunk off my ***…still threw a 160…so it's not looking good for the youngster ZD and the elder MW!!!

The Zman, ME, the one everybody keeps overlooking had his worst night tonight since early December. I did score the girl who I've been eyeing for weeks number (she and I are going out Sunday), I bowled like **** - first game 158, no big deal couldn't find a line to the pocket, second game 118....third game I switched to two handed and hit a 168 for my WORST series since December. If nothing else tomorrow, if I bowl like POO, I promise I will **** Aslan off by switching to 2 handed just because...

[MICHAEL]

IF it's not HD, wide angle, (Go PURCHASE ONE!!) This needs to be a GOOD CLEAR video! To bad my driller James is not there, he does a great job with a camera, and even better comments while filming! Sounds like a Howard CO-Sell!! LOL Find some one that can ask questions, do interviews, and zoom in and out on shots!

No one wants a planted camera in ONE SPOT!! PLEASE Spare us that!! (spare us that, get it bowling lol)!

This can be something that will live in the annals of bowling History, do it justice men!

THIS IS A SHOT OUT! THE REAL DEAL, Only ONE will WALK OUT WITH THE GLORY OF VICTORY!

[Mike White]

Rob, this Will be a massacre!! What kind of a sick human being are you!!!! I know something that not even Mike White knows,,,,, this is a setup!! Aslan had this planned to come down to JUST THIS!

I know Aslans real averages, before he took on the fake ID he has on this website. I know for a fact that his average in actually 235!

Look him up! His real name is Pat Henderson, and he is from Kansas city Mo!!! He has been living in Ca for only a short time.

Go to bowling awards , and look him up! Go to AWARDS and type his Real Name,, Patrick Henderson... Kansas City Mo.

NOW you know the Rest of the story! MIKE, May god be with you!!! Zag,,,, Forget-About-it!!! Zag, You were the bait Pat, known as Aslan, used for this big money tournament!

Jason knows Aslan, or should I say Pat Henderson,,, he knows the kind of game this guy can throw!!

I have to hand it to you Aslan,,,,, GREAT CON GAME!!

Not sure where I heard the story from, but it's related to this situation.

Two guys are going to bowl for money, one guy claims to be a 170 bowler, and the other claims to be a 140.

So they decide there will be 25 pins of handicap.

While the 170 guy is getting ready, he pulls a gun out of his bag and sets it on the table.

The 140 guy asks, "Whats that for?"

170 responds, "To be sure you're really a 140 bowler."

[Mike White]

IF it's not HD, wide angle, (Go PURCHASE ONE!!) This needs to be a GOOD CLEAR video! To bad my driller James is not there, he does a great job with a camera, and even better comments while filming! Sounds like a Howard CO-Sell!! LOL Find some one that can ask questions, do interviews, and zoom in and out on shots!

No one wants a planted camera in ONE SPOT!! PLEASE Spare us that!! (spare us that, get it bowling lol)!

This can be something that will live in the annals of bowling History, do it justice men!

THIS IS A SHOT OUT! THE REAL DEAL, Only ONE will WALK OUT WITH THE GLORY OF VICTORY!

I have the Casio Exilim EX-ZR300, It does HD 1920x1080 so I'm assuming that would be wide angle.

Without all of the proper balancing equipment for a mobile camera, it would look like a bad home video, so expect a "planted" camera shot.

[MICHAEL]

I have the Casio Exilim EX-ZR300, It does HD 1920x1080 so I'm assuming that would be wide angle.

Without all of the proper balancing equipment for a mobile camera, it would look like a bad home video, so expect a "planted" camera shot.


can't you hire a local News personality?? To do Q and A??? This needs to be done right Mike!!! How about Bunny, she lives in your area? Questions need to be ask!!! Interviews done..... then BATTLE!!

[Mike White]

can't you hire a local News personality?? To do Q and A??? This needs to be done right Mike!!! How about Bunny, she lives in your area? Questions need to be ask!!! Interviews done..... then BATTLE!!

I'm just a participant, not an organizer. If you want to be the Director, get on a plane, quick.

As is always the case, "done right", and "on budget" are in conflict.

[Aslan]

I did score the girl who I've been eyeing for weeks number (she and I are going out Sunday)...

Well, honestly, thats far more important than the bowling score!!

Tournament results to follow; just giving MWhite time to get the videos loaded to Youtube first.

[Mike White]

Well, honestly, thats far more important than the bowling score!!

Tournament results to follow; just giving MWhite time to get the videos loaded to Youtube first.

To be done right, would require multiple cameras so it can focus on pins, side views, rear views (although some rears look worse than others)

That would also require a bunch more editing. As it is, there is a ton of empty time in the raw footage.

[MICHAEL]

Post it...... we don't care how long, or what-ever!! Lets see this puppy, down and dirty!!!

[Mike White]

Post it...... we don't care how long, or what-ever!! Lets see this puppy, down and dirty!!!

You might not care how long, or whatever, but it appears that youtube does care about length.

[MICHAEL]

I can make it work! Put it on a SD card, send it to me! I will get it up and running in less then a day.
If I can't, I have a couple computer programmers friends that are Real Good at doing the impossible!

Sorta like beating Aslan in bowling....LOL (:) (doing the impossible)

Mike,,,, did Aslan really beat you????

I am thinking real seriously about coming out this summer,,, I always like SD, a lot! Use to make a trip out there every summer for the Iron Workers teachers update classes. Always rode my bike instead of flying!

I will load up my bike, and trailer with a few bowling balls, it shouldn't take much to defeat Aslan! Then I will teach the Lion a lesson! YES EVEN with a fair handicap! (:)

He needs to be taught a lesson!! Iceman ,,,, This Summer.

[Mudpuppy]

Vimeo, skip youtube and you won't have issues or need an SD card or a 6 ball trailer, etc.

[Aslan]

I will load up my bike, and trailer with a few bowling balls, it shouldn't take much to defeat Aslan! Then I will teach the Lion a lesson! YES EVEN with a fair handicap! (:)



psst psst...

(whispers): Hopefully he doesn't stop at any alleys on the way to practice. I have a feeling if he stops off at an alley to practice and realizes how inflated his average is from bowling in that super easy house he bowls in...he'll turn around and go home!

So yeah Ice...come on out...but NO PRACTICING in ANY STATE or center other than your home center...don't wanna tire yourself out before the big game right?

So what happens when I drop the next "legend"?? I mean, I beat zdawg (spotting him 24 pins a game) and people are like "well...zdawg is still learning." I beat the All-Star superstar M. White....and the closest thing I've gottent to credit is, "Okay...well, technically I guess you beat him....so congrats on that hollow victory." And while zdawg blames my victory on him being in a slump...MWhite blames it 100% on the lane conditions being messed up and akward.

So what happens when I drop "Mr. Tri-Grip 300" himself ?? Will there be credit then? Or will I hear how he was tired from the long ride...or had a cold...or will the "community" chime in and start making creative math problems where..."...I F you based averages based on anyone with a username that contains an "I"...getting an additional 17 pins...then recalculate averages to allign with the Chinese New Year....then Iceman actually won."

I'm the champ. Wanna dethrone the champ? Step one in the process is acknowledging that I AM the champ. THEN we can talk about future challenges.

What about a "Bowlingboards Invitational"?
- Maybe bowlingball.com would like to put something like that together...good advertising...for the store and the site
- ...maybe have some bowling items as prizes...or "winner gets a $250 bowlingball.com online store credit"? If we got enough people...some nice brackets and side pots.
- There's a software...I think in Yahoo maps or something like that...where everyone can log into the group/page, enter in their zip codes, and it'll display where they are. Maybe the 1st annual tournament could be held in a place that is most central to all the site users.
- Make it relatively cheap to enter...but you MUST have a bowlingboards.com account and lets say 175 post by January 1 of that year.
- Maybe the winner gets a special avatar next to his name like the admin and moderators have...something like "2013 BB Invitational Champion".
- Make it handicapped...but also have awards for scratch and other fun stuff (most splits, strike %, longest/shortest distance traveled to get to attend, gutters, lowest score, etc...)
- If it is big enough, and is tied to the internet site, maybe ball manufacturers show up and set up booths??

I'd go. If it was anywhere West of Oklahoma, I'd make the drive. Or maybe it alternates...1 year East Coast, 1 year Midwest, 1 year West Coast? I wonder what the interest would be? And I wonder how many people would be needed to attend for it to be worthwhile?

[classygranny]

Mudpuppy....condensed version, please!!! Stay up on these things, would ya? It would be greatly appreciated, especially at this late hour (:>

[MICHAEL]

Mudpuppy....condensed version, please!!! Stay up on these things, would ya? It would be greatly appreciated, especially at this late hour (:>
HIS HEAD IS NOW BIG
He is delusional
He thinks he can beat Iceman
reality check
NO WAY!!! So says Iceman!

[Aslan]

I never thought I'd say this...but GOD I wish I had a reason to travel to Missouri (or near Missouri) for work sometime soon.

Normally, wanting to go to Missouri ranks just below wanting to see Montana and just above wanting to lick a beetle...but to be able to bowl Iceman on neutral lanes...with the pressure on...it would be worth getting my rental car carjacked in St. Louis and having to dodge bullets hitting the window of my hotel room. Someday Iceman. Someday that Lotto ticket is gonna hit....and then there will be some VERY generous offers to Mudpuppy and yourself...a free airline ticket...and I'll pay for all the bowling costs...just to get a chance to "educate" my brothers.

[Bunny]

Vegas, Baby. Vegas!! :cool:

[tccstudent]

I never thought I'd say this...but GOD I wish I had a reason to travel to Missouri (or near Missouri) for work sometime soon.

Normally, wanting to go to Missouri ranks just below wanting to see Montana and just above wanting to lick a beetle...but to be able to bowl Iceman on neutral lanes...with the pressure on...it would be worth getting my rental car carjacked in St. Louis and having to dodge bullets hitting the window of my hotel room. Someday Iceman. Someday that Lotto ticket is gonna hit....and then there will be some VERY generous offers to Mudpuppy and yourself...a free airline ticket...and I'll pay for all the bowling costs...just to get a chance to "educate" my brothers.

Hey I want in on some of the action too.

[Aslan]

Vegas, Baby. Vegas!! :cool:

2 WEEKS!!

- Aslan's FIRST trip to Vegas (ever).
- Aslan gets a less from the one and only Rob Mautner.
- Aslan gets to dominate his Vegas Sweeps league and win some cash (hopefully).