Ruckus!! Needs help

[MICHAEL]

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ok, I thought this was going to be a nice gradual curve into the pocket! Instead it goes down the lane on house oil like most of my pearl balls, and then does a big snap into the pocket at the end.

For some that might be just what they are looking for, but I have several balls that.

What do I need to do to the surface to make it a more controlled gradual arc to the pocket?

Take it down to 500, and no polish? Doesn't polish keep a ball from starting that early move?

This was probably not the RIGHT BALL to do a pin down. But the driller decided to do it, and surprised me.






Brand: DV8

Release Date: 10/31/2013

Perfect Scale®: 229.2

Performance: Pro Performance(10)

RG: 2.592

Differential: 0.052

Mass Bias Diff: 0.013

Flare Potential: High


Lane Condition: Medium-Heavy

Finish: Polished

Coverstock: Hybrid Reactive

Coverstock Name: Class 8F Hybrid Reactive

Factory Finish: 500 Siaair / Royal Compound

Core Type: Asymmetric

Core Name: Ruckus Medium RG

Quality: First Quality

Color(s): Black,Blue,Green

[Amyers]

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ok, I thought this was going to be a nice gradual curve into the pocket! Instead it goes down the lane on house oil like most of my pearl balls, and then does a big snap into the pocket at the end.

For some that might be just what they are looking for, but I have several balls that.

What do I need to do to the surface to make it a more controlled gradual arc to the pocket?

Take it down to 500, and no polish? Doesn't polish keep a ball from starting that early move?

This was probably not the RIGHT BALL to do a pin down. But the driller decided to do it, and surprised me.






Brand: DV8

Release Date: 10/31/2013

Perfect Scale®: 229.2

Performance: Pro Performance(10)

RG: 2.592

Differential: 0.052

Mass Bias Diff: 0.013

Flare Potential: High


Lane Condition: Medium-Heavy

Finish: Polished

Coverstock: Hybrid Reactive

Coverstock Name: Class 8F Hybrid Reactive

Factory Finish: 500 Siaair / Royal Compound

Core Type: Asymmetric

Core Name: Ruckus Medium RG

Quality: First Quality

Color(s): Black,Blue,Green

Michael I think your looking down the wrong road here the ruckus was designed to be a skid flip medium heavy oil ball it really wasn't designed to be a gradual arc ball. I don't think you ever get the best performance from trying to change what a ball was meant to be. I would maybe try it at 2000 no polish and see if that works for you I've never been a big fan of throwing balls with less than 1500 for me they destroy the pattern too quickly and have a tendency to burn up on me.

You might look into trading it or selling it if it dose t fit in your lineup.

[Blacksox1]

3 balls to consider;
Storm Wipe Out,
Roto Grip Rumble,
Brunswick Ringer Royal Blue Solid.

[Amyers]

3 balls to consider;
Storm Wipe Out,
Roto Grip Rumble,
Brunswick Ringer Royal Blue Solid.

Just say NO iceman you don't need more balls just pick another of the remaining 19!!!!

[Blacksox1]

Just say NO iceman you don't need more balls just pick another of the remaining 19!!!!

Where is the list of 19 ?

[Amyers]

Where is the list of 19 ?

I don't know if he has ever posted a list of all of them. Probably can't do to post size constraints.

[Joker]

I think Amyers is pretty spot on, the thing you could try like he said was making it a duller surface and no polish

[Blacksox1]

perfect scale and spec numbers can be your friend, Iceman.

[rv driver]

I think Amyers is pretty spot on, the thing you could try like he said was making it a duller surface and no polish
I agree, as well. It's like trying to modify a Peterbilt for dirt track sprint racing. Or a scooter to haul a load of steel I-beams. It just doesn't work well that way.

[MICHAEL]

PIN DOWN >>>> ITs like trying to make a submarine, be a top of water craft! Sure it can do it, but not designed to be on TOP,,,,,,, OR IS IT??? read below please....

JAMES, who use to be my driller, decided to do it based on the drilling RECOMMENDED on by DV-8! He didn't pull the layout out of his ask?

Go to bowlingball.com and you will see this layout as one option.

ICEMAN did not ask for a pin down, it was a surprise! James ask me how I wanted it drilled, I said: ( surprise me!) He sure did!!

AGAIN it is not trying to make the ball do something it was not designed to do, its one of DV8's recommended layout!

[MICHAEL]

Asymmetric Layout 2 check this out at bowlingball.com this is what he gave me! I thought pin down was suppose to break early? It says with this layout a STRONG BACKEND!! (:?

[MICHAEL]

Since it was drilled with DV8's recommended layout for a strong backend, ( which for Storm would be pin up and kicked out to right of ring finger),,,
what can tame it down some on the back end, or is it a hopeless situation. I was wanting that strong arc! Maybe plugging it and redrilling?

[MICHAEL]

can a balance hole tame the beast,,, help take some of that SNAP at the end out of the ball?? Mine does not have a balance hole.

[Amyers]

Iceman that ball is skid flip by nature it's not going to matter if it is pin up pin down pin off too the right it's still going to be a skid flip ball. You might change how early it starts by a couple of feet or the total hook by a couple of boards but it's still going to be a skid flip ball. I will also say I don't put a lot of stock in drillings you will see more difference in cover stock changes than you do in drillings.

Most balls are available with pin up or pin down drillings they can be either way but the differences your going to see are going to change how the ball reacts significantly. You can't make skid flip balls arc you can't make low hooking balls hook monsters and you can't make low oil balls high oil balls. If you do try most of the time you end up with junk wasn't what the ball was meant to be.

The idea behind drillings and surface adjustments is to help the ball fit in your lineup of balls and to help it fit the lane conditions. Not to change the balls overall reaction. From what your talking about you would have been better off to get the marauder madness.

[rv driver]

Yes, aren't drillings more for subtle tweaking of the ball's overall reaction -- not to dictate that reaction?

[MICHAEL]

Iceman that ball is skid flip by nature it's not going to matter if it is pin up pin down pin off too the right it's still going to be a skid flip ball. You might change how early it starts by a couple of feet or the total hook by a couple of boards but it's still going to be a skid flip ball. I will also say I don't put a lot of stock in drillings you will see more difference in cover stock changes than you do in drillings.

Most balls are available with pin up or pin down drillings they can be either way but the differences your going to see are going to change how the ball reacts significantly. You can't make skid flip balls arc you can't make low hooking balls hook monsters and you can't make low oil balls high oil balls. If you do try most of the time you end up with junk wasn't what the ball was meant to be.

The idea behind drillings and surface adjustments is to help the ball fit in your lineup of balls and to help it fit the lane conditions. Not to change the balls overall reaction. From what your talking about you would have been better off to get the marauder madness.

I agree,,, I left the ball type up to James, ( the use-to-be-driller-of-mine). He went under, with his shop when AMF closed his lanes! Here is what came down: I said, ( I have X amount of money to spend, you pick the ball out, and IF I BOWL another 300 game, or 800, you get a ONE HUNDRED buck tip!)

So I did not pick the Ruckus,,, he did,,, I did tip him on the other two 300s,,,, but not 100 bucks...more like 50, as I remember!

Seeing the picture I posted, where would a balance hole be placed to control the flip at the end? If I don't polish, but give it the 500 surface will that cause it to burn up and thus take some of that snap off at the end?

[Amyers]

I agree,,, I left the ball type up to James, ( the use-to-be-driller-of-mine). He went under, with his shop when AMF closed his lanes! Here is what came down: I said, ( I have X amount of money to spend, you pick the ball out, and IF I BOWL another 300 game, or 800, you get a ONE HUNDRED buck tip!)

So I did not pick the Ruckus,,, he did,,, I did tip him on the other two 300s,,,, but not 100 bucks...more like 50, as I remember!

Seeing the picture I posted, where would a balance hole be placed to control the flip at the end? If I don't polish, but give it the 500 surface will that cause it to burn up and thus take some of that snap off at the end?

Ice I have never added a balance hole and when I've heard people talk about it it's to add hook but even if you remove some of the hook it's still going to go long just long and hook less. It's not going to give you the gradual arc you're looking for. As far as surface I'm not a fan of 500 surfaced balls I would try 1500 to 2000 no polish. See if that gives you a little more of what your looking for.

If I was you instead of trying to make this ball performed more like your deadly aim I would embrace what it does and try to get it to be a step down from the byte.

[bowl1820]

The Ruckus being a Asymmetrical ball you would use a P1 hole to weaken the reaction.
(A P1 is a hole 6 3/4" from the PSA on the VAL)

Dulling the surface can even out the reaction some also.

The best idea would be to switch to a different ball and not try to drill the guts of the ball.


Your layout appears to be DV8's "Big Crank" layout what you probably wanted was the one called "The Big Curve". It looks similar, but uses a smaller drilling angle which would let it transition into the hook phase sooner and a shorter pin to pap measurement to reduce the flare.

[Joker]

Think the best thing you can do is use this for your skid flip ball and possibly use another ball for arching

[MICHAEL]

Ice I have never added a balance hole and when I've heard people talk about it it's to add hook but even if you remove some of the hook it's still going to go long just long and hook less. It's not going to give you the gradual arc you're looking for. As far as surface I'm not a fan of 500 surfaced balls I would try 1500 to 2000 no polish. See if that gives you a little more of what your looking for.

If I was you instead of trying to make this ball performed more like your deadly aim I would embrace what it does and try to get it to be a step down from the byte.


The Ruckus being a Asymmetrical ball you would use a P1 hole to weaken the reaction.
(A P1 is a hole 6 3/4" from the PSA on the VAL)

Dulling the surface can even out the reaction some also.

The best idea would be to switch to a different ball and not try to drill the guts of the ball.


Your layout appears to be DV8's "Big Crank" layout what you probably wanted was the one called "The Big Curve". It looks similar, but uses a smaller drilling angle and a shorter pin to pap measurement.


Think the best thing you can do is use this for your skid flip ball and possibly use another ball for arching

Thanks some great advise from all 3 of you! Wait till I GET JAMES ON MY HOCKEY GAME!! I am going to kick his ASK AGAIN, like I did at the ICEMAN GAMER PARTY!! I have lots of go long and flip type balls!!

Lesson learned,,, never leave it to your driller, what ball HE thinks you need!! LOL ( I kid James,,, he's a great guy, and good young friend)!

[Blacksox1]

3 balls to consider;
Storm Wipe Out,
Roto Grip Rumble,
Brunswick Ringer Royal Blue Solid.

Here is the list.

[rv driver]

Ice I have never added a balance hole and when I've heard people talk about it it's to add hook but even if you remove some of the hook it's still going to go long just long and hook less. It's not going to give you the gradual arc you're looking for. As far as surface I'm not a fan of 500 surfaced balls I would try 1500 to 2000 no polish. See if that gives you a little more of what your looking for.

If I was you instead of trying to make this ball performed more like your deadly aim I would embrace what it does and try to get it to be a step down from the byte.
I thought the purpose of the hole was to make a highly-biased drilling conform to USBC balance standards?

[bowl1820]

I thought the purpose of the hole was to make a highly-biased drilling conform to USBC balance standards?

A balance (aka: weight hole, X-Hole etc) hole can be used to make a ball conform to USBC static weight requirements and/or alter the core dynamics of the ball.

[rv driver]

A balance (aka: weight hole, X-Hole etc) hole can be used to make a ball conform to USBC static weight requirements and/or alter the core dynamics of the ball.
Wow. Didn't know it could alter the core dynamics! Thanks for clarify8ing that for me.

[MICHAEL]

Wow. Didn't know it could alter the core dynamics! Thanks for clarify8ing that for me.

yes I did know that! That's why its a good idea to throw your new ball before they make any weight hole adjustments, then you can many times use the weight hole to make changes in the balls dynamics!

[rv driver]

yes I did know that! That's why its a good idea to throw your new ball before they make any weight hole adjustments, then you can many times use the weight hole to make changes in the balls dynamics!
Kewl!

[Amyers]

Wow. Didn't know it could alter the core dynamics! Thanks for clarify8ing that for me.

Anytime you drill a ball you alter the core dynamics of the ball. Weight hole or no weight hole

[MICHAEL]

Anytime you drill a ball you alter the core dynamics of the ball. Weight hole or no weight hole

YES,,,, lol,,, and that's what ICEMAN wants!! To alter the dynamics! (:) I was told that by placing a balance hole in ONE position or ANOTHER, you can change the dynamics to a degree.

Make it snap, hook more, or the reverse! I will talk to Bruce about it.... see what he thinks,,, he knows bowling balls almost better then Art Moffit!

[rv driver]

Anytime you drill a ball you alter the core dynamics of the ball. Weight hole or no weight hole
Well, yeah. Duh for me!



Stoopid!Stoopid!Stoopid! <bangs palm of hand repeatedly on head>

[MICHAEL]

Well, yeah. Duh for me!



Stoopid!Stoopid!Stoopid! <bangs palm of hand repeatedly on head>

Don't be so HARD on yourself RV!!!! The brain is a very delicate organ, and you don't want to change its dynamic's!!! lol

[Amyers]

Well, yeah. Duh for me!



Stoopid!Stoopid!Stoopid! <bangs palm of hand repeatedly on head>

That's okay RV I tried bowling with my shoe covers on not too long ago. Didn't end well

[Stormed1]

I would recommend a surface change to 500/2000. This would result in an earlier read and a slightly tamer back end reaction. A P3 or P4 hole would increase the flare and also cause it to read slightly earlier. It will also however increase the total hook of the ball

[rv driver]

Don't be so HARD on yourself RV!!!! The brain is a very delicate organ, and you don't want to change its dynamic's!!! lol
Two late four me, I'm affrayed....

[rv driver]

That's okay RV I tried bowling with my shoe covers on not too long ago. Didn't end well
Sounds about par for the course for me...