ARE ALL SPARE BAlls CREATED EQUAL?

[MICHAEL]

The only part of my game that seems to be killing me is 10 pin leaves at this new alley! I think I know what I should do to pick it up, but my question is this:

1. Any difference in picking a good 10 pin ball

2. Do some bowlers drill it specific to picking up a 10 pin? Any grip better then another???

3. If I could just hit 80 percent of them, all the time, my average would increase dramatically! Most spares like the 7 pin, (me being right handed are automatic, rarely miss one.

4. Do any pros drill a spare for the 10 pin? ( right handers)

5. What about a low level ball that can bite the edge if you shoot short of the 10 pin? (like a low level ball, but not plastic, drilled weak?)

I know one guy that throws a huge backup ball, (right handed) to pick it up, and he gets it every time!! throws it like I do to pick up the 7 pin, but on the other side of the lane. Its a big sweeping hook back to the 10 pin!


If I could master the 10 pin,,,, I would have that 200, 210 average, I am convinced!!!

some times I am on in regards to the 10 pin, but this last month, its been a huge problem!

I do the typical stand far left side of lane and throw center arrow... sometimes I hook just to the left, sometimes just in front of the fricken pin!

It should be easy, I am sure its something I am leaving out, or not doing in my delivery!

With this huge lack of ability to pick this pin up, my averages this season are higher then last year, but range from 190 to 198 at seasons end.

10 pin has been my average killer!!! When I am on, I have had several strong 700s.... 750 725, 780 my best.

I want to be able to HIT that puppy just as easy as the 7 pin!!

Any thoughts in regards to type of ball, certain brand,, drilling a ball differently, release style ????

[vdubtx]

ICEMAN, pick yourself a Polyester ball and drill it with just your regular favorite fit. No special drilling needed.

My advice, is to get lots of practice and focus on the 10 pin pickup. When you practice it, shoot at only the 10 pin, nothing else. I did this last summer as I was having the same type of issues picking that pesky pin up. Found my go to spot to angle it from the left side and have been hitting it 88% this past season. If you want to see how I get it, got to my Hyper Cell video as there are several 10 pin pickups on that video.

[Blacksox1]

2. Do some bowlers drill it specific to picking up a 10 pin? Any grip better then another??? Go with the tri-grip!


4. Do any pros drill a spare for the 10 pin? ( right handers) Yes, nearly every one does!

5. What about a low level ball that can bite the edge if you shoot short of the 10 pin? (like a low level ball, but not plastic, drilled weak?) Yes, may I suggest the more modern Blue Hammer! Go with a weaker layout and watch that average climb!

[Mike White]

The only part of my game that seems to be killing me is 10 pin leaves at this new alley! I think I know what I should do to pick it up, but my question is this:

Any of the plastic balls would be fine.

T-Zone, White Dot, Maxim.

All those should be low price.

I have the exact same Tri-Grip in the plastic (mine is a White Dot) with one minor exception.

I have a little bit of forward pitch in the thumb.

The pitch allows me to throw the ball a little harder on those times I have a split, and hope to bounce a pin around.

You want to be able to get out of the thumb hole clean, but you don't need to get out so quick to throw a lot of revs.

When shooting at the 10 pin, I choose the throw over the 3rd arrow, and have the ball still going to the right as it hits the 10 pin.

If you play the 2nd arrow, the ball can pick up a roll, and hook back left a little.

That is bad news if you leave a 6-10 because the 6-10 is just begging to have the 6 be chopped.

Instead of hooking the ball at a 7 pin you should throw the spare ball just the same as at the 10 pin.

Figure out were best to stand for the 7, and the 10 during a practice session.

Once you have those locations, they will work wherever you bowl at, regardless of how the lanes are oiled.

[circlecity]

I use the Storm Polar Ice as my spare ball. I had it drilled to not hook. On house patterns it will hold if you get it to close to the gutter. On sport shots I found out the hard way right into the gutter. :(

Also on dry conditions this ball works great as a strike ball if you really need it.

[mike_thomas93]

I second that with circlecity. I've even had to use my spare ball the last couple of practices due to the lanes being a little dryer. That's where I use my white ball. Brunswick white viz-a-ball that is. ;p

[MICHAEL]

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PURE EVIL!!!!! I need to find a way to put it on its back!!! Send it to the GUTTER where it belongs!!!!

[MICHAEL]

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I am thinking very seriously about getting this puppy!!! Iceman is desperate.... I need to get this ONE PART of my game under better control. I know it can be done, I have seen some,,, (NOT MANY) pick it up almost every time it comes up.

I beginning to wonder if its a MIND GAME.... Maybe I am making it more difficult then it really is, then my body follows what my mind is thinking,,,

I am going to for the FIRST TIME bowl a bunch of games throwing at the ,,,, (10) pin! Maybe a good way to practice would be

Go for the 10 pin,,,, then hopefully shoot the remaining 9 pins with a strike ball, since the 7 pin is no problem at all!

I SWEAR TO THE GODS that if I could JUST,,,, JUST get better in this part of my game, I will be a BETTER Super Hero! I will assist, any and all older ladies, and men cross busy streets, pat every child on the head, and give a dog biscuit to all dogs wondering into my yard to take a dump!

I will, in short, be a MUCH BETTER PERSON, and HERO!!

I appreciate all your suggestions!!!! I will have this ball drilled with the trigrip,,,, getting the thumb out quick I would assume is a good thing, that happens with that grip.
Does anyone ever use a conventional grip for just the 10 pin,,, and would it make that pin any easier to pick up,,, ( just a thought).

What drilling lay out MIKE WHITE would you use pin up, down,,, on this ball for a dedicated 10 pin destroyer!!!

[vdubtx]

When shooting at the 10 pin, I choose the throw over the 3rd arrow, and have the ball still going to the right as it hits the 10 pin.

Exactly what I do. 3rd arrow, not only is house conditions but also on sport shots. Have had some practice on the usbc open patterns the last couple weeks and found this to work there as well.

[vdubtx]

Iceman, my advice is to not change your grip, use same grip you use on your strike ball. That Taboo will still hook if yr not careful.

Get a plastic ball as mentioned by Mike White, Maxim, Tzone, white dot. Etc. don't need to spend $100 + drill. $50 and drill and done.

[Mike White]

http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg546/imagine686868/taboo-spare-30363_zpsda14b16a.jpg (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/imagine686868/media/taboo-spare-30363_zpsda14b16a.jpg.html)

I am thinking very seriously about getting this puppy!!! Iceman is desperate.... I need to get this ONE PART of my game under better control. I know it can be done, I have seen some,,, (NOT MANY) pick it up almost every time it comes up.

I beginning to wonder if its a MIND GAME.... Maybe I am making it more difficult then it really is, then my body follows what my mind is thinking,,,

I am going to for the FIRST TIME bowl a bunch of games throwing at the ,,,, (10) pin! Maybe a good way to practice would be

Go for the 10 pin,,,, then hopefully shoot the remaining 9 pins with a strike ball, since the 7 pin is no problem at all!

I SWEAR TO THE GODS that if I could JUST,,,, JUST get better in this part of my game, I will be a BETTER Super Hero! I will assist, any and all older ladies, and men cross busy streets, pat every child on the head, and give a dog biscuit to all dogs wondering into my yard to take a dump!

I will, in short, be a MUCH BETTER PERSON, and HERO!!

I appreciate all your suggestions!!!! I will have this ball drilled with the trigrip,,,, getting the thumb out quick I would assume is a good thing, that happens with that grip.
Does anyone ever use a conventional grip for just the 10 pin,,, and would it make that pin any easier to pick up,,, ( just a thought).

What drilling lay out MIKE WHITE would you use pin up, down,,, on this ball for a dedicated 10 pin destroyer!!!

That Taboo Spare ball was designed as a hooking ball for the PBA Plastic ball tourney. Thats not what you need.

With a pancake weight block, just drill it directly over the label. i.e. CG in middle of the grip.

I rotated mine to place the engravings out of the track area.

Conventional grip would feel different, and could negatively effect your shot.

Getting the thumb out "quick" keeps the ball from hanging up on the thumb which can hinder accuracy.

But you're not trying to throw high RPMS at spares.

Personally my first ball is about 500 RPM, while my spare shots are closer to 100 rpm.

[MICHAEL]

Iceman, my advice is to not change your grip, use same grip you use on your strike ball. That Taboo will still hook if yr not careful.

Get a plastic ball as mentioned by Mike White, Maxim, Tzone, white dot. Etc. don't need to spend $100 + drill. $50 and drill and done.

Ok plastic it is.... !

Question: is the Taboo, very similar to the Brunswick Sling Shot??? I have a Sling Shot

[Mike White]

Ok plastic it is.... !

Question: is the Taboo, very similar to the Brunswick Sling Shot??? I have a Sling Shot

Depending on how you throw it, the results may be similar, but Taboo is polyester (most people call it plastic) with a core to create flare, while the Sling Shot is a lower end Reactive Resin with a core.

[mike_thomas93]

I haven't thrown a gutterball in a while. Wonder how that came about ;p

[striker12]

iceman what i did to my spare ball was when i drilled it the pin is on the other side of the ball witch helps me move the ball alittle just in chase its about to go in the gutter and know after improving my spare shooting i hit all my 10pins now i jsut still need to work on my 6 and 9 single pin spares i normaly just wif them.

but this year i went to one bowling alley that was wood lanes but no different i dont put much rev on ym spare ball and when i would stand where i normaly do and aim at my target i noticed i was missing the 10pin and all pin to the left witch is not common for me to do.

so after the same was over i walked up and counted the boards and there was 40 boards but 2 boards on the left side of the lane where smaller then the other check for that that could be the cause of it.

[got_a_300]

Iceman, I use a plastic T-Zone drilled straight up or what some like to
call drilling it with a label drill with the same span and grips as my strike
balls.

The way I shoot that nasty 10 pin is I bring my index finger in next to my
middle finger and spread my little finger out as wide as I can get it and I
break my wrist back and put no side roll/turn on the ball I just put all end
over end forward roll on it and it goes straight no matter what the lane are
like.

I'd have to say since I've been shooting it that way my percentage of making
it has gone from somewhere around 70% to around 98% then the times I do
miss it it is usually to the right side where it slides off in front of it.

[rv driver]

If I understand the question correctly (and I may not be!), I think of a "spare ball" as a plastic ball -- not a low-flare reactive ball. A low-flare reactive ball is a low-flare reactive ball. Bearing that in mind (because I had the same question in my own head in looking for a plastic ball for spares), are all plastic balls created equal? Is it simply a matter of aesthetics and brand-loyalty? Or are there real differences?

[got_a_300]

are all plastic balls created equal? Is it simply a matter of esthetics and brand-loyalty? Or are there real differences?

Most all plastic spare balls all have a 3 piece core with a
pancake type weight block in them nothing special about
them they are all pretty much created equal.

I'd have to say it is all pretty much just about the esthetics
and brand loyalty in plastic spare balls.

[Mudpuppy]

don't ask me I just spray can graffiti all over the lanes. throw what makes you feel good. I do.

[Aslan]

I think pretty much every bowling ball is exactly the same...so plastic balls should be no different.

[rv driver]

I think pretty much every bowling ball is exactly the same...so plastic balls should be no different.
I suspect you may be close to right here!

[Aslan]

I suspect you may be close to right here!

If the cores don't matter and nearly every one has an RG of 2.50 +/- .09....and all the differentials are essentially 0.045-0.050...the only true difference is coverstock and potentially a fragarance. And coverstocks can be changed with a ball spinner and abralon pad...so just get any ball you can find on sale and drill/surface it to do what you want...which is probably "go long and snap back hard into the pocket".

[Blacksox1]

I believe that Iceman should get a spare ball like the one Bill Murray used in Kingpin. The clear ball that had the red rose inside. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci6YPGQedr0 Go Ernie McCracken :D

[rv driver]

I believe that Iceman should get a spare ball like the one Bill Murray used in Kingpin. The clear ball that had the red rose inside. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci6YPGQedr0 Go Ernie McCracken :D
Or the one Jeanine Garafalo used in "Mystery Men" -- the clear one with Daddy's skull inside...

[rv driver]

If the cores don't matter and nearly every one has an RG of 2.50 +/- .09....and all the differentials are essentially 0.045-0.050...the only true difference is coverstock and potentially a fragarance. And coverstocks can be changed with a ball spinner and abralon pad...so just get any ball you can find on sale and drill/surface it to do what you want...which is probably "go long and snap back hard into the pocket". I'd be willing to be that the big tour players all use balls that have roughly the same specs -- just made by their particular sponsors.

[Mike White]

If the cores don't matter and nearly every one has an RG of 2.50 +/- .09....and all the differentials are essentially 0.045-0.050...the only true difference is coverstock and potentially a fragarance. And coverstocks can be changed with a ball spinner and abralon pad...so just get any ball you can find on sale and drill/surface it to do what you want...which is probably "go long and snap back hard into the pocket".

Coverstocks are about chemistry, you're thinking surface roughness.

All those numbers make a difference, once you throw the ball consistent enough to see the differences.

[Aslan]

Coverstocks are about chemistry, you're thinking surface roughness.

All those numbers make a difference, once you throw the ball consistent enough to see the differences.

Someone needs to watch Rob's video comparing asymmetric and symmetric cores and how it had zero effect…when thrown by an above average if not very good bowler.

[Mike White]

Someone needs to watch Rob's video comparing asymmetric and symmetric cores and how it had zero effect…when thrown by an above average if not very good bowler.

Who did Rob get to throw the ball for him? :)

I'm assuming you are talking about the video linked in message #11 of the "The curse of Game 2!!" thread.

While both balls have about the same MinRG, the diffs are different with the IQ Fusion being lower.

That means that the RG of the PAP will likely be lower on the IQ Fusion if drilled the same as the Genius.

If you notice in the video, there is very little RPM in the ball from the hand, so almost all of the final RPMS come from lane friction.

Since the IQ Fusion has the lower RG of the PAP, it will convert forward speed to RPM easier/faster which allows the ball to change direction a little more.

[Mike White]

I haven't thrown a gutterball in a while. Wonder how that came about ;p

You've had them put the bumpers up????

[fsbjcm]

Who did Rob get to throw the ball for him? :)

I'm assuming you are talking about the video linked in message #11 of the "The curse of Game 2!!" thread.

While both balls have about the same MinRG, the diffs are different with the IQ Fusion being lower.

That means that the RG of the PAP will likely be lower on the IQ Fusion if drilled the same as the Genius.

If you notice in the video, there is very little RPM in the ball from the hand, so almost all of the final RPMS come from lane friction.

Since the IQ Fusion has the lower RG of the PAP, it will convert forward speed to RPM easier/faster which allows the ball to change direction a little more.

This is all I can think about when I read stuff like this haha.