USBC New Awards Policy is POO!

[Aslan]

I checked out the website. It kinda blows that they are going to stop doing the annual thing in favor of a "lifetime" ring. I mean, it's sad for two reasons:

1) It's the final nail in the coffin of the sport being "too easy". Now, even the sports governing body is admitting that the sport has become so much easier…it's really not that much of an accomplishment anymore…so why waste resources rewarding it.
2) The USBC states it's because, "they want to focus resources elsewhere"…like where?? First they stopped "verifying" 300 games because there were too many. Then they stopped making the rewards as valuable. Then they stopped giving multiple ones per year. Now they are going to one per lifetime. So where are the resources being redirected?

And they are completely getting rid of 11 strikes in a row!!? Why? Were the plastic slabs getting too expensive as well?? :mad:

Listen, if they want to go to one award per lifetime because it's getting to be too easy…despite the fact that it is ultimately THEIR FAULT it has gotten too easy…fine. Give a gold ring with a diamond in it for the first one and thats that. But to give a $40 metal ring…once…I mean, come on.

The only "good" thing to come of it (in my opinion) is they claim they will still have special recognition for every 300 bowled at a USBC Open…which "might" push more bowlers to get into tournament play.

Any opinions?

[MICHAEL]

I am not sure its THAT easy! I have had many good bowlers, that have bowled for over 30 years, come up to me and say they have never bowled a 300 game! I will grant you it is easier, but I would not go so far as to say its a (So EASY)!



I think the BIG PROBLEM IS mainly the volume, NUMBER of bowlers has dwindled considerably!!!! The money coming into the USBC is WAY Down!

The Cosmic bowlers are not sanctioned, and that seems to be the trend in many places! So its a double edged sword!

Less bowlers, and of that dwindling number of bowlers, the Cosmic's are not paying USBC sanctioned fees!!

I will believe that it is getting REAL easy, when I turn on my computer, and see your first 300, 800 series! LOL...:p

Hang in there Aslan!!! I have faith that you WILL GET ONE,,,,, (maybe not before Iceman passes on into a liquid state, but it will happen, (I had a dream with you standing there holding up your left hand, over your head, with a huge ring that went around your wrist, not your finger!) It had a flashing neon 300 in the middle of that wrist-ring. This will happen Aslan!!!

[Aslan]

Your lack of confidence in my soon-to-be awesomeness is only allowed…because I will never be as good as you. I may someday be as good as Pete Weber…but not Iceman. Granted, I'll probably win at least 3 USBC open titles before Iceman bowls something other than a THS shot…but thats not the point here.

My point Iceman…is that while it's not "easy"…the USBC itself has stated that it's done 50,000 times per year. Thats more than 10x the amount thrown in the 60s-70s. And add to that…the numbers of sanctioned bowlers are DOWN…so less bowlers, FAR more 300 games = easier.

Is it the balls? Is it the oil patterns? Is it steroids? < ------ have you SEEN Iceman's photo!?? It doesn't matter. It's easier. So now…when the mighty Aslan finally DOES bowl his 300 game…he'll get a plastic ring and a congratulations note scribbled on the back of a bar napkin…and will probably have to pay shipping and handling.

And here's a side-issue. I think the USBC is making league play more expensive because now a lot of the centers/alleys that run the leagues are going to start having to pay for awards that used to be free/paid for by dues. League bowlers are going to still expect the recognition for something like 11-in a row…so the leagues will start buying those things and passing the price on to the members. Hypothetically anyways.

Whatever. I actually hope I DON'T roll a 300…seriously, because if I do…I'd consider it such a momentous occasion…that I'd pay the $875 for the 14k ring, the extra $25 for the different design, and the extra $60 for the diamond-looking pin. And yeah…since I'm not a retired Iron worker…I ain't got that kinda cash. I need my annual bonus to fix my car air conditioner and get my bike a new tire and a tune-up.

And rather than start a whole new thread…since we're talking awards here…does anyone know if you can win the 11 in a row award if you bowl the 11 AFTER the first frame?? Or is it just 11 straight and then <10 in the 12th?

[J Anderson]

And rather than start a whole new thread…since we're talking awards here…does anyone know if you can win the 11 in a row award if you bowl the 11 AFTER the first frame?? Or is it just 11 straight and then <10 in the 12th?

As far as I know 11 in a row is 11 in a row. It doesn't matter if it's the first 11 or the last 11 as long as they are all in the same game. The USBC does not recognize Varipapa 300s ( any 12 strikes in a row ) so they certainly wouldn't give an award for having 6 in a row at the end of one game followed by 5 in a row at the start of the next.

[tccstudent]

The 11 in a row honor score is going bye bye There will no longer be a plaque for throwing 11 in a row. I dont think it will even be submitted anymore to go on your bowl.com awards page.

Aslan what you are talking about is called the 11 in a row second ball (as it would be listed on the awards page of bowl.com) yes this was a valid award

[mike_thomas93]

Well to me, I have to agree on the sport being "too easy" with the simple house patterns. I'd prefer to bowl on just sport shot patterns just to get better. I would say they should just have bowling alleys slap sport shot conditions from now on. Or maybe like slap house shots on for like when there are family nights and stuff. For the not so experienced bowlers. Perhaps maybe putting sport shot patterns down for leagues and stuff. Instead of just heavy house patterns. But that's just me, agree or disagree with me if you want. I'm just spreading my word of opinion.

[tccstudent]

I love bowling on sport shots and some kiegel challenge patterns some of the kiegal shots are too close to house shots for me.

While I love bowling on these shots and everyone says they want to bowl on those shots when it comes time to sign up for these leagues there is generally low enrollment. Most league bowlers want that nice easy just throw it out there and it will automatically come back to the pocket THS. They dont want to join a PBA league cause it will hurt their average too much and actually make them think about their shots.

The fact is with these new balls it has became easier to score and USBC has been taking a hit in recent years by having to give many bowlers a 300 and a 800 ring every year. I can agree to a lifetime award but since it will a lifetime award lets make the rings a little nicer. Taking away all the other awards that are going away I dont agree with. It is now up to the local USBC on whether to give out the key chains or pins anymore if the local wants to order it then you may get them For the experienced bowlers most dont care about these anyways but I think they are needed for the newer bowlers to have something to work up to.

[striker12]

i hope they don't do this in canada because we are not USBC, we are CTF

[circlecity]

It all started with synthetic lanes.

Didn't they also change the pins at some point?

[e-tank]

im just posting to comment on the crazy post to view ratio

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The lurkers are strong in this thread lol

[dnhoffman]

im just posting to comment on the crazy post to view ratio

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The lurkers are strong in this thread lol

Wow! I didn't know this site got that kind of traffic...

[sprocket]

It all started with synthetic lanes.

Didn't they also change the pins at some point?

The pins where changed to include one or two voids in the 60's I believe. Pins became heavier over time as advancements were made in the manufacturing process. Solid pins originally weighed 3 lb 5oz then in 1947 pins started being laminated out of several pieces of wood. The glue increased the pin weight slightly. By 1954 pins had both a plastic coating and a plastic base which increased the pin weight to 3 lb 8 oz, then in 1961 the neck size was increased which increased the pin weight another oz.

I swear I used to have info on what happened after that but I can't find the info now. The neck size was increased in 1961 and the voids were added after that. If memory serves me this decreased the pin weight to 3 lb 2 oz and that was the lightest pins ever were. I believe pins are actually HEAVIER now than they used to be weighing up to 3 lb 10 oz.

[e-tank]

Wow! I didn't know this site got that kind of traffic...

Its up to 14k now. Its either some kind of glitch or aslan is a marketing wiz with his title making

[Rdmonster]

Threads with Poo in the title always get lots of looks !!!

[got_a_300]

I have to agree on the sport being "too easy" with the simple house patterns. I'd prefer to bowl on just sport shot patterns just to get better.

Ok everyone come on down and bowl on our house shot if everyone thinks
the THS is so easy now days, we have one of the hardest shots in the state
so there is no easy shots here LOL!!!!

We might if we're lucky have 2 or 3 sanctioned 300 games per season and
sometimes we don't even have a 300 game bowled during the season and
we've only had something like 6 or less sanctioned 800 series over a 40+
year period that the center has been open.

We have quite a few excellent bowlers around here and a couple of ex-PBA
regional members and even they struggle with the shot here.

The next closest center that is about 90+ miles away round trip that has a
sport shot league and several of the bowlers that make the trip there carry
a higher average on the sport shot than they do on our THS so that really
says something to me about our shot.

[bowl1820]

Its up to 14k now. Its either some kind of glitch or aslan is a marketing wiz with his title making

All the views are do to the search engines crawlers and bots, also spammer bots scan the threads also harvesting information and checking for for the threads they post.

That's also why when you look at the whos online and see 100's of guests and 50-60-70 users, virtually all of those are search engine bots and banned spammers.

[vdubtx]

Just came by to see what the guy with a 130 something average had to say about awards and see he's going on again about the game being too easy. SMH.

[circlecity]

Wow! I didn't know this site got that kind of traffic...

Probably spam and comment bots. About 75% of all traffic are bots.

[Aslan]

i hope they don't do this in canada because we are not USBC, we are CTF
Most people in the US forget that Canada exists; so I wouldn't worry about it. joking.


Its up to 14k now. Its either some kind of glitch or aslan is a marketing wiz with his title making
Why do you think Bowl1820 couldn't convince the site administrator to perm-ban me? I literally bring 13,000 views to this site just by me being me. You're welcome.


All the views are do to the search engines crawlers and bots, also spammer bots scan the threads also harvesting information and checking for for the threads they post.

That's also why when you look at the whos online and see 100's of guests and 50-60-70 users, virtually all of those are search engine bots and banned spammers.
OR…OR…it's because I'm awesome and people want to read what I write.


Just came by to see what the guy with a 130 something average had to say about awards and see he's going on again about the game being too easy. SMH.
Ahhh….here we go! I forgot…vdub believes that there should be some minimum average before members are allowed to post. My bad. But…what was the magic number again. I'm up to 138…just wanna get the official number so I don't waste my time. It'll be good…give me something to shoot for!!

But seriously…the reason why us ***t bowlers care about this; while the likes of vdub and Iceman may not…is that some of us are just starting to get into bowling more seriously…and our "awards" are soon to be coming. For those that have 11 rings in their sock drawer…I doubt they care much. But for those of us that still take a great deal of pride in even coming close to bowling a 300 game…it'd be nice if by the time we do it…it's still an accomplishment worth recognition.

vdub got me off topic with his antics…I feel like Randy Peterson distracted by a fan…okay, back on target….

What about THIS idea!??

How bout give out an unlimited number of $40 selenium/whatever junk rings for any accomplishment bowled on THS shots (sanctioned). They could keep track of the centers that are winning more than other centers (on average) and perhaps raise the fees for that center accordingly to offset the statistical difference between their center and an "average" center.

Then…the USBC gives out actual gold rings for bowlers that bowl 300/800/900/etc… games on sport shots or USBC/PBA patterns.

This would still allow the everyday bowlers to get "some" recognition for bowling 300s/800s etc… even if it's on easier conditions. But it wouldn't pinch the USBC in terms of cost. And it would provide some incentive to "easy" bowling centers to maybe toughen things up a bit to keep from paying extra money to the USBC. AND…it provides incentives to bowlers who have gotten their "rink dink" awards to maybe step it up and bowl on tougher patterns or in tournaments where the awards could be quite valuable.

I mean if you're a professional like Bowl1820, or vdub, or Iceman…or even the "unsanctioned wonder" ZDawg (joking)…wouldn't you give it a "little" more consideration to start bowling on sport patterns or even talking your center into starting a sport pattern league if you KNOW you're capable of bowling a 300 game and doing so on that tougher pattern could win you a $500 gold ring versus the aluminum one that you've already won 12 times???

And I still think this will add cost to leagues/centers…which I think I'm allowed to comment on despite me low average…because I think the burden of awarding things like 11 in a row will now fall on the leagues/centers. Not sure…just have a feeling it will.

[vdubtx]

Ahhh….here we go! I forgot…vdub believes that there should be some minimum average before members are allowed to post. My bad. But…what was the magic number again. I'm up to 138…just wanna get the official number so I don't waste my time. It'll be good…give me something to shoot for!!

But seriously…the reason why us ***t bowlers care about this; while the likes of vdub and Iceman may not…is that some of us are just starting to get into bowling more seriously…and our "awards" are soon to be coming. For those that have 11 rings in their sock drawer…I doubt they care much. But for those of us that still take a great deal of pride in even coming close to bowling a 300 game…it'd be nice if by the time we do it…it's still an accomplishment worth recognition.

vdub got me off topic with his antics…I feel like Randy Peterson distracted by a fan…okay, back on target….


Nope, never said or implied that anyone of any average wasn't "allowed" to post. I just feel that if you are a bowler that you at least back up the game you seem to know SO much about. If you put as much effort into improving your game with some of the comments you throw out here about form and ball reaction etc. than you do posting your epic long posts, you would surely be a 160+ bowler by now. Many of your comments are full of knowledge and they do make sense, just put them into your game and you can improve by leaps and bounds.

Not even going to go into the subject you brought up about Sport patterns as that has been hashed over too many times.

Hope everyone had a Merry Christmas! You too Aslan(not joking). :cool:

[dnhoffman]

Just came by to see what the guy with a 130 something average had to say about awards and see he's going on again about the game being too easy. SMH.

Pro tip for you: the ignore list function has vastly improved my bowlingboards.com experience.

One quick ignore of Asslan, and suddenly I find threads relevant, contributors actually sensical, and don't have to waste tons of time scrolling past his essay length posts of 100% brain-damaging dribble.

I know why you haven't ignore listed him yet - you're probably like I was, and feel like you owe it to warn the general public who might read his posts and actually follow his terrible advice; but you know... You can't fix stupid.

[e-tank]

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All the views are do to the search engines crawlers and bots, also spammer bots scan the threads also harvesting information and checking for for the threads they post.

That's also why when you look at the whos online and see 100's of guests and 50-60-70 users, virtually all of those are search engine bots and banned spammers.

Ah i see. Thanks for clearing it up

[zdawg]

I mean if you're a professional like Bowl1820, or vdub, or Iceman…or even the "unsanctioned wonder" ZDawg (joking)….

Hey hey now, I do bowl in a sanctioned league:p

[e-tank]

Its okay aslan, ill make you a ring if its that important to you <3

[Aslan]

If you put as much effort into improving your game with some of the comments you throw out here about form and ball reaction etc. than you do posting your epic long posts, you would surely be a 160+ bowler by now.

Actually…I already am. My sanctioned average is 162.

My "lifetime average" is 138. But that is over 500 games bowled over 2 decades. The first 200 as a casual 2-times a year bowler. The last 300 have been since August and have brought my average from 121 to 138. So quick arithmetic would point to an average 149 over the last 300 games over the last 5 months.

Also, in my defense, realize that I have bowled in 8 different centers over those 5 months. Primarily at 2 different centers. And those 2 different centers were complete opposites in terms of conditions. One was wood lanes, one was about as slick a heavy oil synthetic that you'll ever find. It took me 8-10 weeks to learn about "lane conditions" and how to change the way I throw to adapt. I only mention this because the VAST majority of folks that bowl will ONLY bowl at 1 center. They might do 2 leagues, maybe 3 leagues even…but rarely will they alternate centers. So I feel thats kept my average a bit low. On the flip side, I feel the wood lane center has artificially propped my average up a bit since it's a condition that tends to lead to higher scores.

And yes…I'm "wordy".

But, my goals going into my first league(s) (I joined 2 within one week) was a 190 book/sanctioned average by he end of March, and to throw clean games…a 525+ series each night, and hopefully help my team win. I also set the goal of bowling in the ABT Spring Nationals in April 2014.

However….that "may" have been a bit aggressive. I've decided to maybe postpone doing the ABT tournament(s) until I carry a 193+ sanctioned average and focus more on the local USBC tournaments instead. If I can maintain an average of 157+…I think I can be competitive at the local level. But as far as the USBC Open or the ABT tournaments…I really need to be capable of bowling in the high 700s (series) to be competitive…and those tournaments can run a week…which means vacation time, hotel costs, $200+ in entry fees…so maybe put that goal on hold for a bit.

Besides…I really look at playing in tournaments as just an "experience" thing for now. I just like to bowl in different environments, different conditions/situations. The ABT is nice because it's big prize money and you're not up against professionals. But it's also costly and complicated to figure out with all kinds of "side pots" and "mega pots" and "bonus pots". The USBC is less costly and less complicated…but once you get to the state level and the national level…you're bowling against ball rep pros and PBA pros.

But…vdub is right…not even something to "fret" about at this point. I like to have "goals"…thats all. I don't think it hurts to aim high.

[Aslan]

Pro tip for you: the ignore list function has vastly improved my bowlingboards.com experience.

Ahh…my ole buddy. A quick post holiday stop to swear, name call, and insult.

But…I will agree with ole Hoff…the ignore function is awesome…because I can respond to his attacks and he can't read it!!!

Granted, I tend to follow the forum rules a bit more closely than he does so I refrain from insults and profanity…it would be more fun if I didn't…but it's a family site so I try to keep that in mind.

But yes, good advice. The "ignore function' essentially allows grown men to play that 5-year old game where you close your eyes, put your fingers in your ears and yell "I can't see you, I can't hear you, you don't exist!!" And it allows other grown men to respond with, "I'm not touching you…look, I'm not touching you."

Good Times. :rolleyes:

[Aslan]

Hey hey now, I do bowl in a sanctioned league:p

Wait…did I get you mixed up with e-tank??? DOHT!!!

Thats the second time I did that. Earlier in the month I got Jaescrub and Jaemau mixed up.

Wait…if you're in San Diego…why didn't Iceman allow you a chance to step up and take e-tank's place in the "Aslan/E-Tank California Challenge" that he created. That might be a much more equal battle than me vs. Mike White. He's like a 1/2 professional…or 3/4 professional.

[Stormed1]

RANT on
Is the house shot too easy? In far too many centers the answer is YES> Have balls become too powerfull? Yes and No. Are there too many award scores today? H#LL YES. As a prine example in 1990 when I shot my 805 there were around 3500 across the nation. There was at least that number if not more just in the Chicago area last year.One of the main problems creating the decline of bowling in my opinion is THS> Back in the day you neede to practice to be good. Now days all you need is ta new Hook monster spped and revs and bounce it off the bumper.Sport leagues don't do well because people can't check their egos at the door. They find out they are not as good as they thing they are because they stop having 15 boards to hit and still strike. Plus spare shooting becomes much more important and the average bowler of today sucks at spare shooting
Rant off

[Stormed1]

Just as an example in my Friday morning senior league. We have had 3 300's and 2 299's in the last 2 weeks

[zdawg]

Wait…did I get you mixed up with e-tank??? DOHT!!!

Thats the second time I did that. Earlier in the month I got Jaescrub and Jaemau mixed up.

Wait…if you're in San Diego…why didn't Iceman allow you a chance to step up and take e-tank's place in the "Aslan/E-Tank California Challenge" that he created. That might be a much more equal battle than me vs. Mike White. He's like a 1/2 professional…or 3/4 professional.

LOL, I'd be open to the challenge at some point. You might have to spot me a few pins based on our USBC averages, but other than that I'd say it would be an interesting challenge

[e-tank]

LOL, I'd be open to the challenge at some point. You might have to spot me a few pins based on our USBC averages, but other than that I'd say it would be an interesting challenge

Whew thanks for picking of the slack zdawg. I had to resign for fear Aslan would expose me and my unsanctioned scores, then banish me from the lanes forever

[Aslan]

RANT on
Is the house shot too easy? In far too many centers the answer is YES> Have balls become too powerfull? Yes and No. Are there too many award scores today? H#LL YES. As a prine example in 1990 when I shot my 805 there were around 3500 across the nation. There was at least that number if not more just in the Chicago area last year.One of the main problems creating the decline of bowling in my opinion is THS> Back in the day you neede to practice to be good. Now days all you need is ta new Hook monster spped and revs and bounce it off the bumper.Sport leagues don't do well because people can't check their egos at the door. They find out they are not as good as they thing they are because they stop having 15 boards to hit and still strike. Plus spare shooting becomes much more important and the average bowler of today sucks at spare shooting
Rant off

Yeah, but as the distinguished vdub and dhoff would point out…you're just a 160-170 average bowler…so ya can't really say things are "too easy". If they were "too easy"…wouldn't you average 290??

But kidding aside…I LOVE STORMED1!! I agree 100%!!

[Aslan]

LOL, I'd be open to the challenge at some point. You might have to spot me a few pins based on our USBC averages, but other than that I'd say it would be an interesting challenge

Well…if people would publish their USBC averages…we could compare and set up a suitable handicap (if necessary).

On my lanes, my average is currently 162. However, on any other lanes, my average is more in the 138 region. But I'd be open to the challenge. Just gotta figure out how to tape it to entertain all these fellas/ladies.

[zdawg]

Well…if people would publish their USBC averages…we could compare and set up a suitable handicap (if necessary).

On my lanes, my average is currently 162. However, on any other lanes, my average is more in the 138 region. But I'd be open to the challenge. Just gotta figure out how to tape it to entertain all these fellas/ladies.

Mines a lowly 129 right now, but it went up 3 pins last week. Our league halfway point is next Friday, so I expect it to go up quite a bit in the second half of the season. It does change almost weekly, but usually only 1-2 pins at a time.

I do tend to bowl much better on the other lanes around me as well, however I don't record the scores unless I break an all time high score so I couldn't tell you what I average there.

[tccstudent]

My composite from last year is 186 I bowled two sanctioned leagues last year a THS and a PBA experience the THS was 196 and the PBA was 174. Currently this year I am averaging 193 at BA and 189 at Sheridan

[MICHAEL]

im just posting to comment on the crazy post to view ratio

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The lurkers are strong in this thread lol

I agree,,, something seems to be crazy! There are 3 posts, including one of mine that seems to many views per posts!
And not only that, but the numbers are climbing faster then the amount of people that have been on!

I have never seen posts climb this fast! It will probably be 100,000 by this week end!! and what is the post?

USBC is POO!!! LOL.... (no offense Aslan, but something weird is going on!! I have been on this site for a long time, and I have never seen anything like this at all. There are 3 that look out of sink!!! One is mine, and my 300,,, it has jumped up huge numbers! Can't be accurate!

[tccstudent]

I know that when I signed up I was immediately banned until I sent off a email asking why and I was told it was a precaution to ensure that I wasn't a bot. The numbers may be correct since it not everyone is going to send off an email asking why they were banned. I think those numbers are from nonmembers just lurking and checking out different threads that may sound interesting.

Another thing
There are currently 166 users online. 78 members and 88 guests
Most users ever online was 375, 07-23-2013 at 12:28 PM.
BowlingBoards.com StatisticsBowlingBoards.com Statistics
Threads 11,651 Posts 87,690 Members 93,952

There is almost 94000 members many who probably have never posted. There is also more guests on right now then members to support my theory mentioned above

[Aslan]

Mines a lowly 129 right now, but it went up 3 pins last week. Our league halfway point is next Friday, so I expect it to go up quite a bit in the second half of the season. It does change almost weekly, but usually only 1-2 pins at a time.

I do tend to bowl much better on the other lanes around me as well, however I don't record the scores unless I break an all time high score so I couldn't tell you what I average there.

Okay, best choice logistically is Temecula. It's a newer alley, smaller alley. It's "okay". I HAVE bowled there 2-3 times tops…and all I remember is that I didn't care for it much and my ball kept getting stuck. But, it IS probably halfway between us logistically and it's a nice place.

The next best choice is Surf Bowl in Oceanside. A better alley, bigger and more old school. But it's way more of a drive for me coming from north Orange County.

Given the average difference, I'd be willing to give you 10 pins per game…we'd roll a 3-game series. We'll flip for who gets to start and pick their lane to start on. IF you think 5 pins isn't enough…I'd be willing to give you 35 pins per game at my home center. But at a neutral lane…I'm only about 10 pins (if that) above your average.

The only question (besides are you up for it in Temecula)…is how the HECK do we video tape it?? I have an old video camera that takes 8mm tape. And I have a camera with a micro SD card. And an iPhone 4. But how can we film the whole thing?? I can edit the film using iMovie on my laptop…take out the bathroom breaks or the random times where I get shot down hitting on women…but how the hell do we tape that much material??

Any videographers out there with suggestions? I could tape it on 8mm and have it transferred. But for a simple little match like this…I aint paying $50 or whatever it'd cost to transfer video to DVD.

Worse comes to worse…we could do what I do now…and just decide on a certain frequency like "every 3 frames we video it and give a score update". But I don't want to hip Iceman and our fans!! They want to see us in all our GLORY!!

I can't do it the weekend of the Jan 25th…but first weekend of February or first weekend of March would work.

[Stormed1]

My average is where it's at due to health issues. Prior to the problem with my foot and loosing vision in my left eye I was 200+ for 20 years. 210-230 the last 10 and spent 7 years on the regional PBA midwest tour and averaged 200+ out there. Now days I bowl 6 games a week

[tccstudent]

I have been having that loss of vision in the left eye myself and it has been affecting me a little I have my second eye appt today last week It is alot better then it was last week but I can tell a noticeable drop off in sight. Im expecting to have to get some glasses

[zdawg]

Okay, best choice logistically is Temecula. It's a newer alley, smaller alley. It's "okay". I HAVE bowled there 2-3 times tops…and all I remember is that I didn't care for it much and my ball kept getting stuck. But, it IS probably halfway between us logistically and it's a nice place.

The next best choice is Surf Bowl in Oceanside. A better alley, bigger and more old school. But it's way more of a drive for me coming from north Orange County.

Given the average difference, I'd be willing to give you 10 pins per game…we'd roll a 3-game series. We'll flip for who gets to start and pick their lane to start on. IF you think 5 pins isn't enough…I'd be willing to give you 35 pins per game at my home center. But at a neutral lane…I'm only about 10 pins (if that) above your average.

The only question (besides are you up for it in Temecula)…is how the HECK do we video tape it?? I have an old video camera that takes 8mm tape. And I have a camera with a micro SD card. And an iPhone 4. But how can we film the whole thing?? I can edit the film using iMovie on my laptop…take out the bathroom breaks or the random times where I get shot down hitting on women…but how the hell do we tape that much material??

Any videographers out there with suggestions? I could tape it on 8mm and have it transferred. But for a simple little match like this…I aint paying $50 or whatever it'd cost to transfer video to DVD.

Worse comes to worse…we could do what I do now…and just decide on a certain frequency like "every 3 frames we video it and give a score update". But I don't want to hip Iceman and our fans!! They want to see us in all our GLORY!!

I can't do it the weekend of the Jan 25th…but first weekend of February or first weekend of March would work.

Temecula is agreeable, and right now I'd say tentatively the first weekend of March is probably better for me. If you want, I'll be more than happy to give you an update should my average go up significantly between now and then.

As for the video I don't know, I too use my phone to record myself when I bowl, usually just a game and you only get the back angle - having a camera on a tripod would be awesome but I don't have one. I will ask around though and see if anybody I know might have one we could borrow.

[zdawg]

Also, does anybody know how often the USBC actually adds people into their database? My league started in September, and I just trying looking myself up and I'm not there yet (I suppose this isn't suprising because it took 2 months to get our cards).

Just wondering if/when they put in your scores etc, I'm gonna guess its a while after the league has completely concluded just looking for a ballpark.

Also Aslan, my league does upload everything to myleaguesecretary.com so if you want proof of my average/etc I can give you a screen shot, pdf, or whatever to prove my average assuming the USBC site isn't updated by March.

[vdubtx]

Also, does anybody know how often the USBC actually adds people into their database? My league started in September, and I just trying looking myself up and I'm not there yet (I suppose this isn't suprising because it took 2 months to get our cards).

Just wondering if/when they put in your scores etc, I'm gonna guess its a while after the league has completely concluded just looking for a ballpark.

Also Aslan, my league does upload everything to myleaguesecretary.com so if you want proof of my average/etc I can give you a screen shot, pdf, or whatever to prove my average assuming the USBC site isn't updated by March.

Usbc won't show your average until league is over, that will then become your book average for the next bowling year.

[dnhoffman]

Some leagues have a function where you can look up averages mid season, but ya no usbc postings until the season is over. If you were in a league that's a half season they should be posted or posted soon.

[tccstudent]

One rule change that I was told about that went effective this year that I really like is now you dont bowl tournaments off of your highest average you will use your composite average.

One thing that helps me it the PBA experience league was the first PBA league this center has had and they did not certify as a certified sport shot so my that average plus my THS average make up my composite for last year thus giving me a slightly lower average for tournaments

[bowl1820]

One rule change that I was told about that went effective this year that I really like is now you dont bowl tournaments off of your highest average you will use your composite average.
Unless the tournament rules state otherwise.

The changes started in the 2012-2013 season

Rule 319 – Averages
319a. Conditions that Apply
The following conditions apply to averages in handicap or classified tournaments, unless the
tournament rules state otherwise, except that only USBC league averages shall be accepted. (See Rule
319c for average adjustment.)
1. The bowler is required to submit the previous season’s highest average of:
a) A single USBC league average based on a minimum of 21 games; or:
b) A composite average of all USBC leagues, including leagues with less than 21 games bowled.



One thing that helps me it the PBA experience league was the first PBA league this center has had and they did not certify as a certified sport shot so my that average plus my THS average make up my composite for last year thus giving me a slightly lower average for tournaments


Not certified sport? Renegade League! Legal sandbagging.

[tccstudent]

They tried to put one together for the Fall but we only had 3 teams sign up and this would of been certified. I'm sure hoping we do have one in the summer again. I really like bowling on those patterns plus they really help with spare shooting. If you can make all your spares on those shots making them on house shots is cake.

The first I heard of this new rule was at the beginning of the fall season when I was chewing the fat with the association president.

[Aslan]

Temecula is agreeable, and right now I'd say tentatively the first weekend of March is probably better for me. If you want, I'll be more than happy to give you an update should my average go up significantly between now and then.

Agreed. And no need for an average update…it's just for fun…so 10 pins per game is certainly agreeable. We'll plan on March 1st, 1:00PM, Temecula Lanes. Just north of Temecula right off the I-15. Unless we can get a better plan…we'll video every 3rd frame using my POS camera. I'll have 2 micro SD cards so I shouldn't run out of storage.


Also, does anybody know how often the USBC actually adds people into their database? My league started in September, and I just trying looking myself up and I'm not there yet (I suppose this isn't suprising because it took 2 months to get our cards).

Just wondering if/when they put in your scores etc, I'm gonna guess its a while after the league has completely concluded just looking for a ballpark.

I'm in the same boat. First league, a USBC number, but nothing on the website until the league concludes in March.

[tccstudent]

Also, does anybody know how often the USBC actually adds people into their database? My league started in September, and I just trying looking myself up and I'm not there yet (I suppose this isn't suprising because it took 2 months to get our cards).

Are you saying you aint in there at all the league you are bowling should be listed with a 0 average right now. The averages will update towards the end of the season. I have on league that is half a season that just ended two weeks ago and it should post here pretty soon.

[Aslan]

I also started in September. I was in the website once I got my card in the mail, but I just don't have an average listed. If you have a card but aren't in the system, let the USBC know. The good news is, in my interactions with them thus far, they are very responsive.

[J Anderson]

Also, does anybody know how often the USBC actually adds people into their database? My league started in September, and I just trying looking myself up and I'm not there yet (I suppose this isn't suprising because it took 2 months to get our cards).

Are you saying you aint in there at all the league you are bowling should be listed with a 0 average right now. The averages will update towards the end of the season. I have on league that is half a season that just ended two weeks ago and it should post here pretty soon.

I think new members are added to the database as soon as the paperwork is processed. Usually you can find your name out there before your card arrives in the mail. Averages don't get posted until the end of the season and how fast it gets put on the site is partly dependent on how fast your league secretary gets the info to the local USBC Manager, and how fast he turns it over to national.

However, if your league secretary posts the standings on Bowl.com, your current average as well as your team's standing are probably out there now. I couldn't remember my leagues' USBC ID numbers but I was able to find both leagues on the site. By going to http://www.bowl.com/ and putting your cursor on Bowlers and then clicking on find league standings in the drop down menu, you should be able to find your league.

[tccstudent]

However, if your league secretary posts the standings on Bowl.com, your current average as well as your team's standing are probably out there now. I couldn't remember my leagues' USBC ID numbers but I was able to find both leagues on the site. By going to http://www.bowl.com/ and putting your cursor on Bowlers and then clicking on find league standings in the drop down menu, you should be able to find your league.
I didnt know about the team standing on there but my secretary has a hard time even filling out the paperwork for awards so im pretty sure she dont do this

[bowl1820]

You can also check http://www.leaguesecretary.com/

For standings and average information if your league uploads there. Just use the center finder to find your lanes and see if they are uploading your league there.