Definition Help: "Make-able Spare"

[Aslan]

Is there an actual definition of what a "makeable spare" is?

I'm assuming it's any leave that isn't a defined split?

So does that mean a 3-10 baby split is considered not "makeable" but a 1-2-4-10 washout IS considered "make-able"? Or is there an actual list/definition? Thanks.

[MICHAEL]

the definition of a make-able-spare in your case is: ???? maybe a 5 pin???? Nobody misses a 5 pin!!

[Aslan]

the definition of a make-able-spare in your case is: ???? maybe a 5 pin???? Nobody misses a 5 pin!!

Now that the "intelligence challenged" peanut gallery has weighed in....do we have anyone that actually knows the answer?

[MICHAEL]

Now that the "intelligence challenged" peanut gallery has weighed in....do we have anyone that actually knows the answer?


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[bowl1820]

Is there an actual definition of what a "makeable spare" is?

I'm assuming it's any leave that isn't a defined split?

So does that mean a 3-10 baby split is considered not "makeable" but a 1-2-4-10 washout IS considered "make-able"? Or is there an actual list/definition? Thanks.

In a sense all spares are "makeable", it's just a matter of the degree of difficulty in making it.

But basically makeable spares are any non-split, non-washout pin combinations.

The 1-2-4-10 while called a washout is also technically a split. So wouldn't be a makeable spare

Note: There are two definitions of a washout.

Today it is basically anything that is a split with the headpin still standing is a washout.

A old one was if the headpin was standing it was a washout. So leaving just the head pin was technically a washout, A rail (the 1-2-4-7, 1-3-6-10) was a washout (But both are makeable spares)

[Aslan]

Thanks Bowl.

So you would say any spare that leaves a pin (or group) off on their own (like the 10 in a 1-2-4-10) would be a less "make-able" spare? So any split would fit that definition, even the baby split. And that would take out most of the big washouts as well.

But, a 1-2-4 or a 1-2-4-7...despite sort of being washouts...those would be considered "make-able".

The reason I'm asking is; one of the stats I saw online was a calculation involving not just your spare pick-up rate...but your pick-up rate of "make-able apsares". I think that obviously takes splits out of the equation...but wasn't sure if there was an actual definition of "make-able spare" that I wasn't aware of.

I'll try to ask the author of the article and see if he responds. I doubt it, but maybe I'll get lucky.

[bowl1820]

Thanks Bowl.

So you would say any spare that leaves a pin (or group) off on their own (like the 10 in a 1-2-4-10) would be a less "make-able" spare? So any split would fit that definition, even the baby split. And that would take out most of the big washouts as well.

A split is a split, so wouldn't be considered a "Makeable" spare.

(Of course Splits are divided into makeable (ex: the 3-10, 2-4-8-10 are considered makeable splits) and non makeable splits (Unmakeable splits are splits where the pins are parallel to the foul line ex. 2-3, 4-6, 7-10)



But, a 1-2-4 or a 1-2-4-7...despite sort of being washouts...those would be considered "make-able".

Yes

[RobLV1]

I've never seen an actual definition, but I would guess it would be any pin combination that is not a split or a washout. In terms of being makeable, virtually any spare is makeable, it's just a matter of the percentage that it is actually converted. Once you take out the splits and washouts, everything else is converted a majority of the time, with the dinner bucket and the 3-6-9-10 being the most difficult, though still makeable.

[Blacksox1]

Disclaimer; my thoughts only, not proven to be 100 percent correct. :) If when rolling your spare ball it can hit every pin remaining from the first shot. I then consider it make-able. Example, the 3-10, the left side of the ball hits the 3, the right side of the ball hits the 10.

[Mike White]

Disclaimer; my thoughts only, not proven to be 100 percent correct. :) If when rolling your spare ball it can hit every pin remaining from the first shot. I then consider it make-able. Example, the 3-10, the left side of the ball hits the 3, the right side of the ball hits the 10.

If you foul on the first ball, would that be a makable spare?

I seriously doubt you can hit all 10 pins with the ball.

[manke]

There always has to be smart *** in the bunch and that is normally Mike!!!! You better make sure everything you say is correct or he will find a flaw and exploite it.

[Mike White]

There always has to be smart *** in the bunch and that is normally Mike!!!! You better make sure everything you say is correct or he will find a flaw and exploite it.

Thats good, attack the messenger, but leave the message unquestioned.

You would have looked more intelligent had you actually found what was wrong with my response rather than resort to name calling.

I'll give you one more chance to find the flaw.

[vdubtx]

Thats good, attack the messenger, but leave the message unquestioned.

You would have looked more intelligent had you actually found what was wrong with my response rather than resort to name calling.

I'll give you one more chance to find the flaw.

He didn't question your response. Simply pointed out that you nit pick on people's posts and come across exactly as he pointed out.

[manke]

Mike you do it all the time. Why did you ask a question you know the answer to. Except to be little people.

[Mike White]

He didn't question your response. Simply pointed out that you nit pick on people's posts and come across exactly as he pointed out.

Blacksox floated a theory, and my response wasn't a nit pick, it attempted to show a significant problem with his theory.

My problem is, I didn't read his theory exactly as he wrote it.

His theory is an inclusive test, where I read it as a stand alone pass/fail test.

He is just saying, if the ball can hit all the pins, it is included as a makable spare.

I miss read it to also mean if the ball can't hit all the pins, it is excluded as a makable spare.

I then presented a case where a makable spare would have been excluded.

A complete "rule" for makable spares would have to be based on the amount of room for error.

I spare like 1-2-10 should be considered makable.

As is the 2-10, and 3-7

The 4-9, while occasionally made, has a smaller amount of room for error.

I showed last Sunday that a 4-6-10 can be made, but the expectation level is pretty low.

[Mudpuppy]

I've never seen an actual definition, but I would guess it would be any pin combination that is not a split or a washout. In terms of being makeable, virtually any spare is makeable, it's just a matter of the percentage that it is actually converted. Once you take out the splits and washouts, everything else is converted a majority of the time, with the dinner bucket and the 3-6-9-10 being the most difficult, though still makeable.

And I learned something new today - new terminology I will use early and often - the dinner bucket. Now I'm hungry.

[Mike White]

And I learned something new today - new terminology I will use early and often - the dinner bucket. Now I'm hungry.

For lefties that would be the 3-5-6-9, and 2-4-5-8 for righties.

A very common leave amongst the masses before reactive resin balls.

[Mudpuppy]

For lefties that would be the 3-5-6-9, and 2-4-5-8 for righties.

A very common leave amongst the masses before reactive resin balls.

Do you kno any lefties? lol

Thanks for the clarification.

So now in my bowling terminology aresenal I have:

Turkey
Hambone
Church
Dinner bucket
Ringing 10 (or 7)
Flat 10 (or 7)
Mixer
Big four
Rg
Tapped
Beer frame
Man in
Dead wood
Most important of all: munsoned

[vdubtx]

Blacksox floated a theory, and my response wasn't a nit pick, it attempted to show a significant problem with his theory.
Bla Bla Bla...lots of Aslanesque verbage.....


I know what Blacksox posted, and took it exactly how I think he posted it (not literal to having to have ball touch each of 10 pins). But, like Aslan, you take things overly literal. Are you guys brothers by chance?

[vdubtx]

And I learned something new today - new terminology I will use early and often - the dinner bucket. Now I'm hungry.

I have only heard it called the bucket.

[Mike White]

I know what Blacksox posted, and took it exactly how I think he posted it (not literal to having to have ball touch each of 10 pins). But, like Aslan, you take things overly literal. Are you guys brothers by chance?

Ok, so it appears you either didn't read what Blacksox wrote, or you can't remember it... Maybe it was too much bla bla for you.


... If when rolling your spare ball it can hit every pin remaining from the first shot. I then consider it make-able. ...

That means the ball would have to hit all 10 of the pins.

But what he didn't say is that this is his only criteria for what is makable.

[Mike White]

Do you kno any lefties? lol

Thanks for the clarification.

So now in my bowling terminology aresenal I have:

Turkey
Hambone
Church
Dinner bucket
Ringing 10 (or 7)
Flat 10 (or 7)
Mixer
Big four
Rg
Tapped
Beer frame
Man in
Dead wood
Most important of all: munsoned

I'm afraid to ask, but in bowling terminology what is "Man in"?

I sure hope it isn't somehow related to "Dead wood".

[vdubtx]

That means the ball would have to hit all 10 of the pins.

But what he didn't say is that this is his only criteria for what is makable.

I read and understood exactly what Blacksox wrote and his intention of explanation on a makeable spare. He didn't need to say that was his only criteria as he didn't have to say there were 10 pins standing. You nit picked the point and brought up the point about 10 pins left standing.

If you want to nit pick, how about your point "I seriously doubt you can hit all 10 pins with the ball." I certainly can, but I don't have to do it within one frame.

See what I did there, I took your point out of context. Just like you did with Blacksoxs' point.

[Mike White]

I read and understood exactly what Blacksox wrote and his intention of explanation on a makeable spare. He didn't need to say that was his only criteria as he didn't have to say there were 10 pins standing. You nit picked the point and brought up the point about 10 pins left standing.

If you want to nit pick, how about your point "I seriously doubt you can hit all 10 pins with the ball." I certainly can, but I don't have to do it within one frame.

See what I did there, I took your point out of context. Just like you did with Blacksoxs' point.

I forgot the #1 rule, never argue with an idiot, they bring you down to their level, then beat you with experience.

[vdubtx]

I forgot the #1 rule, never argue with an idiot, they bring you down to their level, then beat you with experience.

Right, there it is. Can't win the argument so resort to name calling. Got it.

[RobLV1]

Do you kno any lefties? lol

Thanks for the clarification.

So now in my bowling terminology aresenal I have:

Turkey
Hambone
Church
Dinner bucket
Ringing 10 (or 7)
Flat 10 (or 7)
Mixer
Big four
Rg
Tapped
Beer frame
Man in
Dead wood
Most important of all: munsoned

One more that I coined myself: One strike after several frames without one is a "wish bone." (I sure wish I could throw another one)

[MICHAEL]

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[Aslan]

Well this has gotten very Sean Rash versus Jason Belmonte.

See what happens when I take a sabbatical.

Well, I asked the EXPERT for a clarification of the definition since HE (Joe Slowinski) used it in one of his articles on BTM…but Joe isn't big on responding to comments so I guess we'll just have to make up our own definition and then fight about it endlessly.