New WBT Scoring System

[RobLV1]

The PBA has issued a press release describing a new scoring system, developed by the WBT (World Bowling Tour) that will be tested in the WBT stepladder finals that will be filmed subsequently to the WSOB. The system is described in the press release as follows:

The new system, which impacts how the sport is scored as well as the format for competition, will be unveiled during the WBT Finals. The singles match play competition will be conducted as follows:

1) A match will involve 12 frames.

2) In each frame, each player will throw one shot.

3) If Player A gets a higher pin count than Player B, he/she will win the frame.

4) If both players strike, the frame will be tied.

5) If neither player strikes, but each has the same pin count, each player will try to convert the spare. If both successfully convert their spares, the frame will be a tie. If one player has a higher pin count than the other after two shots, that player will win the frame.

6) Scoring for the match will reflect who has won the most frames (example, 1 up, 2 up, etc. All-square means the match is tied).

7) At the point one player has won more frames than frames remain (example: 3 up after 10 frames), he/she will be declared the winner.

8) If a match is “all-square” after 12 frames, the tie will be broken using the single-frame format described above until the tie is broken.

The new system emphasizes winning the frame, much like golf’s Ryder Cup places emphasis on winning a hole. This new system is expected to dramatically reduce the length of time and complexity of scoring required to complete a two-player match.

What do you all think?

[Amyers]

We have a perfectly adequate scoring system now and computers for the math challenged idiots who couldn't figure it out why do we need something new? Fix the real problems with bowling leave the scoring system that has been in place for the last 100 years or so alone.

[RobLV1]

The idea is not to replace the existing system, but simply to introduce a new one for match play; a format the is rarely used in league bowling. I like the idea that it will get rid of the whole "I average 230, so I must be as good as the pros." Like the Ryder Cup in golf, it's just a different format, not meant to replace traditional medal play.

[Mike White]

The idea is not to replace the existing system, but simply to introduce a new one for match play; a format the is rarely used in league bowling. I like the idea that it will get rid of the whole "I average 230, so I must be as good as the pros." Like the Ryder Cup in golf, it's just a different format, not meant to replace traditional medal play.

That system significantly devalues spare shooting.

A frame by frame scoring system could be.

X vs X no points.
X vs / one point
X vs - two points.
/ vs / no points
/ vs - one point
- vs - no points.

[Jaescrub]

Instill think its lame. That is all ha ha

[MICHAEL]

Wow,,, this is WEIRD!! Just this last Saturday at the Plattsburg Wood lanes I decided to try something different! Not as thought out as this new way, but we decide to only score strikes and spares, giving a strike 2 point, and a spare 1 point,,, winner was the one with the most points!

It was something different! Ok to be honest the wood was REAL TOUGH after being played on that day, (kids party rented the alley).

So to not get discouraged, Ice came up with X's, and /spares. A perfect score would be 24!

This new scoring could be fun for a change, but not something I would want for a serious sanctioned league. Maybe this would appeal to the relational bowlers, and get more into the bowling establishments.

I might bowl a non sanctioned league with this scoring just for the fun of it!

EASY TO UNDERSTAND for the novice non league bowler! This might help the game, not the sport, but is that such a bad thing??

Hope it brings more back to the lanes!!! (:)

I Like This new option,,, could be fun! Like your golf analogy, many ways to play that game, why not bowling!

[striker12]

this new score system is kinda dumb heres a example for you, say me and mike Fagan where bowler and it was with this new system I could go and leave a 7-10 split and mike Fagan leaves up the 3-6-10, I win because we don't have to throw down any spare shots.

and another thing how is anyone else going to throw a 300 on a tv if they use this system

[mc_runner]

Edit: my bad, I totally read the rules wrong the first time.

If you think about it this isn't a whole lot different than what happens in a sudden death playoff after a tie.

I'm kinda mixed about this. It'll definitely speed up the matches and probably make for more intuitive watching for a casual viewer to understand. And, let's be honest the PBA needs to do SOMETHING to stay relevant in any way. However I would not want this format to make it to any type of local thing (tournament, qualifying, leagues, etc) that would impact the traditional game scoring.

[Aslan]

We fear change.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TtGQnyPZ6g

[RobLV1]

this new score system is kinda dumb heres a example for you, say me and mike Fagan where bowler and it was with this new system I could go and leave a 7-10 split and mike Fagan leaves up the 3-6-10, I win because we don't have to throw down any spare shots.

and another thing how is anyone else going to throw a 300 on a tv if they use this system

Two issues:

1) The shot that left the 3-6-10 was a bad shot. The shot that left the 7-10 was, most probably, a much better shot with some real bad luck. The better first shot is rewarded.

2) Noone is going to shoot a 300 on TV. Score is not the point. Winning is the point.

[Aslan]

If it aint broke, then why….oh. Nevermind.

But yeah, I think it's stupid and yet another attempt to change bowling into something more popular that just serves to drive it's faithful away.

[striker12]

Two issues:

1) The shot that left the 3-6-10 was a bad shot. The shot that left the 7-10 was, most probably, a much better shot with some real bad luck. The better first shot is rewarded.

2) Noone is going to shoot a 300 on TV. Score is not the point. Winning is the point.

yeah rob think of this because you seem to like to complain with everyone, the person that leaves a 7-10 split will only get a 8 or 9 count in that frame and possibly spare it but the person that gets the 3-6-10 can make the spare and can get up to a 20 count, so doing this where the 7-10 wins witch is very dumb.

you say no one is going to shoot a 300 on tv because with this there is no chance of it, and you say score is not the point, then how would you get more people into bowling because when they see a 300 shot on the tv they would more likely want to join rather then a dumb setup like this.

[bowl1820]

The thing about this is how so many people are thinking they are talking about changing all of bowling as they know it.

This is just one tournament, that's not even a USBC or PBA tournament. It's just a WTBA tournament they are talking about.

Your not going to see this in regular leagues or tournaments, except maybe as a option format like a baker game etc.

If it shows up on Tv on the PBA, it will be a curiosity at first. Everyone will say "What the hell is that! That's not bowling" they'll do it a few weeks and they'll go back to regular bowling because of all the negative mail on it.

Like the Blue oil, a lot of hype leading up to it, then they show it a couple of times. Now nobody even mentions it, except maybe once in a "Blue Moon" if even that.

The main thing this might do is fuel a lot discussion.

[Aslan]

I agree with Bowl1820. This is yet another gimmicky thing that will not really change the sport.

The way I see it, automatic pinsetters…followed by computerized scoring…THOSE were the big changes that stuck. Everything else has been just minor background noise. Patterns, technology, wrist positioners….obviously changes have happened and we can al argue if it was good or bad or if it was major or minor. But the PBA has tried to make little tweaks for a LONG time…since bowling started to dip in terms of interest back in the 80s…and nothing has killed it and nothing has helped it.

If the World wants to go to this type of scoring…maybe in some countries it'll catch on and lead to more interest in bowling. I think the US is too attached to the records and the scoring to ever have this really make a big impact; positive or negative.

[bowl1820]

yeah rob think of this because you seem to like to complain with everyone,

First everyone, just because some as a opposing view on what someone else has said. doesn't mean they are complaining about or attacking someone.

Remember
"How to Write a Good Forum Post Rule #8: Always attack the argument, never the person.
In a casual conversation, direct address and use of the word "you" when responding to posts is entirely reasonable. It is necessary, however, to be very careful when doing so. It is surprisingly common how often posters inadvertently sleight other posters when addressing them.

Always be careful when you directly address another poster that you avoid in any way attacking them or their character. If the poster is wrong, then prove that they are wrong by attacking their argument with good counterarguments. It keeps your post more succinct, on topic, and at a level of maturity that better transmits your message."

In this instance Striker, Rob wasn't complaining or attacking you personally. He just stated his thoughts on your post.

Now you saying that Rob likes to "complain with everyone" is not attacking the argument and should have been left off.

I don't want to see anything get started here, like happened over at bowlingintel.


the person that leaves a 7-10 split will only get a 8 or 9 count in that frame and possibly spare it but the person that gets the 3-6-10 can make the spare and can get up to a 20 count, so doing this where the 7-10 wins witch is very dumb.

you say no one is going to shoot a 300 on tv because with this there is no chance of it, and you say score is not the point, then how would you get more people into bowling because when they see a 300 shot on the tv they would more likely want to join rather then a dumb setup like this.

Now your opinion stated here is fine, you think this alternate scoring system is dumb that's ok plenty of others have the same opinion.

This system is just being tested by the WTB in one tournament, that's not even a USBC or PBA tournament. It's not replacing how we bowl now and not likely too. It's not designed for replacing league bowling, it's just a alternate system for the stepladder part of that tournament.

Personally I think it would have been more interesting if they tried The Petraglia Scoring System which counts a player’s total number of shots rather than total pinfall. A bowler throws as many shots as it takes to knock down all 10 pins in a frame.

The scoring is similar to golf in that the lower your score, the better. A strike is one(1) point. A normal spare is two(2) points. In this system, the perfect score possible is 10, as there are no fill balls in the tenth frame.

The Petraglia Scoring System would still place emphasis on striking and spare making ability.

[striker12]

First everyone, just because some as a opposing view on what someone else has said. doesn't mean they are complaining about or attacking someone.

Remember
"How to Write a Good Forum Post Rule #8: Always attack the argument, never the person.
In a casual conversation, direct address and use of the word "you" when responding to posts is entirely reasonable. It is necessary, however, to be very careful when doing so. It is surprisingly common how often posters inadvertently sleight other posters when addressing them.

Always be careful when you directly address another poster that you avoid in any way attacking them or their character. If the poster is wrong, then prove that they are wrong by attacking their argument with good counterarguments. It keeps your post more succinct, on topic, and at a level of maturity that better transmits your message."

In this instance Striker, Rob wasn't complaining or attacking you personally. He just stated his thoughts on your post.

Now you saying that Rob likes to "complain with everyone" is not attacking the argument and should have been left off.

I don't want to see anything get started here, like happened over at bowlingintel.



Now your opinion stated here is fine, you think this alternate scoring system is dumb that's ok plenty of others have the same opinion.

This system is just being tested by the WTB in one tournament, that's not even a USBC or PBA tournament. It's not replacing how we bowl now and not likely too. It's not designed for replacing league bowling, it's just a alternate system for the stepladder part of that tournament.

Personally I think it would have been more interesting if they tried The Petraglia Scoring System which counts a player’s total number of shots rather than total pinfall. A bowler throws as many shots as it takes to knock down all 10 pins in a frame.

The scoring is similar to golf in that the lower your score, the better. A strike is one(1) point. A normal spare is two(2) points. In this system, the perfect score possible is 10, as there are no fill balls in the tenth frame.

The Petraglia Scoring System would still place emphasis on striking and spare making ability.

yes I bowl I understand what you are saying I was not attacking him, to sum it up here he started the thread with this it was never a question so people can make there opinion that's it, so why would rob have to come back and reply to my opinion about 2 issues from what I said that right there is complaining about what someone had to say, if he said that to me and the thread was on a question it would be different. "he is question what I said", but in a opinion you don't go and say 2 issues and make remarks about them, it under stand able the 7-10 split can be back puck or a bad shot the 3-6-10 is not classed has a bad shot it just grabbed alittle bit to much on the backend.

see right there what I just put there are opinion on it, you never go and tell someone on a opinion there are 2 issues with what that person posted, I also think putting the remark about not being able to threw a 300 on tv is actually a good one because before people join a league they see it on youtube or the tv.

as you said in a earlier post bowl with is only for the WTBA and not the PBA but bowl it was the PBA's decision to do this and they will probably use it in other events, we don't know we can only speculate.

[MICHAEL]

Wow,, so many closed minded bowlers!! I am open to any fun spin off! Your still throwing the ball down the lane and shooting for strikes, and spares??

I would expect closed mindedness form old farts like me? But young guys/gals???? It's not, nor was it conceived to take the place of the present method of keeping score Striker, and Aslan, its simply another way to enjoy an outing at the lanes!

kind of like making love? Variety is the spice of life!! Sorry Aslan for using the analogy making love! I know its been a while, but Ice is still looking for a good woman, you might find That love boat connection with!

I for one like it as an alternative scoring method, that I just might use on my next visit to the WOOD LANES of Plattsburg! Man they are tough!!

Most of you would not like bowing this Thursday night league with the Farm boys!

They change the oil EVERY WEEK, not only the length, but pattern. They did that heavier oil on the out side, lighter in the middle again this evening!

I never know what to expect, they make their minds up on oil pattern just before bowling every Thursday afternoon!!

I like the challenge!!! Change is a GOOD THING! Enjoy this new twist, I know I will!! Loosen up those hard heads, and just enjoy!

[bowl1820]

yes I bowl I understand what you are saying I was not attacking him, to sum it up here he started the thread with this it was never a question so people can make there opinion that's it, so why would rob have to come back and reply to my opinion about 2 issues from what I said that right there is complaining about what someone had to say, if he said that to me and the thread was on a question it would be different. "he is question what I said", but in a opinion you don't go and say 2 issues and make remarks about them, it under stand able the 7-10 split can be back puck or a bad shot the 3-6-10 is not classed has a bad shot it just grabbed alittle bit to much on the backend.

see right there what I just put there are opinion on it, you never go and tell someone on a opinion there are 2 issues with what that person posted,

Striker just because a post isn't started with a question doesn't mean someone can't comment on your or any other persons posted comment/opinion about that post. Just because someone comments on yours or somebody elses post doesn't make it complaining about what someone said.

The forums are for open discussion and others have the right to comment or rebut on a post and If you don't want someone to comment on something you said then don't post anything.

[striker12]

Striker just because a post isn't started with a question doesn't mean someone can't comment on your or any other persons posted comment/opinion about that post. Just because someone comments on yours or somebody elses post doesn't make it complaining about what someone said.

The forums are for open discussion and others have the right to comment or rebut on a post and If you don't want someone to comment on something you said then don't post anything.

I never said no one can comment on my post everything I put in the post happens all the time even on other threads, so why should I stop posting because someone had a problem with my post, all I did was say why dose he have to complain about a post its a dame opinion about someone new just like the blue oil everyone made a opinion about it just like you said earlier, why dose 1 person have to go right at my post when there are other peoples posts saying different thing but mine was a problem for him.

so explain to me why i should stop posting when all i did was make a opinion and then rob goes and complains about my post it seems like you and him don't like Canadians at all.

[bowl1820]

I never said no one can comment on my post everything I put in the post happens all the time even on other threads, so why should I stop posting because someone had a problem with my post, all I did was say why dose he have to complain about a post its a dame opinion.

Why do you consider it a complaint? he just stated what his view was on what you said. Just like you making comments his post, doe's that make you a complainer too?

If anybody disagrees with one of your posts, doe's that make them complainers too? If not why is it just rob is considered a complainer?



about someone new just like the blue oil everyone made a opinion about it just like you said earlier, why dose 1 person have to go right at my post when there are other peoples posts saying different thing but mine was a problem for him.

He did comment on someone else post. Amyers made comment and Rob commented on it. So you were not singled out.


so explain to me why i should stop posting when all i did was make a opinion and then rob goes and complains about my post
Striker I'm just saying if all you want to see are just comments that only agree with what you say. It's not going to happen, somebody is going to have a differing opinion than you and if you can't handle them commenting on it . Then just don't post anything, otherwise you have to learn not to take everything as a personnel attack against you.



it seems like you and him don't like Canadians at all.

As far as I'm concerned everyone here is a just bowler, I don't care if you are a Canadian or from Mars, so don't even try to play that card.

See this is a perfect example, you don't like what I said. So that means to you I hate Canadian's.

[striker12]

Why do you consider it a complaint? he just stated what his view was on what you said. Just like you making comments his post, doe's that make you a complainer too?

If anybody disagrees with one of your posts, doe's that make them complainers too? If not why is it just rob is considered a complainer?




He did comment on someone else post. Amyers made comment and Rob commented on it. So you were not singled out.


Striker I'm just saying if all you want to see are just comments that only agree with what you say. It's not going to happen, somebody is going to have a differing opinion than you and if you can't handle them commenting on it . Then just don't post anything, otherwise you have to learn not to take everything as a personnel attack against you.




As far as I'm concerned everyone here is a just bowler, I don't care if you are a Canadian or from Mars.

how about you look at his post after amyer he made his opinion of the thread he never made it at the start, I don't want anyone to agree with me and how was I complaining because I calling him a complainer.

how about you go back and read what I put all I said was "this is a dumb idea it takes away people from bowling when people who don't bowl see this on tv" people will think this happens in leagues!!, (that is just a sum up of it) when someone who is a non bowler see's a 300 on tv they get interested but rob comes back saying " Noone is going to shoot a 300 on TV. Score is not the point. Winning is the point. " !!!!!!!! that's a double negative how can you win with out scores you have to beat the other persons score.

also saying no one is going to shoot a 300 on tv there has already been 26 I think it is last one by Jason Belmonte at the world series of bowling shark open.(not sure of the year)

like it seems that you rather just side with rob with out even actually reading the posts fully when he made his comment all I did was make few points, if he makes a comment at least he should not insult what that person opinion was.

if they wanted to do this format they should do it in a non televised match to see what it looks like, but maybe put it on extra frames and see other peoples opinion about it rather then put it on tv where no one can make a opinion during the match!!!.

yeah bowl I did not like what you posts does not work with what you put because you kinda attacked me by telling me to never post again read what you put before you say something like that.

[bowl1820]

how about you look at his post after amyer he made his opinion of the thread he never made it at the start, I don't want anyone to agree with me and how was I complaining because I calling him a complainer.
I have read the posts,
Rob made the original post.
Then Amyers commented on it.
Then Rob commented about Amyers post.


how about you go back and read what I put all I said was "this is a dumb idea it takes away people from bowling when people who don't bowl see this on tv" people will think this happens in leagues!!, (that is just a sum up of it) when someone who is a non bowler see's a 300 on tv they get interested but rob comes back saying " Noone is going to shoot a 300 on TV. Score is not the point. Winning is the point. " !!!!!!!! that's a double negative how can you win with out scores you have to beat the other persons score.

Striker when he said no one was going shoot a 300 on Tv, he was referring to your comment about "how is anyone else going to throw a 300 on a tv if they use this system" .

He meant that no, they weren't going to shoot a 300 or any type of normal bowling score. Because that type of scoring wasn't what the new format is about. They don't keep that kind of score using this new format.


also saying no one is going to shoot a 300 on tv there has already been 26 I think it is last one by Jason Belmonte at the world series of bowling shark open.(not sure of the year)

Those 300's were shot on Tv were using how we normally score, As I said he was referring to the new format they are trying, Not how bowling is normally scored.


like it seems that you rather just side with rob with out even actually reading the posts fully when he made his comment all I did was make few points, if he makes a comment at least he should not insult what that person opinion was.

I've have read all the posts Striker, He did not insult you in anyway.

All he said was


Two issues:

1) The shot that left the 3-6-10 was a bad shot. The shot that left the 7-10 was, most probably, a much better shot with some real bad luck. The better first shot is rewarded.

2) Noone is going to shoot a 300 on TV. Score is not the point. Winning is the point.

There's nothing insulting about that.


if they wanted to do this format they should do it in a non televised match to see what it looks like, but maybe put it on extra frames and see other peoples opinion about it rather then put it on tv where no one can make a opinion during the match!!!.
Well they could have, but they didn't.


yeah bowl I did not like what you posts does not work with what you put because you kinda attacked me by telling me to never post again read what you put before you say something like that.

Striker I never said to you to " never post again", I said if you don't want people commenting on your posts then just don't post. Otherwise get use to others having differing opinions than yours.

[striker12]

I have read the posts,
Rob made the original post.
Then Amyers commented on it.
Then Rob commented about Amyers post.



Striker when he said no one was going shoot a 300 on Tv, he was referring to your comment about "how is anyone else going to throw a 300 on a tv if they use this system" .

He meant that no, they weren't going to shoot a 300 or any type of normal bowling score. Because that type of scoring wasn't what the new format is about. They don't keep that kind of score using this new format.



Those 300's were shot on Tv were using how we normally score, As I said he was referring to the new format they are trying, Not how bowling is normally scored.



I've have read all the posts Striker, He did not insult you in anyway.

All he said was


There's nothing insulting about that.


Well they could have, but they didn't.



Striker I never said to you to " never post again", I said if you don't want people commenting on your posts then just don't post. Otherwise get use to others having differing opinions than yours.

ok bowl you got some good points there but you are changing his words you don't know if that's the way he meant it or not,

now where you just said I never told you to never post again is in different words from what you said it means the same thing.

I never said he insulted me at all I said he insulted my opinion the last thing on the first post of this thread says (What do you all think?)


now about the 300 he said scores are not the point, winning is the point, how do you get this out of my opinion when I said no one can throw a 300 this way, I was just giving a point about this system not allowing you bowl with regular scoring system, this is what I meant out of it. just saying this system would not allow any rewards and would turn people away from the sport where we want to build this sport and get it out there.

[Amyers]

Well at the end of it I do believe that this new scoring system will do nothing to improve the game and has the potential to hurt it. I've seen other sports try different scoring systems especially in golf and they haven't ever taken off and I don't expect it to be any different here. I believe some of this reaches back to trying to get bowling into the Olympic games as I have seen some comments by some people (sorry for the lack of specifics but I don't remember who or where I seen it) working on that about this new system also. If we have to gut the game to get it in what's the point.

Striker I do believe bowl was just wanting you to be open to return fire on your posts and if we are using words like "stupid" lets try to make sure its obvious we are talking about the idea and not the person. Too all who post do keep in mind this is an internet forum about a sport many of us have personal opinions about and it is okay to get a little rough and rowdy but with respect for each other.

[MICHAEL]

My fellow bowling friends, don't be afraid of options! LOL,,LOL,,,,Wow,,, its simply giving us an OPTION, another way to play the game we all love!
I can't believe so many of you are WORRIED that it will destroy bowling AS WE KNOW IT!

It's imploding as WE BOWL without this new simple system of keeping score!

I hate to say this but LOOK AROUND, lanes closing all over this country, including one I bowled at that had sentimental significance to Ice!

It's time to TRY OUT NEW THINGS, old school is NOT bring in the customers!!

DON'T PANIC,,,, (:) This looks like FUN TO ME!!

Will it take the place of old school scoring,,, NO!!

Wow I can't get over how worried many of you are over NOTHING! (:) Try it,,,,,, Mikeie likes!! LOL

[MICHAEL]

Even Aslan's brother can't wait to try out the new system! He also said that the current system discriminates against bowlers that can't control their body parts! Aslan's brother says: "Bring it on,,, Bring it on!" http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg546/imagine686868/omgcw_zpsdzcamcvu.gif (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/imagine686868/media/omgcw_zpsdzcamcvu.gif.html)

maybe with this system, " I CAN BE A STAR,,, I Can be a contender, I can be somebody!"

[RobLV1]

Well said, Iceman. I was just posting, verbatim, the Press Release that was sent out by the PBA. I didn't realize I was opening this whole can of worms. The Stableford scoring system in golf will never replace traditional scoring, but there is one Stableford tournament each year and, frankly, it's kind of fun to watch. I think that the WBT matchplay system will be kind of like that. It will certainly identify WBT events on television that currently often get lost among the PBA telecasts that viewers are used to seeing. What most bowlers don't seem to understand is that with the new PBA limited schedule, much of the serious bowling events take place all around the world, and are sponsored by the WBT. When the PBA stars aren't at the WSOB or in Oklahoma, many are travelling the world competing with the best from other countries.

Note that this was written in response to the first one from Iceman, not the second.

[vdubtx]

I think this scoring system will certainly be interesting to watch. Will be neat to see something different for sure.

One of my favorite quotes from the great Sci-Fi writer Isaac Asimov “Your assumptions are your windows on the world. Scrub them off every once in a while, or the light won't come in.”

[MICHAEL]

I think this scoring system will certainly be interesting to watch. Will be neat to see something different for sure.

One of my favorite quotes from the great Sci-Fi writer Isaac Asimov “Your assumptions are your windows on the world. Scrub them off every once in a while, or the light won't come in.”

Wow,,, vdubtx,,, Isaac Asimov is one of MY Favorite science fiction writers, I have MANY of his books! Many out there might remember the movie that was out not that long ago: I Robot. I also have his book called: A Study of the Old and New testament. Very interesting book on the origins of the bible, from a purely historical and secular view.

GREAT QUOTE!! (:)

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a221/FlyingVProd/AsimovJPG.jpg (http://media.photobucket.com/user/FlyingVProd/media/AsimovJPG.jpg.html)

[bowl1820]

ok bowl you got some good points there but you are changing his words you don't know if that's the way he meant it or not,

Okay I don't know if that's the way he meant it or not, But that's how I took it and I explained it to you the way I see what he said.

The same goes for you too, you don't know how he meant it either and you took what he said a different way.


now where you just said I never told you to never post again is in different words from what you said it means the same thing.
I said if you don't want people commenting on your posts then just don't post, If you read that and think it means never post again so be it.


I never said he insulted me at all I said he insulted my opinion the last thing on the first post of this thread says (What do you all think?)

Okay he didn't insult you personally, then you have no reason to be upset about it.

He addressed the opinion you posted, It's not a insult to the opinion to post a counterargument to that opinion that is what the forums are for.


now about the 300 he said scores are not the point, winning is the point, how do you get this out of my opinion when I said no one can throw a 300 this way, I was just giving a point about this system not allowing you bowl with regular scoring system, this is what I meant out of it.

Striker you asked in your post "how is anyone else going to throw a 300 on a tv if they use this system "

I'll answer that, their not going too if they are using that system.


just saying this system would not allow any rewards and would turn people away from the sport where we want to build this sport and get it out there.

What rewards is it not allowing? You mean things like a 300 ring or a all spare game award etc. etc.?

This a new system just being tested, it can't be said it "would not allow any rewards".

Because It's not even remotely close to the point, where they have even thought up awards too give for bowling using the system in the first place.

As for "turning people away" that's why this is a "TEST" to see what people think of it.

[BowlingBoards.com]

We want to let you all know that everyone's opinion is welcomed and appreciated (as long as it doesn't break any forum rules and we speak in a civil manner). This specific topic is an interesting one and we understand people having strong feelings about it. There have been a lot of really good questions posed here.

Here is how we see it:

Rob: Thank you for posting this new scoring system. This is the first we've heard of it and it's very interesting. This is never going to overtake the standard scoring model, but it could be a lot of fun to bowl a match play event using it.

Striker: You brought up an awesome point about someone leaving a 7-10 as opposed to a 7 count split that is easier to convert and still winning the frame. This is an extremely valid point and a question that should be asked. Rob made a great point that normally a 7-10 is a decent shot where you get unlucky where something like the 3-6-10 is a bad shot or failure to adjust that often results in a split. We agree with bowl1820 that Rob wasn't trying to insult you, but just give his 2 cents on your very good question.

Let's all get along because some really good bowling discussion can come from this. Always try to read other's posts in the most positive way you can instead of in the most negative way. Text doesn't have inflection so we shouldn't assume someone means something when we don't know for sure.

[vdubtx]

Very well said Admin.

[Aslan]

Let's all get along because some really good bowling discussion can come from this. Always try to read other's posts in the most positive way you can instead of in the most negative way. Text doesn't have inflection so we shouldn't assume someone means something when we don't know for sure.

My strategy and advice for all internet posters is...read every thread as if the person is Betty White. It's nearly impossible to be insulted by Betty White. Also, if that doesn't work, imagine the person posting the thread to be in their underpants, black socks, picking their nose. Hard to get insulted by a person like that.

[fortheloveofbowling]

More mental images i will have to block from my mind. Remember a lot of us have watched the bowling videos on this site and already know what some of you look like. Now you are asking us to picture you in your tighty whiteys? NO i won't do it!!!!!!!!!

[Aslan]

More mental images i will have to block from my mind. Remember a lot of us have watched the bowling videos on this site and already know what some of you look like. Now you are asking us to picture you in your tighty whiteys? NO i won't do it!!!!!!!!!

Well...not ME. Just the OTHER posters that are annoying.

Obviously for me you'd picture a guy with the mind of that Stephen Hawking guy and a body like Justin Timberlake. But since I'm never annoying or mean sounding...it doesn't apply to me. But like, when I read a post by Bowl1820 or DHoff...and I start to think that maybe they are being mean or sarcastic...I will just read it as if Betty White is saying it and all the sudden everything is better!!! I swear it works!!

I don't have to use it for Iceman anymore. Now that I've met him...I realize he's just as looney as I thought....so when he gets going...its like when a toddler colors you a picture of something that looks nothing like what they say it is....you just kinda smile and shake your head and say, "oh...thats cute. THANK YOU for that." If it's a post about lesions and has a helicoptor crashing into a baby being attacked by an Octopus and somehow that is related to some bowling thing...you just smile, and thank him for that GREAT post and picture.

Strategy, strategy, strategy...

The internet is all about winning strategies. Gotta stay positive...stay strong...stay clean...stay true....and use your superior intellect and charisma to dominate the World.

[Amyers]

Well...not ME. Just the OTHER posters that are annoying.

Obviously for me you'd picture a guy with the mind of that Stephen Hawking guy and a body like Justin Timberlake. .

Are you sure you didn't mean the body of Stephen Hawking and the mind of Justin Timberlake? Sounds closer to reality!

[fortheloveofbowling]

Also, when i'm on the site i always wear white socks.

[MICHAEL]

Also, when i'm on the site i always wear white socks.

sometimes I don't wear my pants, just underwear and no shirt, while on this site!! Ice

[fortheloveofbowling]

I do really enjoy this site as well! Just not quite that much! But you do bowl in a lot of leagues and obviously love this sport, just don't show up at league that way! Now that we know your posting attire, please never write the words: I AM VERY EXCITED ABOUT MY BOWLING. Thanks in advance for that consideration.

[MICHAEL]

I do really enjoy this site as well! Just not quite that much! But you do bowl in a lot of leagues and obviously love this sport, just don't show up at league that way! Now that we know your posting attire, please never write the words: I AM VERY EXCITED ABOUT MY BOWLING. Thanks in advance for that consideration.


For the LOVE of Pete,,, I don't get excited while on this site!! I am just more comfortable with my pants, and shirt off, LOL,,, LOL!!
My skin is very sensitive to artificial dyes, and many synthetic fabrics.

Its not a posting attire, I ((( ALWAYS dress up NICE for POSTING )))!!

The last time I really,,, REALLY got excited was when I was in Vegas with my wife! Iceman got real excited when he whipped the young Aslan, on his home turf, ( almost). I hope he makes the effort to bowl Iceman on WOOD this coming June 13th!!! In the year of our lord 2015!!

HEY,,, I am excited about my bowing... (:) had a 741 today!! LOL

[fortheloveofbowling]

Since the thread has been hijacked, back to the original topic. I really don't care for the wbt scoring system but maybe for this one instance something different will be interesting.

[MICHAEL]

Since the thread has been hijacked, back to the original topic. I really don't care for the wbt scoring system but maybe for this one instance something different will be interesting.

Wow,,, this thread has not been hijacked, anymore then any other thead has here in the past! LOL Wow,,, In my long time on this site, I would say 50 percent get hijacked, or go off in another direction.

No need to get upset,,, just stick with the subject and get us back on track,,,,,,,, IF YOU CAN!! LOL

Fun and entertainment are also a HUGE part of this site, not just boring, this is my opinion, or thoughts!

There is room for Both!

For the love of Pete, lighten up!! (:)

[fortheloveofbowling]

I was just joking, i agree totally.