ICEMAN IS VERY UPSET, YET on the OTHER HAND VERY HAPPY

[MICHAEL]

Fist off on our Monday Men's league, Gene, one of my teammates had his First 800 series last night! 801!! Congrats Gene! ( I think his name on here is Geno2, need to check that out) Gene is a 220 bowler and has bowled for many years, and has been close on other occasions!! A solid bowler!

What am I UPSET with??? One of the bowlers that started out with us, and quite coming, but told us to carry his average is over 60 bucks in the hole! He would say it was job related, and would be coming back soon. Well this ran into many weeks, and now he is saying he doesn't' owe anything.

Its a five man team, and now we have to pay the money he owes, out of our prize money divided by four of us!

We would have been better off having a blind, but thought he was good for his word!

What recourse it their with a lying, cheating no show!

I haven't seen him at our lanes since this all started, but he is bowing at another lane I have heard!!! Should I go find him, and Ice-***-fie-him!!

LOL.... Can his USBC Card be taken away for not paying?

Short of torture if found, WHAT CAN BE DONE WITH A DEAD BEAT BOWLER...... DBB!!!

ICEMAN STARTING TO liquefy not a good thing!!!!

[Hampe]

This is why I run thorough background checks on anyone who wants to join my team, Iceman! Background check, credit check, written referrals, urine sample......you've got to pass the test if you want to bowl with the best! ;)

[tccstudent]

Yes you can have his USBC card yanked this will keep him from bowling sanctioned leagues or tournaments in the future

[vdubtx]

ICEMAN, speak with your league secretary. There are provisions regarding exactly this in the USBC bylaws. I am sure Bowl1820 has the exact rules etc that he will post.

Found some rules:


115b/3
If a member leaves the league without notice and still owes fees, what should
an officer do?
When a member is accused of leaving the league without notice and owing fees, the league
should try to collect the owed fees prior to taking disciplinary action. Many bowlers are not
aware they may be suspended from USBC membership for nonpayment of league fees. If
payment is not received, a written complaint should be filed immediately with the board and
copied to the delinquent member. The provisions of Rule 115b must be followed.

115b/4
If a member leaves the league and is delinquent in their league fees, how many
sessions can they be charged for in accordance with Rule 115b?
According to Rule 115b, Item 1(d)(1), the bowler may not be charged for more than six (6)
sessions. Immediate action should be taken by the league upon discovering an individual is
not returning and still owes league fees.

[MICHAEL]

We will pursue this to the fullest extent of the LAW!! If we can pull his card we WILL! Thanks for the info! I heard somewhere that you can pull their card for not paying! We talked to our leage official last night, and he said we were responsible for payment! ( We beat his team last night 3 out of 4 lol ) so he was not too sympathetic to our situation!

Wow,,, Being somewhat new to bowling, this is the first time this has ever come up with a teammate Like this! A DEAD BEAT BOWLER!!! He just kept us thinking he would be good for the money! His average was not a positive for the team at all,,! I believe it was around 160! We would have been better off just going blind,,,, wow live and learn!!

[MICHAEL]

ICEMAN, speak with your league secretary. There are provisions regarding exactly this in the USBC bylaws. I am sure Bowl1820 has the exact rules etc that he will post.

Found some rules:

Thanks for the info vdubtx! So is the team he is on responsible for payment? Or the whole league? I am guessing its the remainding four of us.

[vdubtx]

Not sure about if the team is responsible or not. Well, from the prize money that the team gets you can take the part he is owed from his portion of the money's. He would still be eligible for the prize money that he bowled for. Just prorate his portion and be done with it.

[Mudpuppy]

...come talking that trash we'll pull your card...

[zdawg]

...come talking that trash we'll pull your card...

knowing nothing in life but to be legit...

oops, thought this was a sing a long :p

[Mudpuppy]

knowing nothing in life but to be legit...

oops, thought this was a sing a long :p

Don't quote me boy I ain't said...............

lol - campfire sing along

[Stormed1]

The team is responsible for the shortage. Most leagues nowdays have a maximum a team can be short before they have to forfiet games

[bowl1820]

Not sure about if the team is responsible or not. Well, from the prize money that the team gets you can take the part he is owed from his portion of the money's. He would still be eligible for the prize money that he bowled for. Just prorate his portion and be done with it.

Going by the information given, The player who left would not be eligible for any prize monies. Because he improperly withdrew from the league.

And if he left owing money, typically the league would try to recover the money from the player and if they can't the league would take steps to have their card pulled.

And any monies owed the league by the team would be deducted from their prize money.

Rule 114 – Withdrawals/Resignations
114a. Procedure for Withdrawing
Members of a league may withdraw from a league during a season.
1. If a team or individual must withdraw, the following procedure is to be followed:
a. Two weeks notice must be given along with sufficient cause for resigning.
1) A team shall give notice to the league secretary.
2) A member resigning from a team shall give notice to the captain and the
league secretary.
b. The resigning member(s) must pay league fees for two weeks if the bowler is not
replaced within that period.
2. If proper notice and sufficient cause is not given, all franchise, prize and any other money for which
the team or individual may have been eligible will be forfeited, unless the league board determines
otherwise. In addition, the member(s) shall be subject to suspension of USBC membership.

also see
115b. Nonpayment of Fees and/or Improper Withdrawal

103b/3 What if fees are never paid and the prize fund is short? What course of action can the
league follow?
This would be a matter for referral to the board under Rule 103b. Generally, when a shortage
occurs because a team member did not pay fees, the shortage is deducted from the
individual’s share of the team prize money at the end of the season. If the shorted amount
is excessive and not covered by the individual’s prize money, the loss could be prorated and
a small amount would be taken from the prize money of each team in the league or the loss
could be taken from the team’s prize money. In either case, the league has the option to file
charges against the member under Rule 115b.