When to resurface your ball

[circlecity]

When should I resurface my Hyper Cell? What sort of ball reaction should I be looking for that tells me it's time. I have noticed recently that I have been leaving more 10 pins than usual. I have a good amount of games used with it.

[foreverincamo]

Contact the manufacturer on their website and ask them. Most places say clean it every time you use it, and resurface it every 30 - 45 games. I resurface my DV8 Marauder Mutiny once a month, and clean it after every time I bowl.

[Amyers]

I freshen the surface about every 15 games on my asylum just hit it for a few seconds with whatever surface it is at currently 2000 and do a completed resurface about every 75

[circlecity]

How many times can you resurface a ball?

[Amyers]

I don't know if there is a limit you are only removing thin layers off so you could completely resurface a ball many times before running out of coverstock

[vdubtx]

I wouldn't resurface as much as some people would. I typically go a couple months of use before I would put it up on my spinner and resurface.

I would say once the ball stops reacting to lanes they way it used to or you have a definite track showing on the ball it is probably ready. I clean my balls everytime after use so it helps to keep some oil from loading up in them.

My own $.03.

[Blacksox1]

How many times can you resurface a ball?

I have the answer! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ0epRjfGLw :)

[circlecity]

Thanks for the information. Most of you were helpful.

[Stormed1]

Using a surfaace scanner it has been shown that the surface texture of a current ball changes significantly over the course of 3 games. Common practice nowdays is to refresh the surface every 15 games and a full resurface every 75-100

[vdubtx]

And by refresh, you typically only do the last step in the resurface process for the particular ball. The last step for a Hyper Cell is to take 2000-grit Abralon and Sand for 10 seconds on all four sides with light pressure.

For Roto-Grip balls, this link is very informative: Roto-Grip Resurface Instructions (http://www.rotogrip.com/download.php?obj_id=956)

[Mike White]

I don't know if there is a limit you are only removing thin layers off so you could completely resurface a ball many times before running out of coverstock

You will have a lot of problems long before running out of coverstock.

Coverstock is usually about 1/2" thick.

The USBC rules on diameter have a difference between a ball too big, and one too small of about 1/10"

The ball return mechanism is fairly sensitive to the ball's size, and how much oil is on the surface.

You're more likely to have a resin ball shrink on it's own than sand 1/10" off of it.

[striker12]

i just got my rumble back from my proshop and he actually talked with roto-grip and they said to him to tell me that i should take a 2000 grit pad to my ball after every 10 games, so that is just over a week, It will help so the ball does not change as fast and normal (as in hook wise proshop's words).

All i have to do first and wait for my new shipment of polish to come in before i can do it i used the rest of my testing out new surfaces on it last night.

doing the 2000 on it every 10 games is not with a ball spinners but by hand with not much pressure at all, I will just use a ball spinner to put the polish back on the ball, makes it easier and faster

[fortheloveofbowling]

Circlecity, Usually 40-50 games is about right for most balls. It is very important though to clean after every set as i'm sure you know. I have never been one to get crazy with resurfacing a lot. It always seems odd to me to hear guys talk about doing anything other than a good cleaning until something more is needed. I have had bowling balls that i hated out of the box and when it got some lane shine on it loved it. When you start messing with resurfacing at home or at the pro shop you need really consider what you are looking for. Good luck to you.

[dnhoffman]

I would have your pro shop rejuvenate it (de-oil and resurface) - the de-oiling is generally much more effective.

I would read this:
http://www.innovativebowling.com/products/brunswick%20oven%20research.html

[Hammer]

If your ball is not reacting like it was when it was new a good de-oiling and a resurfacing is all you might need instead of going out and buying a new ball.

[dnhoffman]

Oil clogging your pores man!

[RobLV1]

Oil clogging your pores man!

Exactly... and what does polish do? Clogs the pores!

[dnhoffman]

Exactly... and what does polish do? Clogs the pores!

So sayith Mo, so sayith we all.

[circlecity]

I went ahead and had my hyper cell re-surfaced. Not a complete resurface but it looked pretty much new. Did it help? Well I did shoot 698 instead of my 600+ lately.

[circlecity]

I would have your pro shop rejuvenate it (de-oil and resurface) - the de-oiling is generally much more effective.

I would read this:
http://www.innovativebowling.com/products/brunswick%20oven%20research.html I wish my pro shop had a de-oil machine. Heck he barely has enough room in there to drill balls and sand. almost like a closet. :)

[Bradski9]

You can have bowlingball.com resurface your ball for $29, pretty good deal for me considering my bowling alley charges $60 to resurface.. Bowlingball.com also pays for the shipping both ways.

[Mike White]

I don't think $30 is such a great deal, its just that your bowling alley has such a bad deal.

For $30, I de-oil, and diamond grind (Haas) the ball back to "perfect" round, then sand to the desired grit, and polish if needed.

If all you need is the sanding multiple grits, and polish if needed, I charge $5.

[Mike White]

Exactly... and what does polish do? Clogs the pores!

Polish that is intended for bowling does not clog pores.
It's like a fine liquid sandpaper.

A Luster King (intended for Rubber, Plastic, Urethane) applies a wax like substance to the surface, and that clogs pores of reactive resin.

[Mike White]

I wish my pro shop had a de-oil machine. Heck he barely has enough room in there to drill balls and sand. almost like a closet. :)

I know that feeling.

[Amyers]

Polish that is intended for bowling does not clog pores.
It's like a fine liquid sandpaper.

A Luster King (intended for Rubber, Plastic, Urethane) applies a wax like substance to the surface, and that clogs pores of reactive resin.

I'm not saying your wrong but I'm pretty sure Mo Pinel disagrees with you on this.

[Mike White]

I'm not saying your wrong but I'm pretty sure Mo Pinel disagrees with you on this.

If you read Mo's comments about polish, he prefers a sanded only ball because he feels he can be more consistent in replicating the surface each time.

http://forum.bowlingchat.net/viewtopic.php?p=70241#p70241

[Amyers]

If you read Mo's comments about polish, he prefers a sanded only ball because he feels he can be more consistent in replicating the surface each time.

I thought I had seen something from him along the lines of :Thousands of dollars in research and development and then you put something on it that clogs it pores: That is not an exact quote and I may have seen it somewhere else or improperly attributing it to him. Looked but I couldn't find it quickly so I may have been incorrect on that one.

[circlecity]

I don't think $30 is such a great deal, its just that your bowling alley has such a bad deal.

For $30, I de-oil, and diamond grind (Haas) the ball back to "perfect" round, then sand to the desired grit, and polish if needed.

If all you need is the sanding multiple grits, and polish if needed, I charge $5.

I paid $5 but all he did was put it on the spinner

[MICHAEL]

I don't think $30 is such a great deal, its just that your bowling alley has such a bad deal.

For $30, I de-oil, and diamond grind (Haas) the ball back to "perfect" round, then sand to the desired grit, and polish if needed.

If all you need is the sanding multiple grits, and polish if needed, I charge $5.

VERY REASONABLE,,, do you have picture of the Diamond grind? Or a link,,, sounds interesting! After you bowl the Plattsburg" Real Men Bowl on Wood in Small Bowling Establishments!" You will probably want to sale your house in CA, and move to Plattsburg!! We could use a Good Pro Shop with reasonable Rates!

[MICHAEL]

Polish that is intended for bowling does not clog pores.
It's like a fine liquid sandpaper.

A Luster King (intended for Rubber, Plastic, Urethane) applies a wax like substance to the surface, and that clogs pores of reactive resin.

I have to agree 100 percent about the Polish! My Virtual Gravity nanno looks like marble beautiful deep shine, and it hooks like a monster!!!
Its the one with POLISH that gave me that last 300, and 780! I SWEAR BY THE STUFF,,,! Polish does not clog a darn thing!

If fact my older IQ pearl the one that gave me my first perfect game, lost its great movement when the ball became dull. Pro shop guy looked at it and said it was burning up! I put the Storm Reacta shine on the ball using my spinner ,,, and it was like BORN AGAIN, sweet jesus!!

I have to agree with mike white on this view, and its only a view.

[MICHAEL]

I am looking for a fair price to pay for the abralon pads? Anyone order online and know a good place?

[Mike White]

VERY REASONABLE,,, do you have picture of the Diamond grind? Or a link,,, sounds interesting! After you bowl the Plattsburg" Real Men Bowl on Wood in Small Bowling Establishments!" You will probably want to sale your house in CA, and move to Plattsburg!! We could use a Good Pro Shop with reasonable Rates!

http://www.innovativebowling.com/products/images/haus%20machine.jpg

I have an older model so it doesn't hide as much of the ball while it's working.

[bowl1820]

VERY REASONABLE,,, do you have picture of the Diamond grind? Or a link,,, sounds interesting! After you bowl the Plattsburg" Real Men Bowl on Wood in Small Bowling Establishments!" You will probably want to sale your house in CA, and move to Plattsburg!! We could use a Good Pro Shop with reasonable Rates!

The diamond "Grind" he's referring to are the "diamond grit wheels" that are used on the Haus and Cook sphere machines.
http://www.kelleysproshop.com/images/resurfacing1.jpg

[fortheloveofbowling]

I am looking for a fair price to pay for the abralon pads? Anyone order online and know a good place?

I usually just get them on ebay. There are several dealers on there that you can order a variety of grits from.

[MICHAEL]

The diamond "Grind" he's referring to are the "diamond grit wheels" that are used on the Haus and Cook sphere machines.
http://www.kelleysproshop.com/images/resurfacing1.jpg

how long do the diamond wheels last on average? I would think quit some time, with diamond being so durable! Also Mike when you put a ball on it to resurface, does the amount of time depend on the depth of the surface scratches?

How long does and average ball take to resurface with this diamond wheel.

I know when I do a resurface Its probably not nearly as precise as this unit! Cool

I have seen machines like the uncovered one with pads, instead of diamond wheels? Any pictures of the wheels? Do they come with various types of wheels?

[bowl1820]

I have seen machines like the uncovered one with pads, instead of diamond wheels? Any pictures of the wheels? Do they come with various types of wheels?

The other wheels use J-hook wheels (velcro) and you just use abralon and scotchbrites pads on them.

[got_a_300]

I am looking for a fair price to pay for the abralon pads? Anyone order online and know a good place?



This place has some pretty good prices on the
Abralon® Discs (https://www.supergrit.com/products/products_discs-abralon.asp)

[dnhoffman]

Just do a quick google search for "bowling abralon pads" there are places that sell them pretty dark cheap

[foreverincamo]

Going to need to find all those good deals on Abralon pads. The wife said I could build a ball spinner if I kept it in the basement or made it look like something that belonged upstairs. I have a motor and a cabinet so far. I'll post pics once I'm done with it, or maybe a link to a video of it working.

[vdubtx]

I order mine from here...http://www.abralonpads.com/Category/1-abralon-pads.aspx

Free shipping.

[MICHAEL]

http://shop.innovativeballspinner.com/ I ordered 2 sets of the 7 for 16.00 bucks winds up being 2.28! Best deal I could find. I also two years age ordered their spinner,,, still up and going great!! Its a great varity pack, and by far the best price!

[vdubtx]

http://shop.innovativeballspinner.com/ I ordered 2 sets of the 7 for 16.00 bucks winds up being 2.28! Best deal I could find. I also two years age ordered their spinner,,, still up and going great!! Its a great varity pack, and by far the best price!

Don't you have to pay shipping? I remember it being $9 or so on top of the discs.

[MICHAEL]

Don't you have to pay shipping? I remember it being $9 or so on top of the discs.

I ordered two sets of 7 for the flat shipping fee of 8.95, still just under 3 bucks, at 2.92 ,,,,, best deal I could find, they are on their way!
14 disk for right at 40 bucks...

[Blacksox1]

I order mine from here...http://www.abralonpads.com/Category/1-abralon-pads.aspx

Free shipping.

Thanks vdubtx, placed now in my bookmarks. :)

[cdolce18]

I would have your pro shop rejuvenate it (de-oil and resurface) - the de-oiling is generally much more effective.

I would read this:
http://www.innovativebowling.com/products/brunswick%20oven%20research.html

+1

Be sure to de-oil from time to time. It really makes a difference. I hear guys talk about how their bowling balls "died" and were no longer reacting effectively. I have a ball spinner and the innovative ball reviver and I haven't had a ball die on me. My Mutant Cell is 5 years old and still reacts like when I first got it. The ball has thousands of games on it.

http://www.bowlingball.com/products/accessories/innovative/11320/personal-bowling-ball-revivor.html

[circlecity]

+1

Be sure to de-oil from time to time. It really makes a difference. I hear guys talk about how their bowling balls "died" and were no longer reacting effectively. I have a ball spinner and the innovative ball reviver and I haven't had a ball die on me. My Mutant Cell is 5 years old and still reacts like when I first got it. The ball has thousands of games on it.

http://www.bowlingball.com/products/accessories/innovative/11320/personal-bowling-ball-revivor.html

What sort of warranty do they have on the innovative ball reviver?

[got_a_300]

What sort of warranty do they have on the innovative ball reviver?

I would imagine that it would have 1 year warranty on it but why
pay that much for one when you can make your own ball oven for
around $80 like dnhoffman did right here it looks almost the same
to me.

ball oven (http://www.bowlingboards.com/threads/15710-DIY-Personal-Bowling-Ball-Oven?highlight=ball+ovens)

[Mike White]

What sort of warranty do they have on the innovative ball reviver?

I have one of these, and since you're not my customer :) It's well worth the money.

Had you been one of my customer, I'd have to go through some long song and dance about how hard it is to babysit the ball, then wipe it down, then repeat until it stops emitting oil. Hey I have to justify the cost somehow :)

Personally I hit the ball with 360 grit first, then put the ball in the reviver.

If there wasn't any oil coming out of the ball after then 1st 15 minutes (i.e. it didn't need to be revived) then all I charge for is the sanding / polishing process.

[dnhoffman]

I would imagine that it would have 1 year warranty on it but why
pay that much for one when you can make your own ball oven for
around $80 like dnhoffman did right here it looks almost the same
to me.

ball oven (http://www.bowlingboards.com/threads/15710-DIY-Personal-Bowling-Ball-Oven?highlight=ball+ovens)

Seriously guys....just, build, your, own!

I'm telling you with 110% certainty that it is INSANE to pay that kind of money when you can get the SAME results from my method with very very very VERY little added effort or risk.

I even built one for my home alley who now charges people $5 a ball to deoil.....and they're MAKING MONEY!

Just build one.... If you're here, you're serious enough to want and value this....trust me. If you build it and hate it, hell, pm me and I'll buy it from you for half cost and sell it to one of the 80 people who ask me about mine regularly.

[Mike White]

Seriously guys....just, build, your, own!

I'm telling you with 110% certainty that it is INSANE to pay that kind of money when you can get the SAME results from my method with very very very VERY little added effort or risk.

I even built one for my home alley who now charges people $5 a ball to deoil.....and they're MAKING MONEY!

Just build one.... If you're here, you're serious enough to want and value this....trust me. If you build it and hate it, hell, pm me and I'll buy it from you for half cost and sell it to one of the 80 people who ask me about mine regularly.

Why aren't those 80 people building their own rather than waiting for you to sell them one?

[Hampe]

Hmmm....maybe instead of asking for a Hyper Cell for my birthday I should ask for a ball oven :D

[MICHAEL]

Hmmm....maybe instead of asking for a Hyper Cell for my birthday I should ask for a ball oven :D

Read the thread, ( and I am sure you have already), about making your own! I have one that I put together for well under 100 bucks! IT WORKS GREAT!! Food dehydrator.... save yourself a couple hundred more bucks, or what ever they call money in your part of the woods! (:)

As I have said before a Spinner and de-oiling system is the BEST money a bowler can spend to not only have fun experimenting with surfaces, but to keep your expensive balls healthy!!

[circlecity]

Here is an oldie, only $750 http://www.obnoxiousantiques.com/inventory/1960s-coin-operated-bowling-ball-polishing-machine/

http://www.obnoxiousantiques.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/bowling-ball-polisher-3-300x225.jpg

[MICHAEL]

Here is an oldie, only $750 http://www.obnoxiousantiques.com/inventory/1960s-coin-operated-bowling-ball-polishing-machine/

http://www.obnoxiousantiques.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/bowling-ball-polisher-3-300x225.jpg

cool,,, but you can do SOOOOOO much more with your own spinner!! For the price of a new ball, get a spinner!!

[got_a_300]

cool,,, but you can do SOOOOOO much more with your own spinner!! For the price of a new ball, get a spinner!!

Agreed you can do a lot more with your own personal ball spinner
that polishing machine would be more for a nostalgia type piece of
equipment a blast from the past so to speak.

For $750 you could buy 3 ball spinners or 1 ball spinner and maybe
a couple of years or maybe almost a lifetime of siaair/abralon pads
for refinishing.

[circlecity]

It was a joke! I never said I wanted this but yeah I grew up with these machines so it would be cool to have.

[MICHAEL]

Thanks for the information. Most of you were helpful.

I think on this website, with all its wonderful information, a little humor is ok too! ;) I have The Hyper-Cell also, fantastic ball that has given
me some GREAT games and series!

I do have a spinner, and pretty much follow the manufactures guide. I even experiment with storm polish on it for a different look, and it looked great. Only reason I didn't leave the polish on, I have several other pearl balls including the Byte, Deadly Aim that get the ball DOWN and in, with the that same look.