JUST FOR THE FUN OF IT, GOING 14lbs

[MICHAEL]

Its time to try the Tyrone, theory! Tyrone is a guy that is built like a football linebacker, almost as big a Iceman lol... but much younger!! He swears by the theory that a 14lb ball is what took him to the 225 average he carries now! I have bowled against him a half dozen times! Last time was two summers ago when I just started bowling sanctioned leages, it was a two person league, me and my wife!

Long story short, we both had an outstanding first game 279 each!! LOL This is no shirt!!!! He went on to beat my series, but we were close! It was a 4 game league, and I had a 951, as I rembember its posted below, but I can't see it as I am typing!

He said that his average went UP 20 to 25 pins when he switched from a 15lb ball to a 14lb er!!

He has great re'vs, and stands far left, and shoots around the third to center arrow! He could easily throw a 20lb ball,, lol,,, but said it was the perfect match for him, and many of his friends that he converted.

It will be interesting to see how this experiment turns out.

I am plugging at the very moment the Freight Train that I gave my wife for Christmas, 14lber! It has never worked for her, and does not use it! To much kick at the end for her! It was drilled with the pin up and centered between the middle finger and pinky!

I am getting her a new ball (((that she dosent' know about, and hope to surprise her Sunday, by having it in her bowling bag)))) (:) "don't tell please" lol
she will be getting a ball that according to my frined James at BP Proshop will work when the lanes break down, and she can't move enough to make it work with th
hy road purple beast, or fire road. Her new ball will be the Storm tropical breeze,,, her favorite color red and what ever... (:)

I know the fright train is one of Columbia's top balls a year ago,,,, so I will put it to the test and get back with my thoughts on 14 verse 15 verse 16

[Aslan]

My pro shop guy recommended the Tropical Breeze for me but I chose the Frantic instead. I thought the Frantic would have a bit more hook potential than the Tropical Breeze with not much more cost. Plus, with the FreakNFrantic being released, the Frantic was slightly down in price. I like to get balls just when they get discontinued or a new/improved version comes out...usually can get them a bit cheaper.

I currently throw a 15lb, but my "splits" ball is a 14lb. I actually like the 14lb ball for the control. I rarely ever miss my mark with it. The downside is that if I use it for strikes or even 5 to 10 pin spares (yes...I've had to shoot at my fair share of 10 pin spares...embarassment)...it doesn't seem to have the same "kick". It seems to bounce a little more off the pins rather than power through them. But..that may be that it's an old urethane ball...conventional drill...might just not be putting the same revolutions/release...I don't know.

I've bought a couple 16lb balls recently...just to give em a try. But when I finally get my "dream ball" (Mystic Aura)...I actually think I'm gonna go 14lb...especially after reading about your success.

[MICHAEL]

My pro shop guy recommended the Tropical Breeze for me but I chose the Frantic instead. I thought the Frantic would have a bit more hook potential than the Tropical Breeze with not much more cost. Plus, with the FreakNFrantic being released, the Frantic was slightly down in price. I like to get balls just when they get discontinued or a new/improved version comes out...usually can get them a bit cheaper.

I currently throw a 15lb, but my "splits" ball is a 14lb. I actually like the 14lb ball for the control. I rarely ever miss my mark with it. The downside is that if I use it for strikes or even 5 to 10 pin spares (yes...I've had to shoot at my fair share of 10 pin spares...embarassment)...it doesn't seem to have the same "kick". It seems to bounce a little more off the pins rather than power through them. But..that may be that it's an old urethane ball...conventional drill...might just not be putting the same revolutions/release...I don't know.

I've bought a couple 16lb balls recently...just to give em a try. But when I finally get my "dream ball" (Mystic Aura)...I actually think I'm gonna go 14lb...especially after reading about your success.

Remember it was not my success, but a guy I bowl against now and then... Tyrone! He swear by it.... and like you and me I am very comfortable with 15 and 16!
The ball I won is a 16 and had a 700 with it after having the trigrip system installed.

I doing this not out of need, but just to experiment, and see how throwing a super light ball reacts with my style of bowling...

The Tri-Grip, was not used on the 725 I just threw,,, its actually one of my older balls, almost 3years old, that I pulled out of moth-balls.... (:)

It's been working great,, and its 15lbs....

You know the more I grow, and learn about bowling techniques, ,, there is NO REPLACEMENT for good bowling skills, over quality of balls.

KNOWLEDGE is KING!! IMHO!!

[dnhoffman]

Not sure how it really helps.

[MICHAEL]

Not sure how it really helps.

I am testing the physics of bowling with a lighter ball. Sure a better experiment would be to have 3 of the same balls, drilled the same way, other then the fact that they were 14, 15, and 16.

Maybe bowlingboardcom would send me 3 of the same brand to truly test the difference,, I could even make a film of it, and show the difference if any! (:)

Hey Dnhoffman,,, I am a curious guy! LOL

[MICHAEL]

Please send me 3 new balls, I will pay to have them drilled the same exact way by my local Pro shop... Let's settle once and for all the difference weight makes but setting up a controlled scientific experiment!

Any brand, jus so they are the same identical balls! I will film them and make commits as to how they feel, and the rest will be on video. I will also have Jason the bowling God,,, throw all three, and he can give his opinion!

Jason mr 300's/800s can throw anyone's ball due to his unique style, and grip! I have seen him throw a coconut down the lanes and get a 200 plus game!

One league, last week while bowling with Jason his balls were not working, so he started using a teammates ball,,, (it was the new Hy road on the right lanes, and my IQ pearl on the left lane. He actually got strikes with both balls, and stuck with them.

You talk about the TRI-GRIP, Nothing to compare to the JASON, DUDE, GRIP!! I have never seen a ball that he can't throw, no matter how it was drilled!

So lets make it so,,,, we will film it, and make commits as to the DIFFERANCE between 3 of the same brand and make of balls, only difference would be the WEIGHT, and ICEMAN, and THE DUDE throwing the ball!

We will do this experiment at NO ,,,, NONE,, , 0 charge for our labor!!

Drop Iceman, and The Dude a line when the balls will be arriving so we can set this all up!!

It's for the better good of bowling and humanity, lets do this!

p.s. no charge to iceman and the dude for the experimental balls give for the sole purpose of answering the question does size matter!

[Mike White]

I am testing the physics of bowling with a lighter ball. Sure a better experiment would be to have 3 of the same balls, drilled the same way, other then the fact that they were 14, 15, and 16.

Maybe bowlingboardcom would send me 3 of the same brand to truly test the difference,, I could even make a film of it, and show the difference if any! (:)

Hey Dnhoffman,,, I am a curious guy! LOL

All other things being equal the heavier ball will deflect less.

With the modern bowling ball being so strong, some styles (i.e. big hook players) may not achieve enough deflection for the ball to follow an optimum path thru the pins. Usually leaving a 9 pin for right handers. The same throw with a lighter ball will have more, and potentially the optimum amount, of deflection.

[MICHAEL]

All other things being equal the heavier ball will deflect less.

With the modern bowling ball being so strong, some styles (i.e. big hook players) may not achieve enough deflection for the ball to follow an optimum path thru the pins. Usually leaving a 9 pin for right handers. The same throw with a lighter ball will have more, and potentially the optimum amount, of deflection.



there is a movement from a group of 14lb thrower's! They swear that the 14lb ball is what took them up their 225/230 averages! Now this one guy in particular, is built like a Cheif's line backer, and can throw any weight! He use to throw a 16lber, until he found out how much better HE COULD bowl with the 14!

So I wonder,,, is less deflection the whole story??? In his case time after time,,, since the change his average has been strong,,, he stands way left, (he is a right handed bowler), and shoot the center, to 3rd arrow most of the time.

So what your saying is what I THOUGHT was a bad thing! Deflection of the first ball is a GOOD THING? And yes he is a crankier, with 425 rev's..... !

If you have a different style of bowling more down and in,,, like say: standing at 10 and shooting 10 also, with medium/high revs, and medium high speed, is a heavier ball better then a lighter one? In other words, LESS DEFLECTION is better, and thus going heavier might be advantageous ???

This could be an interesting experiment,,, Jason being a cranker, big rev's delivery, and Iceman a tweener with medium high speed!

[noeymc]

i read something about 8 months ago stating that 14 lb is the new 15lb but if you look at that the stats on the bowling balls 15 is the highest performing balls

[vdubtx]

ICEMAN, one thing to keep in mind with changing weights on bowling balls, you will certainly be toying with your timing which could lead to some frustrating times on the lanes.

[MICHAEL]

ICEMAN, one thing to keep in mind with changing weights on bowling balls, you will certainly be toying with your timing which could lead to some frustrating times on the lanes.

Good point, but I will not have a problem with that. I have 16s, and 15s now, and change effortlessly between the two weights...
Hey I was a History/Science major in College, and loved Physical physics,,, Not theoretical math end of it, but the mechanical! I was fascinated with the
nature of such things as leverage, and pulleys, and how they effect work loads!

Bowling has a lot to do with leverage, arm leagth, path of travel, point of release, position of wrist, angle of wrist,,, ect ect
I must admit, its my second love, next to my wife!! :rolleyes:

[MICHAEL]

Saturday evening James called, and the Freight Train 14lber that was my wife's, will be ready for our league Monday night. I can't wait to see the high end Columbia ball go down the lane! So that I did not have to plug the finger holes, only the thumb, the pin will be up, and center between fingers where my wife had it located.

The Freight Train was just not the right ball for her, way to much snap at the end. I think some of that had to do with her ball speed, I would notice that going into the third game many times, she would get a little tired, and her Fire Road/ Hy Road, would break Brooklyn also...

She will be getting a big surprise tonight, I put the new Tropical Breeze in her 3 ball bag, replacing the much older matte finish cyclone! (:)

[e-tank]

looking forward to this scientific test

[MICHAEL]

Will not be a scientific test! LOL.... I have not received the 3 identical balls, with the difference only being the weight! I will be getting the Freight Train that was my wife's, now mine, 14lb's, tonight for league. I will give a report as to my thoughts on how it handles the fresh oil at our lanes tonight! I will throw a 16, the beatdown, a 15 the nano pearl, and 14 the freight train! Unless one is working exceptionally well, in which case I will stick with it!! LOL

I did surpise her with a new cheery flavored torpical Breeze... (she needed a weaker ball), and now she has one!

[WolfGirl1980]

Hey Michael long time no see I am going 14 pound also except your going down in weight and I am going up. For my birthday in November I am going to either a 14 pound Motiv Venom Toxin or a Motiv Tribal I have to wait and see which one my coach recommends for between the two.

[MICHAEL]

Hey Michael long time no see I am going 14 pound also except your going down in weight and I am going up. For my birthday in November I am going to either a 14 pound Motiv Venom Toxin or a Motiv Tribal I have to wait and see which one my coach recommends for between the two.

Hi WolfGirl,,, I am not really going down..lol My wife has a ball I gave her for Christmas, the Freight Train by Columbia, and it has been way to aggressive for her, and consequently never used it but a few times.... She knows about my quest for knowledge, Truth, and justice, the American way,,, and said take it my love!

I wanted a 14lb'er, just to see the difference between, 16, 15, and 14.

I did get her another ball, and snuck it into her bag, for the Thursday night league! Tropical breeze cheery flavored! She needed a good ball to compliment her
Fire Road, and newest ball the purple Hy-Road Grape flavored ball. Now she has it.... surprise,,, surprise,,,

I could not take her Christmas gift, and give her nothing in return.... It's just what she needed for when the lanes start to break down, or on medium dry conditions.

I did pull The Freight Train out last night in league, just to see how it works for me, and I must say it felt VERY, VERY light!! I think it was half way down the lane before it actually touched the lane, and way to much speed... lol

I need to control the lightness of the ball, and slow it down quite a bite. It's too early to draw a conclusion yet on my evaluation... I might get out this weekend and throw some practice games... It feels different, not in a bad way, but much different then the 16...

To be perfectly honest, I think I have WAY TOO MANY BOWLING BALLS at the present time! Different weights, and grips,,, symmetrical, asymmetrical,,, wow... way to many choices....

I said to myself last night on league, with 5 fricken balls,,, TOO MUCH!! I have at the present time over 15 bowling balls.... most dv8 and storm!

I feel like the person that starves to death, with a whole table full of food... CAN'T make up ones mind what to eat,,, and in the delima, and undecision, starves to death.

Only difference being I have soooooo many good, excellent balls now,,, which ones to take, sticking with it, (a few balls), and learn to master them, rather then thinking changing balls, will cure any problem I am having...

I need help..... LOL... It's mind boggling having so many balls....they are like my children,,, I love them all the same,, and each in their own way! But I have to choose only 3 and a spare ball to take with me from now on!!

You ask why? Because I jump between balls way too much! How do I know this you ask,,, my friends see it, and advise me to seek help!! LOL (:)

[Hammer]

Back in the old days of rubber balls 16lb balls were the one to get. Once the balls started to change to urethane, reactive resin and solids and have the big cores put in them 14, 15 and 16 lb were all okay for carry. I read this in Bowling This Month magazine. I have a 14lb Blue Hammer urethane and I have no trouble stringing strikes. My highest game was in the 240s. The only time this ball will have trouble with carry is when I start to add arm muscle to the shot then I will leave 7 and 10 pins. I take the muscle out of it and let the ball swing on it's own it hits the pins like a wrecking ball. You would think that adding muscle to it would be the better way. I have better balance in my slide when I let the ball do the work to the release. I bowl on THS patterns by the way so I know it works good there. I am only 5'6" tall and 153 pounds so I am definitely not a big guy. More like Norm Duke with a stroker swing.

[JaMau24]

When the lanes get dry, it may benefit to get out that new 14 lb freight train, because as you said, you can throw it harder.

[MICHAEL]

When the lanes get dry, it may benefit to get out that new 14 lb freight train, because as you said, you can throw it harder.

Good point, and like minds think a like!! LOL... I will have tomorrow night, we shall see bud!!! What a team we have,,,, I would put 100,000.00 on us winning that league again!! We should be called the undefeatables!! LOL

Later bud!!!

[JaMau24]

Good point, and like minds think a like!! LOL... I will have tomorrow night, we shall see bud!!! What a team we have,,,, I would put 100,000.00 on us winning that league again!! We should be called the undefeatables!! LOL

Later bud!!!

undefeataBOWLS rather ;)