Brunswick/DV8 Still too rolly?

[Joker]

Been messing with storm equipment since I broke apart from dv8 for the past year. All i can say i really enjoy storm equipment, they're just really skid/flippy/angular that works perfectly with my game. Saw the new ruckus and it looks really really impressive and thinking of giving dv8 another try. Is the brunswick line still "rolly" or is it being more versatile?

[bowl1820]

Been messing with storm equipment since I broke apart from dv8 for the past year. All i can say i really enjoy storm equipment, they're just really skid/flippy/angular that works perfectly with my game. Saw the new ruckus and it looks really really impressive and thinking of giving dv8 another try. Is the brunswick line still "rolly" or is it being more versatile?

Brunswick being said to make only "Rolly" balls by many has been a kind of undeserved reputation from long ago, (they made skid/snap ball's and said so in the ball details.).

(For those that want to know :Rolly balls tend to find more friction in oil and roll earlier rather than later. That's why they are considered just for heavy oil)

The DV8 spinoff company was meant to try and get away from that rep.

I agree with this comment made at one time about Brunswick being rolly and DV8:

"it (DV8) provides Brunswick a line of balls that will alter the perception of Brunswick being a predominantly "rolly" line of equipment. Most of the industry professionals and informed bowlers know that this is not the case but perception stills tends to trump reality."

Here's quote from DV8

"Every once in a while, a company must take a step back, observe the business, and think strategically about how to bring products to market that serve the growing consumer groups. We at Brunswick have done this, and as a result of this process, we are proud to announce the introduction of a new brand of bowling balls – DV8.

Today’s younger consumers want a more aggressive brand personality and a ball motion that is longer and stronger on the backend. The DV8 brand will have an edgier feel with marketing and ball names, and the DV8 branded bowling balls will provide more length and more aggressive backend reaction. DV8 will show its aggressive personality via the website, advertising, and in the products themselves. The bowling balls will look different on the shelves and will perform different on the lanes.

A DV8 bowling ball will not be just another Brunswick ball. DV8 bowling balls will feature new core designs, new coverstocks, brighter colors, and outrageous names. DV8 balls will provide more length and more aggressive backend reaction, and the balls will be backed by a 2-YEAR WARRANTY."

So I'd say they are trying to be more versatile.

Almost any bowling ball that is pearlized will give you a skid/snap reaction ,like almost any ball thats a solid can give you a rolly reaction. Not to mention surface, layout and the release are factor in it too.

[Amyers]

I can't believe anybody watching the new Forterra Exile is thinking roll y. I think Brunswick owns Radical also don't they? There is nothing rolly about the reaxx line from them either. I think you can kick out the old stereo types they don't really apply not every piece from Brunswick is rolly and even Storm has brought out some rolly pieces. I think we are living in a great time to be a bowler there are more great balls on the market now than ever.

By the way I'm not a Brunswick guy don't own a single one just what I see from spendingg way too much time in bowling alleys and watching bowling ball vids.

[bowl1820]

Brunswick signed a agreement that moved the production of Radical bowling balls to the Brunswick manufacturing plant, and the brand renamed Radical Bowling Technologies.

Radical uses their base resins but Mo Pinel and Phil Cardinale adjust the formulas.

Mo:
"We use the similar base resin formulations, but the additive packages are the keys to getting the exact reactions desired. We work with the Brunswick resin team to get the exact reaction we want by adjusting the formulas specifically for each launch. The possible combinations are infinite, but we work together 'til the ball test properly. "

"All the covers on Radical, DV8, and Brunswick balls are the result of Brunswick research projects. The trick is always to match the cover with the core."

[Joker]

Hmm it might be time to give dv8 another try. Was just really disappointed by the lack of "versatile motion for me, when dv8 first came out I've used everything from the reckless to the endless and everything in between, but everything just seemed to me as "rolly" and inconsistent carry. Even with surface alternation

[Blacksox1]

Teammate that bowls a summer league has a new exile. It is not rolly, it is explosive ! Myself, I like the meanstreak brawler, polished 1500 symmetric, good length, control and hitting power.

[RobLV1]

I recently changed over to Brunswick equipment. While I have not yet tried any DV8 balls, I can safely say that within the Brunswick line itself there is a wide range of reactions. Most recently I added the Exile and the Melee Cross, and see two totally different reactions: skid/flippy Exile, and great read in the oil on the Cross.

[Joker]

Saw the new Exile ball is a beast

[bowl1820]

Hmm it might be time to give dv8 another try. Was just really disappointed by the lack of "versatile motion for me, when dv8 first came out I've used everything from the reckless to the endless and everything in between, but everything just seemed to me as "rolly" and inconsistent carry. Even with surface alternation


Some to look at are the Diva Pearl, Marauder Mutiny, Brutal Nightmare and Ruckus

Just make sure and use the right layout for your spec's to help you get the ball reaction you want.

[rv driver]

I don't know anything about the Reaxx. I went to the web site, but found it annoying. It's like they're trying too hard to be trendy, and the fluff is getting in the way of solid, helpful information about the products.

[RobLV1]

There are just two words that you need to hear to inspire confidence in Reax: MO PINEL!

[rv driver]

There are just two words that you need to hear to inspire confidence in Reax: MO PINEL!
Gotcha! ;-)

[MICHAEL]

Been messing with storm equipment since I broke apart from dv8 for the past year. All i can say i really enjoy storm equipment, they're just really skid/flippy/angular that works perfectly with my game. Saw the new ruckus and it looks really really impressive and thinking of giving dv8 another try. Is the brunswick line still "rolly" or is it being more versatile?

I have the Rukus, and its drilled pin down, but it does not do a long continuous curve to the pocket.... it looks a lot like my Storm balls, drilled pin up.

I really thought that the pin down would give me and earlier move, and more gradual arc to the pocket, but what I got was a pretty jumpy movement the last couple feet! Its a great ball but nothing like the Deadly Aim, which is drilled pin up and center. The Deadly Aim is for me a very nice curve to the pocket, resulting in better scores, and less ten pins!

10 pins are my friend Now, I rarely miss them with my new technique!! (:)

[larry mc]

exile is crazy skid flip

[RobLV1]

Michael: I've noticed on several of your posts now, that you seem to think that layouts do something magic. They don't. The only thing that a layout does is to determine the actual rg, differential, and axis migration path of a bowling ball. If you want a ball that rolls early and arcs, then buy a bowling ball that is designed to roll early and arc. I'm sure that you've heard the expression, "You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear." The same goes for bowling balls. Layouts, like surface adjustments are used to tweak reactions. The ball does what it was designed to do; nothing more, and nothing less.

[Amyers]

Michael: I've noticed on several of your posts now, that you seem to think that layouts do something magic. They don't. The only thing that a layout does is to determine the actual rg, differential, and axis migration path of a bowling ball. If you want a ball that rolls early and arcs, then buy a bowling ball that is designed to roll early and arc. I'm sure that you've heard the expression, "You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear." The same goes for bowling balls. Layouts, like surface adjustments are used to tweak reactions. The ball does what it was designed to do; nothing more, and nothing less.

Rob nailed it here. The purpose for the different layouts and surface adjustments is to help your ball fit in you arsenal of balls.

What you can do is take a somewhat similar ball and make it fit in your arsenal just behind or in front of another ball in your arsenal. If you said I need my ruckus to be a couple of boards weaker than your byte that you can do maybe even vise versus make the ruckus stronger than byte.

What you can't do is say here is this strong skid flip ball I want it to act like a arc type of ball. If you could do that with good results we would just all buy the same ball over and over and drill them up different.

Remember with drillings and surface adjustments your looking to accentuate what the ball does well, how it matches up with your game, and how it fits in your arsenal not to make the ball do what we want it too. That comes with selecting the right ball in the beginning.

[MICHAEL]

Rob nailed it here. The purpose for the different layouts and surface adjustments is to help your ball fit in you arsenal of balls.

What you can do is take a somewhat similar ball and make it fit in your arsenal just behind or in front of another ball in your arsenal. If you said I need my ruckus to be a couple of boards weaker than your byte that you can do maybe even vise versus make the ruckus stronger than byte.

What you can't do is say here is this strong skid flip ball I want it to act like a arc type of ball. If you could do that with good results we would just all buy the same ball over and over and drill them up different.

Remember with drillings and surface adjustments your looking to accentuate what the ball does well, how it matches up with your game, and how it fits in your arsenal not to make the ball do what we want it too. That comes with selecting the right ball in the beginning.

I guess the RG on that Storm Byte, (that I threw on Storm Demo Day, must have been PERFECT FOR ME and MY STYLE) Strike after strike playing the inside, a new area for me. The Byte I have now that is suppose to be as close to that one is not showing me the scores the DEMO ball did! I which I would have grabbed that ball and ran out the door!!!! LOL..... I tried to buy it but no go! It will never happen again. It was like a lover letting THAT SPECIAL one GET AWAY!! Might never happen again!!!! hummmm

Sure the Deadly Aim is one heck of a ball for Iceman, and his style, but THAT STORM BYTE, was a strike machine that day, on 4 different lanes!!

What ever RG adjustment it wound up with after drilling was PERFECT in my case!

Also I did not PICK that ball.... James did my driller.... I put myself in his hands and that's what he picked. ( In fairness to James, I told him I had x amount of money and wanted to stay with in that limit!

WHY did I put a limit on the amount,,,, I still to this day lay awake at night ,,,,,, WHY,,,,, WHY!!!!!

This has been a learning experience ..... thanks for the info Rob,,,,and Amyers.

[Amyers]

I guess the RG on that Storm Byte, (that I threw on Storm Demo Day, must have been PERFECT FOR ME and MY STYLE) Strike after strike playing the inside, a new area for me. The Byte I have now that is suppose to be as close to that one is not showing me the scores the DEMO ball did! I which I would have grabbed that ball and ran out the door!!!! LOL..... I tried to buy it but no go! It will never happen again. It was like a lover letting THAT SPECIAL one GET AWAY!! Might never happen again!!!! hummmm

Sure the Deadly Aim is one heck of a ball for Iceman, and his style, but THAT STORM BYTE, was a strike machine that day, on 4 different lanes!!

What ever RG adjustment it wound up with after drilling was PERFECT in my case!

Also I did not PICK that ball.... James did my driller.... I put myself in his hands and that's what he picked. ( In fairness to James, I told him I had x amount of money and wanted to stay with in that limit!

WHY did I put a limit on the amount,,,, I still to this day lay awake at night ,,,,,, WHY,,,,, WHY!!!!!

This has been a learning experience ..... thanks for the info Rob,,,,and Amyers.

Iceman no problem I will also say don't give up on that Byte. It wasn't any magical drilling or Rg or anything else that day it was one thing only throwing those strikes YOU!!!.

I have said it on here before I only have one ball in some ways that has been an advantage for me it's up to me to find a line that works on that day with how I'm throwing the ball.

I see a lot of guys come in to leagues with there three or four balls and if there not hitting on that first one they go to the next one and the next one and so on. You know what iceman when it's still the first game and there on their second ball I know I can relax I've already won even though they are probably a better bowler than me because they are looking at the equipment instead of themselves.

That Byte you threw on demo day isn't any different than the one in your six ball roller at least that would make any real difference on the lanes. Don't take this the wrong way because I like and respect you man but the difference between then and now are two places in your head and in needing to continue to practice those inside lines.

[RobLV1]

Michael: Was the Demo Day held on the same lanes where you bowl league, using the same oil pattern, at the same time of day, and after the same number of games when you normally bowl league? If not, then try to get it out of your head that there was something magic about that ball. For many years when people ask me what ball is my favorite, I have given the same reply: "Whatever is in my hand at the time that will carry the corner pins." It's not THE ball, it's how well A ball matches up to a particular lane condition.

[MICHAEL]

Iceman no problem I will also say don't give up on that Byte. It wasn't any magical drilling or Rg or anything else that day it was one thing only throwing those strikes YOU!!!.

I have said it on here before I only have one ball in some ways that has been an advantage for me it's up to me to find a line that works on that day with how I'm throwing the ball.

I see a lot of guys come in to leagues with there three or four balls and if there not hitting on that first one they go to the next one and the next one and so on. You know what iceman when it's still the first game and there on their second ball I know I can relax I've already won even though they are probably a better bowler than me because they are looking at the equipment instead of themselves.

That Byte you threw on demo day isn't any different than the one in your six ball roller at least that would make any real difference on the lanes. Don't take this the wrong way because I like and respect you man but the difference between then and now are two places in your head and in needing to continue to practice those inside lines.


REMEMBER,,, I Did throw EVERY ball STORM brought to the Demo day! I gave they all a fair amount of time....but,,, BUT THAT BYTE.... Well


MAGIC

[MICHAEL]

Michael: Was the Demo Day held on the same lanes where you bowl league, using the same oil pattern, at the same time of day, and after the same number of games when you normally bowl league? If not, then try to get it out of your head that there was something magic about that ball. For many years when people ask me what ball is my favorite, I have given the same reply: "Whatever is in my hand at the time that will carry the corner pins." It's not THE ball, it's how well A ball matches up to a particular lane condition.

No Rob, it was a Strike and Spare, (another AMF, out east of Kansas city mo.) It the lanes where Bruce, my ball supplier, resides with his Pro shop.

I am sure your right about the time of day, temperature inside the lanes, number of games played on that fresh pattern,,,,, ect ect..

I Kid you not, it was hard not to throw a strike WITH THE BYTE THAT DAY, playing the inside position which was totally NEW FOR me!!

I have never been so excited about a ball! Now to only fined it was and anomaly,,,, fluke,, never to happen again!!! (:(

If that would have been league night, I am SURE,,, without a doubt it would have been a 800 night!!! Closest so far has been a 780 last fall, along with that 300 game!!! GRRRRRR.....

I want that 800 this summer!!!!!!! Gladstone might just do it for GENE, and Ice! Gladstone has a great shot,,, my friend Pat Henderson that I have mentioned on here, ( a true bowling icon here in Missouri, hall of fame bowler), had and 802 not long ago on the seniors league at Gladstone.

[mike_thomas93]

Yep. That pretty much sums in up right there.

[mike_thomas93]

There's never been a Storm Demo Day at my local alley. If there was, I'd probably give it a whirl. Actually, I do need to take advantage of one of those demo days. Even if it may be in a different manufacture, at least it'll give an idea of what their equipment is about and how it rolls.

[rv driver]

Michael: Was the Demo Day held on the same lanes where you bowl league, using the same oil pattern, at the same time of day, and after the same number of games when you normally bowl league? If not, then try to get it out of your head that there was something magic about that ball. For many years when people ask me what ball is my favorite, I have given the same reply: "Whatever is in my hand at the time that will carry the corner pins." It's not THE ball, it's how well A ball matches up to a particular lane condition.
This right here ^^^ is a good way to put some very good advice.

[Joker]

the only problem with those demo days are the companies match up certain balls to the "exact" oil pattern. Many many times have I seen people try a demo ball at a center and then bring that ball to another center and its completely different from what they've been seeing.

[rv driver]

the only problem with those demo days are the companies match up certain balls to the "exact" oil pattern. Many many times have I seen people try a demo ball at a center and then bring that ball to another center and its completely different from what they've been seeing.
Surely a ball company wouldn't hose unsuspecting buyers by making their product look unrealistically good??? I'm... nonplussed!