Greater KC USBC seniors Tournament and ICEMAN

[MICHAEL]

We Are Hosting The Greater KC USBC Seniors Tournament
Sundays - November 2 and 9
We Are Sorry
We Will Have No Lanes For Open Bowling Those Sundays
Until 8:30 PM - 10 PM

Well this will be Iceman's FIRST tournament, it starts tomorrow! I start out at 1pm! Will post the GOOD, BAD, or UGLY
I have no, NONE delusions of grander!! LOL,,, just thought it would be an interesting experience!! Pat, The Beast Henderson will be there, along with a bunch of Early 50's Top Guns!

To me this is going to be about HAVING FUN, and seeing what its like to bowl in a USBC tournament!

[Mike White]

We Are Hosting The Greater KC USBC Seniors Tournament
Sundays - November 2 and 9
We Are Sorry
We Will Have No Lanes For Open Bowling Those Sundays
Until 8:30 PM - 10 PM

Well this will be Iceman's FIRST tournament, it starts tomorrow! I start out at 1pm! Will post the GOOD, BAD, or UGLY
I have no, NONE delusions of grander!! LOL,,, just thought it would be an interesting experience!! Pat, The Beast Henderson will be there, along with a bunch of Early 50's Top Guns!

To me this is going to be about HAVING FUN, and seeing what its like to bowl in a USBC tournament!


Well its good to know you aren't part of The Lesser KC USBC?

Single, Doubles, and Team,, all on the same day?? same weekend???

[J Anderson]

Best of luck, Iceman!

Sad to say, my best USBC tournament finish was in the first one I entered. Short format Tourneys involve a lot of luck. Quite often newer bowlers will get hot for a game or two and take advantage of the handicap format and cash, while more experienced bowlers who merely hit their averages for three games get shut out.

[vdubtx]

Awesome, best of luck at the tournament!!

Always have a good time while bowling in them.

[MICHAEL]

SHI#!! I just found out its going to be the White Pattern!!!!!! Maybe some of you remember that day I went to Pre-Bowl and the AMF had a White Pattern, not the standard THS they usually use. I couldn't figue it out!!! That's been a while back, and I have learned a lot more ways to adjust, but DID IT HAVE TO BE THE FIRCKEN WHITE PATTERN.

How should Ice attack it??? I have less then 24 hours to figure out which balls, and how to play it!!!



HELP!!

[fortheloveofbowling]

I've bowled on the white pattern several times. I'm guessing if you played left, say 12-15 you found them slick? You do want to be inside yes, maybe around 13-15 starting but playing steeper angles through the front to get the ball out far enough to find friction down lane. Second arrow and outside seems to play flatter and does not hold up long. In practice try to notice some close rev rates to yours and see the reactions they get. Having said that, never go in thinking you know exactly how a pattern is going to play. Good luck.

[MICHAEL]

I've bowled on the white pattern several times. I'm guessing if you played left, say 12-15 you found them slick? You do want to be inside yes, maybe around 13-15 starting but playing steeper angles through the front to get the ball out far enough to find friction down lane. Second arrow and outside seems to play flatter and does not hold up long. In practice try to notice some close rev rates to yours and see the reactions they get. Having said that, never go in thinking you know exactly how a pattern is going to play. Good luck.

thanks, I have a six ball bag, trying cover all bases at to which to bring. For sure the Hyber-Cell, Deadly Aim, maybe My Byte, IQ pearl butter scotch, Virtual gravity Nanno, and motive tribal.

The only solid ball will be the Hyber-Cell. I think I will take the polish off for this pattern! just go with the 360, then lightly 2000.

[vdubtx]

thanks, I have a six ball bag, trying cover all bases at to which to bring. For sure the Hyber-Cell, Deadly Aim, maybe My Byte, IQ pearl butter scotch, Virtual gravity Nanno, and motive tribal.

The only solid ball will be the Hyber-Cell. I think I will take the polish off for this pattern! just go with the 360, then lightly 2000.

White pattern is not so hard. Just a finer line and smaller miss area. Just a modified house shot

I shot 300 on it last year in Tulsa.

[MICHAEL]

White pattern is not so hard. Just a finer line and smaller miss area. Just a modified house shot

I shot 300 on it last year in Tulsa.

What ball did you use? I know your delivery and mine are very different! Your young, I am old in years, I have medium revs, and can vary my speed from 12 to 19 mph.... Did you use a symmetrical, or a asymmetirical! thanks for the information, Did you play the inside or outside line?
Does one play better then the other on the white?

NICE 300 on white! Did you have a good series also?
As I remember playing it last year, it was like the US OPEN! I have bowled the us open once on a summer sports challenge!

I played the outside then, and with the white it went right down the ten arrow, and did not recover,,,,, as I remember the white was similar to ME, as far a ball reaction goes... GRRRRR!!!

WHY,,, WHY the WHITE,,, I want the RED!! I have been bowling up a storm at those lanes here lately with the RED.

[vdubtx]

What ball did you use? I know your delivery and mine are very different! Your young, I am old in years, I have medium revs, and can vary my speed from 12 to 19 mph.... Did you use a symmetrical, or a asymmetirical! thanks for the information, Did you play the inside or outside line?
Does one play better then the other on the white?

NICE 300 on white! Did you have a good series also?
As I remember playing it last year, it was like the US OPEN! I have bowled the us open once on a summer sports challenge!

I played the outside then, and with the white it went right down the ten arrow, and did not recover,,,,, as I remember the white was similar to ME, as far a ball reaction goes... GRRRRR!!!

WHY,,, WHY the WHITE,,, I want the RED!! I have been bowling up a storm at those lanes here lately with the RED.
Used my First Blood. Had a 772 series that day.

[Blacksox1]

Good bowling Iceman. Please do not over think your every move. Don't be that guy. You will do fine!

[MICHAEL]

Best of luck, Iceman!

Sad to say, my best USBC tournament finish was in the first one I entered. Short format Tourneys involve a lot of luck. Quite often newer bowlers will get hot for a game or two and take advantage of the handicap format and cash, while more experienced bowlers who merely hit their averages for three games get shut out.
my best average from last year was 200.. so I doubt I will get squat!!! THIS IS NOT RIGHT,,, The WHITE pattern, and no handicap!! Is there no justice in this world!!!

[MICHAEL]

1. just resurfaced the Hyper-Cell 360, then 2000, then cleaned it with simplegreen/alcohol

2. Put both of my Deadly-Aims in the bag they have a different movement so both need to make this trip

3. Put my highly polished Storm Byte in the bag.

4. Put my motiv Tribal in the bag symmetrical ball polished

5. put my Iq pearl butterscotch in the bag, ( the one that gave me my first 300 last year.

6. what was the 6th ball,,, shoot,,,, I can't rembember,,,, thinking..... need to go look,,,,

O that's right two Deadly-Aims,,, total 6 weapons!

I have this gut feeling the solid Hyper-Cell will be my go to ball for this mistake Iceman is making!!! I might as well have burned the 60 bucks!!http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k443/jaustin777/Hot%20images/MoneyBurning.jpg (http://media.photobucket.com/user/jaustin777/media/Hot%20images/MoneyBurning.jpg.html)

[dnhoffman]

Well, at least you'll have options!

[RobLV1]

1. just resurfaced the Hyper-Cell 360, then 2000, then cleaned it with simplegreen/alcohol

2. Put both of my Deadly-Aims in the bag they have a different movement so both need to make this trip

3. Put my highly polished Storm Byte in the bag.

4. Put my motiv Tribal in the bag symmetrical ball polished

5. put my Iq pearl butterscotch in the bag, ( the one that gave me my first 300 last year.

6. what was the 6th ball,,, shoot,,,, I can't rembember,,,, thinking..... need to go look,,,,

O that's right two Deadly-Aims,,, total 6 weapons!

I have this gut feeling the solid Hyper-Cell will be my go to ball for this mistake Iceman is making!!! I might as well have burned the 60 bucks!!http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k443/jaustin777/Hot%20images/MoneyBurning.jpg (http://media.photobucket.com/user/jaustin777/media/Hot%20images/MoneyBurning.jpg.html)

Calm down, you've got this covered! Forget the word "tournament" and just bowl. Pretend it's me Aslan, Mike White, and Mudpuppy you're facing and just do your best. The USBC White pattern is there for everyone. It's not about scoring, it's about winning. The only "mistake" that I see you making is even acknowledging your "gut feeling" about the Hyper Cell. My gut feeling says that any preconception about what ball is going to work is only going to hamper your efforts to find the ball that does work. Good luck! Do us proud.

[MICHAEL]

Good bowling Iceman. Please do not over think your every move. Don't be that guy. You will do fine!

DAMN,,, I sound like Aslan!!!! OVER THINKING THIS tournament!! Dear Jesus, don't do this to ICEMAN!!! I don't need it!!!

[dnhoffman]

DAMN,,, I sound like Aslan!

I laughed out loud... Great thread

[RobLV1]

So... how did it go?

[dnhoffman]

He's still there, triple playoff round

[vdubtx]

So... how did it go?

ECHO!!

ICEMAN, how did it go??

[Aslan]

Must not have went well since Iceman is now in witness protection or something.

[MICHAEL]

Ok,,, remember it was that FRICKEN WHITE Pattern, not the standard RED that we all KNOW AND LOVE! I am going to give you the 3 scroes for the Seniors over 65, ONE at a time!!! My FIRST SCORE on the singles was


223

my second and third will be posted in order, tomorrow my second game!! Mike Pence, the man of suspense!!! Make your guesses, see who is closest!!!

PUZZLED?
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll204/yanaar/DeMentalDiggingforTruth.jpg (http://media.photobucket.com/user/yanaar/media/DeMentalDiggingforTruth.jpg.html)

Which way did Iceman go from his starting 223, UP, or down!!??

Make your guess,,,,,, , ,,, the man/woman closest will be the winner! Prize to be determined by ICEMAN!

[RobLV1]

178-196

[vdubtx]

I'll guess 165-178.

I think the oil pattern got to your head and you were over thinking it.

Otherwise, if it was better, you would have already posted your good scores. :D

[MICHAEL]

No one hit it yet, more guesses,,, winner gets a prize from ICE! Must be on the button!!

[Aslan]

Amateurs.

I've seen this clown bowl.

163-126

BAMM! Send prize ASAP!

[MICHAEL]

Amateurs.

I've seen this clown bowl.

163-126

BAMM! Send prize ASAP!


YES you have seen the clown bowl a 210 average (including the warm up game do the math chart guy), in Vegas!!

O,,, If Iceman is a CLOWN, and he beat you by over one hundred pins,,, What are YOU!! What is less then a clown,,, hummmm

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj317/chivas11_19/donkey.gif (http://media.photobucket.com/user/chivas11_19/media/donkey.gif.html)

I a s s your forgiveness!!! LOL

[MICHAEL]

OK second game of the singles Senior Score was

191
Sad, I had in the six and seventh frame a double, and threw a gutter ball to nullify that particular double!! GRRRRRRR!!! Actually that second game was not going well at all on the white pattern until the 8th frame, then: XXXXX!! five strikes at the very end to SAVE MY score from utter disaster!!

what do you think happened in the final game, after the 5 strikes from the 8th through the 10th??

Guess for a free gift from Iceman,,, you must be on the button!!

[Aslan]

what do you think happened in the final game, after the 5 strikes from the 8th through the 10th??

Guess for a free gift from Iceman,,, you must be on the button!!

126!

Your 66-year old body finally fell apart, you got "gassy", you got distracted by a riveting episode of "Murder She Wrote", and mentally forgot where you were for about 7 minutes. By the time you regained your senses…you had a few opens…struggled to recover.

Gift please!! And not your "imaginary "gift"…real gift for being the WINNER!

[MICHAEL]

126!

Your 66-year old body finally fell apart, you got "gassy", you got distracted by a riveting episode of "Murder She Wrote", and mentally forgot where you were for about 7 minutes. By the time you regained your senses…you had a few opens…struggled to recover.

Gift please!! And not your "imaginary "gift"…real gift for being the WINNER!

126,,,,, No,,, were not talking about YOUR average here! There is a time and place for that! What was ICEMANS final score for a Real treat!

I know this has been shown before, but what most bowlingboard.com members don't know is this! Gif taken of Aslan and the loft problem he had before having his first lesson with Rob!! http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x160/garygnarz/bowlingfooty666.gif (http://media.photobucket.com/user/garygnarz/media/bowlingfooty666.gif.html)

Keep working on that game bud!! Loft can be a good thing, if you fly planes!!

I look forward to your TRIP to Plattsburg next June 13th,,,, 8 months to get your sh#$! together,,, can you in your prime, beat the ICE!

126,,,, Haaaa,,,, Haaaaaa,,, ha,,!! WRONG!

126 is the number of times you say to yourself before you go to bed,,,, PLEASE MAKE ME JUST LIKE ICEMAN, in every way lord Amen!http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv179/Woahli/AERHSCAW9DMFQCAFJPXFDCAHL6A6TCAY-1.jpg (http://media.photobucket.com/user/Woahli/media/AERHSCAW9DMFQCAFJPXFDCAHL6A6TCAY-1.jpg.html)

[Aslan]

Alright...136...???

[Mike White]

YES you have seen the clown bowl a 210 average (including the warm up game do the math chart guy), in Vegas!!

O,,, If Iceman is a CLOWN, and he beat you by over one hundred pins,,, What are YOU!! What is less then a clown,,, hummmm

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj317/chivas11_19/donkey.gif (http://media.photobucket.com/user/chivas11_19/media/donkey.gif.html)

I a s s your forgiveness!!! LOL

Other than Aslan, did anyone not average 210 (including warmup) on lanes 1-2 that day?

[Aslan]

Other than Aslan, did anyone not average 210 (including warmup) on lanes 1-2 that day?

Thats a good point. I think everyone else averaged about 218 on those lanes...I probably brought the average down into the 190s.

[vdubtx]

126,,,,, No,,, were not talking about YOUR average here!

Hey, that's an insult to Mike White with his 97 he bowled for that Virtual Tour thing going on.

[circlecity]

Eh how about 213

[Aslan]

141???

[MICHAEL]

141???

Just a side not, not realted to the Seniors Tornament! I bowl every Tuesday at 1pm on a team that is now, in First place! We have won the last 3 weeks 11 out of 12 against opponites, some times getting thousands of pins in handicap. I have for the Last 4 weeks been OVER 200 average after a lack-luster start! http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg546/imagine686868/bowlingscores11414_zpsbb87f34b.jpg (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/imagine686868/media/bowlingscores11414_zpsbb87f34b.jpg.html)

I feel that after meeting Rob, and that private lesson he game me, I am moving into new territory in regards to averages. Ten pins seem to be 50/50... today,,, don't know why, but its a killer when it comes to series!

Its an INSULT when you Aslan,,, throw out sores like 141!!

Do you want to HURT an OLD MAN??? Is that your game! I thought we were soul mates??? (in a manly sort of way)!! ok!!!

I have a feeling, bowling with Pat Henderson, that I am going to be fly with the eagles, while your still dishing out insults to older senior Citizens, in retirement homes! enough,,,

On some difficult lanes today we won all four, and guess what Mr. Nice guy,,, I beat the hall of famer today!!

I am not boasting, Pat is ONE Hell of a bowler, and just had ONE BAD DAY! but the lanes were tough! The MOST important thing was that even with his OFF day, we won all 4 games! It's was a great team effort!

Maybe Pat let me win today, knowing how you have been bad-mouthing me and this seniors tournament on this site? Pat comes here on occasion!!!

YOU will meet him when you come to Plattsburg in June!

THIS weekend Pat had another 803 series with one 300 game!!! At 60,,,, still throwing the daman ball at 19mph, and crushing the pocket! Pat's nick name, and it fits is THE BEAST!!! (:) and my 4 week of 600 plus games on this league.

[Aslan]

157???

Are we EVER gonna get the results!!?

[dnhoffman]

I'll go 189

[MICHAEL]

tomorrow morning I will post the final score in my first tournament outing! there is one guess that's within X number pins of being correct!!
I hope that hint did not give it away!! ICEhttp://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg546/imagine686868/omgcw_zpsdzcamcvu.gif (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/imagine686868/media/omgcw_zpsdzcamcvu.gif.html)

[vdubtx]

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140807043637/degrassi/images/5/5b/Santana-glee-rolling-eyes-festivals-gif.gif

[Aslan]

tomorrow morning I will post the final score in my first tournament outing! there is one guess that's within X number pins of being correct!!
I hope that hint did not give it away!! ICEhttp://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg546/imagine686868/omgcw_zpsdzcamcvu.gif (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/imagine686868/media/omgcw_zpsdzcamcvu.gif.html)

155!!

[MICHAEL]

Ok,,, In the tenth of game 3 with a strike showing in the ninth, I get a split and open in the FRICKEN 10th!! What could have been a a decent 214, or even 230, wound up a 184! So in the White pattern, that was Fricken Crazy, I almost had a 200 average that day,, 223, 191, and 184 = 598.

This was my first, and maybe last Fricken tournament! I would like to make ONE comment! I FRICKEN HATE WHITE patterns! erratic!

If I just would have not had that open in the 10th frame of final game with a strike in the 9th could have been a sweet score for a newbie, older gentleman!!


White Patten Sucks!
so says Ice!

[Aslan]

So the summary of this thread is that Iceman doesn't like sport patterns because they aren't as easy as THS patterns???

Dang it...I got all invested in the thread for nothing!!

[Amyers]

Actually the White pattern is a mid level THS pattern not a sport pattern maybe closer to a Kegel Challenge pattern but not really sure its even that tough.

[vdubtx]

Ok,,, In the tenth of game 3 with a strike showing in the ninth, I get a split and open in the FRICKEN 10th!! What could have been a a decent 214, or even 230, wound up a 184! So in the White pattern, that was Fricken Crazy, I almost had a 200 average that day,, 223, 191, and 184 = 598.

This was my first, and maybe last Fricken tournament! I would like to make ONE comment! I FRICKEN HATE WHITE patterns! erratic!

If I just would have not had that open in the 10th frame of final game with a strike in the 9th could have been a sweet score for a newbie, older gentleman!!


White Patten Sucks!
so says Ice!

For such a MACHO man you build yourself up to be, you sure seem like you are putting your tail between your legs and cowering away from the challenge.

Chalk this up to a good experience, get back out there on the lanes and learn from this.

Bowling on tougher patterns in the end will serve one purpose. That is to make you a better bowler.

Like I said before, the White pattern is just a modified House shot. Yes, you have to make your shots and not get into the out of bounds area, but if you stay in your shot and adjust to the reaction of the ball, you can put up some great scores.

The tournament I bowled in Tulsa just last month, was also the White pattern. Last year I bowled great on it, 772 and 696 series with a 300 thrown in for good measure. This year, my shot making suffered and I was only able to recover so much to get a few mid 600 series out of it, high of 652 and high game of 277. Did I learn from this, absolutely. What did I learn? That I need to make my shots, keep my focus, and adjust correctly to the lanes based on what my ball is telling me as it goes down the lane.

Wouldn't expect the ICEMAN to be a quitter based on one tournament with a White pattern on it. :rolleyes:

[vdubtx]

Here is some more info on the USBC Red, White and Blue patterns. You will see they are all modified house shots with Red being what is closest to a THS.LINK (http://www.bowl.com/Equipment_Specs/Equipment_Specs_Home/Lane_Conditions/)

[circlecity]

Wouldn't expect the ICEMAN to be a quitter based on one tournament with a White pattern on it. :rolleyes:

I don't know about that, didn't he quit a league because he pre-bowled on a white pattern?

Sounds like ICE just needs to bowl more patterns to get comfortable.

[RobLV1]

So my guess of 178-196 (374) wasn't so far off, just flip-flopped from the 191-184 (375). What can you learn from this? My guess was based on the tendency of most house bowlers to take to long to adjust to any pattern that transitions differently from the house shot that they're used to. What usually happens is that they see the transition late for a low second game score, and then begin to make the correct adjustment for a higher third game score. Your pattern of declining scores tells me that you were relying on your "gift" and just muddeling through rather than getting out of your comfort zone. Your ability kept your scores from getting really bad, but your lack of making the correct adjustment kept your scores from going back up. The next time you bowl on one of these patterns, keep your eyes open as to adjustments that some of the less talented, but more experienced bowlers are making. Are they moving deeper? Are they balling down? Once you figure out that bowling on patterns involves constant attention to strategy, I'm sure you'll do just fine bowling on them.

[MICHAEL]

Actually the White pattern is a mid level THS pattern not a sport pattern maybe closer to a Kegel Challenge pattern but not really sure its even that tough.

really??? what's your average on the red??? Is the RED simple also to you? Have you even bowled the white?? then talk to me about how easy the white is?? LOL There were guys there with 220 averages doing high 400's and low 500s! Most I bowled with and talked to thought it was not only tough, but some what squarely!
Wish you would have been there Amyers,,, then you could have showed us how simple it was to throw a big game on the white.

you are correct it is not an official sports pattern, I have had some good games, and posted one sports pattern I did, Its on here somewhere, the road house 279! I posted the sheet with score as proof.. (:)

Even throwing at spares is MUCH different, and points out to the fact why its important to be able to throw a (plastic/straight) ball at ALL SPARES.


Throw down 10 arrow like so many bowlers do, and it doesn't come back, so Not sure what sports pattern means, but the White is not a blocked easy pattern like most house have!

It might not be an official sports pattern but its VERY different then the standard dry outsides MOST are accustomed too bowing the easy red pattern.
What makes a sports pattern a sports pattern, and why the white would not qualify, maybe someone else knows, not ICE!

[MICHAEL]

So my guess of 178-196 (374) wasn't so far off, just flip-flopped from the 191-184 (375). What can you learn from this? My guess was based on the tendency of most house bowlers to take to long to adjust to any pattern that transitions differently from the house shot that they're used to. What usually happens is that they see the transition late for a low second game score, and then begin to make the correct adjustment for a higher third game score. Your pattern of declining scores tells me that you were relying on your "gift" and just muddeling through rather than getting out of your comfort zone. Your ability kept your scores from getting really bad, but your lack of making the correct adjustment kept your scores from going back up. The next time you bowl on one of these patterns, keep your eyes open as to adjustments that some of the less talented, but more experienced bowlers are making. Are they moving deeper? Are they balling down? Once you figure out that bowling on patterns involves constant attention to strategy, I'm sure you'll do just fine bowling on them.


where is the first game??? BEST PART..223,,, I thought I had it figured out?? And you are right,,, about making adjustments,,, I did try several different approaches but no luck as for the last game the only thing that really shot that game was the open in the tenth, with a strike in the 9th.

But for that one frame, ( in the 3rd game) it could have been a 220 something,,, I was throwing some strikes when I HIT THAT FINE LINE I had to hit to get a pocket strike.

Is that pattern really that hard,,, NO,,, not really, I would say what kept me from a mid 600 series was mainly lack of Focus on occasion, day dreaming while in the process of ball delivery!

FOCUS is Key to being a high level bowler... knowing each and EVERY TIME where that ball goes after it leaves your hand.

This was my First, but it will not be my last,,,, I AM ICEMAN,,, Man of IRON,,, I WILL destroy this White pattern NEXT TIME! As my knowledge increases, ( Along WITH MY GIFT), I will be something the white patterns FEAR, along with the fricken blue ones too!!!

[Amyers]

really??? what's your average on the red??? Is the RED simple also to you? Have you even bowled the white?? then talk to me about how easy the white is?? LOL There were guys there with 220 averages doing high 400's and low 500s! Most I bowled with and talked to thought it was not only tough, but some what squarely!
Wish you would have been there Amyers,,, then you could have showed us how simple it was to throw a big game on the white.

you are correct it is not an official sports pattern, I have had some good games, and posted one sports pattern I did, Its on here somewhere, the road house 279! I posted the sheet with score as proof.. (:)

Even throwing at spares is MUCH different, and points out to the fact why its important to be able to throw a (plastic/straight) ball at ALL SPARES.


Throw down 10 arrow like so many bowlers do, and it doesn't come back, so Not sure what sports pattern means, but the White is not a blocked easy pattern like most house have!

It might not be an official sports pattern but its VERY different then the standard dry outsides MOST are accustomed too bowing the easy red pattern.
What makes a sports pattern a sports pattern, and why the white would not qualify, maybe someone else knows, not ICE!

First off Ice I wasn't say this to come off as running you or your scores down. I was responding to Aslan's post where he referred to the White as a sports pattern which it is not. Look directly below my post.

Second I have never bowled on Red, White, or Blue. I have bowled a summer league on a Kegel Challenge pattern and bowled on some of the PBA patterns in practice after leagues. I averaged about 165 on the Challenge pattern which was about the same as my regular league that summer. Each house is different anyway the pattern is just a pattern they play different from house to house anyway. Maybe that house has the most difficult White pattern out there how should I know I haven't bowled on it there. I don't really feel your scores are poor for your first time playing the pattern

Third directly form USBC website "While all three patterns (Red, White and Blue) are “house” shots, they provide a variable range of difficulty. The USBC White pattern is designed to be the medium scoring pattern of the three for a typical USBC member. While the Red typifies the “typical house shot,” the White pattern may be utilized in local or city tournament as it is a step up in challenge level for the average player.

It is interesting to note that the White pattern can actually be the highest scoring of the three patterns among higher caliber players. While the Red pattern often plays “over-under” for scratch bowlers, the White pattern is blended more evenly while still showing a crown of oil from inside to out and gradual taper from the foul line to the end of the oil pattern"

Like I said wasn't trying to run you down just correct Aslan. I will say I do think you should change your attitude you came off sounding defeated by the pattern. It was your first time bowling on it as far as I can tell. Not terrible scores or anything maybe next time ask your house about putting the pattern out so you can practice it before the tournament if you have a good relationship with them they might do it my home house most likely would.

[MICHAEL]

So the summary of this thread is that Iceman doesn't like sport patterns because they aren't as easy as THS patterns???

Dang it...I got all invested in the thread for nothing!!

YOU ARE WRONG my friend!! THEY ARE SO damn hard to find! People don't seem to like them around here, they all want to bowl the house easiest one. Red

I have searched around and no luck! Maybe I need to purchase that 6 lane ally in Plattsburg so I can run the pattern myself!

If any of you out there know how to find a SPORTS PATTERN close to my area code, 64152, please let me know!!!

There seems to be NO INTEREST in SPORTS bowling around here, probably that was in most cities around the country. Everybody wants EASY, everything, TV dinners, Burger King, ect ect ect!!!!

[vdubtx]

YOU ARE WRONG my friend!! THEY ARE SO damn hard to find! People don't seem to like them around here, they all want to bowl the house easiest one. Red

I have searched around and no luck! Maybe I need to purchase that 6 lane ally in Plattsburg so I can run the pattern myself!

If any of you out there know how to find a SPORTS PATTERN close to my area code, 64152, please let me know!!!

There seems to be NO INTEREST in SPORTS bowling around here, probably that was in most cities around the country. Everybody wants EASY, everything, TV dinners, Burger King, ect ect ect!!!!

They are hard to find sometimes. Get your bowling friends together and ask your bowling center to put a league together for you. If you get enough people interested in it, they will likely be happy to add another league to the schedule. Start from scratch with a grassroots effort to get one started. I am sure you know enough people that you could get a doubles or Trio's league going.

[MICHAEL]

I don't know about that, didn't he quit a league because he pre-bowled on a white pattern?

Sounds like ICE just needs to bowl more patterns to get comfortable.


YES,, I went in to pre bowl with my wife, manager said he had fresh oil and that I was good to go! He didn't know it was a different pattern that was there from that morning when they had a tournament bowling the white pattern. I thought I was in the twilight Zone,, my wife and me both could not get our balls going down 10 arrow to come back!

Long story short,,, Our scores on the pre bowling were REAL BAD! The manager was new, and had No Experience in bowling, and told us he didn't know there was any difference!

He said we could bowl over, since it was not a standard THS.... I knew that would not be right, or even legal to do it over, BUT I WAS so upset that he didn't know it was a different pattern that I bull up and just decided hell with it! I have a temper,,, and I try hard to keep it under control but some things set me off. I was bowing on 4 leagues at the time, so still had 3!

I was pretty new to league bowing at that point my second year,,, but if I had it all to do over again, I would have kept the crappy pre-bowling scores and went on.

I am now into my 4th year of bowling sanctioned and know a hell of a lot more about the game!

I sure their are many ways to attack this pattern, and I will figure it out and conquer it!

[vdubtx]

I sure their are many ways to attack this pattern, and I will figure it out and conquer it!

Now that's the fighting spirit I would expect from ICEMAN!!

[MICHAEL]

It is interesting to note that the White pattern can actually be the highest scoring of the three patterns among higher caliber players. While the Red pattern often plays “over-under” for scratch bowlers, the White pattern is blended more evenly while still showing a crown of oil from inside to out and gradual taper from the foul line to the end of the oil pattern[/COLOR]"


NOT What most were saying about the pattern at the tournament that day! Easier then red? MOST were complaining,,, I kid a lot, but it wasn't that difficult, as I mentioned, I could have easily had a strong mid 600 series with just a few, mental mistakes erased.

maybe that says something about the caliber of senior bowlers at the tournament.

I couldn't believe that last game where I missed my mark by 4 boards, and got the split in the 10th with a fricken strike in the 9th,,, could have had two strong 200 plus games, and one 191.

It was just one of those SENIOR MOMENTS!! FOCUS!!! GRRRRRR.....

In reality its not that any pattern is really difficult, it knowing HOW TO PLAY it, and then doing it that gets you those respectable scores.

[MICHAEL]

Well if I can do this, on THS, in league, ICEMAN CAN DO ANYTHING!! I WILL GROW, and get even STRONGER!! LOL
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I HAD TO SHOW THIS ONE MORE TIME!!! LOL Hey I am 66!!! LOL

[Aslan]

They are hard to find sometimes. Get your bowling friends together and ask your bowling center to put a league together for you. If you get enough people interested in it, they will likely be happy to add another league to the schedule. Start from scratch with a grassroots effort to get one started. I am sure you know enough people that you could get a doubles or Trio's league going.

I agree. I used to be critical of OLE Ice (very OLE) about him not challenging himself. So I'm DAMN proud that he did enter this tournament. But yes, sport leagues are hard to find. Why? Because Ice...because MOST bowlers can't check their EGOs at the door. Any bowling writer or commentator or blogger will tell you same thing. All these bowlers in house leagues...they don't want to learn how to make spares...or learn how to adjust...or "perfect" anything. They want to throw 7 strikes per game and every few years get a 300-game that they can brag about. ANd thats that.

I know sport patterns are rare. I managed to luck into finding one (i.e. Bunny found it) and it's one of only 2-4 I know of in Southern California...a place with 10 million people! And the league is very sparse! Only 8 teams...I think 7 now...3-person teams.

And to be fair...it kinda depends on what you want out of bowling. I bowl with Seniors that just want to get out and have some food and drinks and fun 1-3 times a week. And I bowl with co-workers or friends that just use it as an excuse to hang out. Some, MANY, of these bowlers have injuries that preclude them from bowling for anything other than recreation. And thats all good and fine and great. The more bowlers, the better.

But for ME...I don't play unless I have goals to accomplish. I my goals are aggressive. Not so aggressive that they are DILLUSIONS...but aggressive enough that if I just end up some 170 average bowler that 1-2 times got a 250+ game...I probably won't bowl much...maybe a league or something if my work puts one together...but I'd pretty much stop bowling under those circumstances. NOT that I have anything against casual bowlers...or 170 average bowlers...it's just not how I'm wired. I don't golf much because I can't get very good at golf. I did martial arts with the goal of a black belt in mind. Once I realized I didn't really want to put in the time/effort/$$$ needed to get to that point...I was done. If I'm gonna just do something for "fun"...purely for fun....I'll play hockey...or paintball...or tennis. Maybe learn to surf. And bowling will become something "I used to do".

So GOOD FOR YOU Iceman!! You stepped out of your comfort zone and came to Vegas...and it was a good time. You now expanded your horizons and have tried sport pattern (regardless of the minutia...USBC Red/White/Blue are different and challenging enough that they aren't THS shots)...and entered a tournament...and you held your own. The next step is to DO IT AGAIN. And then...you'll be ahead of ME! I tried an ABTA tournament this year and haven't been back. I'm just not at that level YET...but YET is the key word. I'll be back eventually.

So GOOD JOB ICE!! Next time...maybe all the scores at once....I mean it's not a Batman movie trailer for crying out loud...but GOOD JOB!

[fortheloveofbowling]

You did well for your first tournament. On a pattern different from most house shots and experiencing some nervousness as expected 598 is more than acceptable. As you stated, there were high average guys that struggled. You should take away from this experience some good thoughts from your performance.

[MICHAEL]

You did well for your first tournament. On a pattern different from most house shots and experiencing some nervousness as expected 598 is more than acceptable. As you stated, there were high average guys that struggled. You should take away from this experience some good thoughts from your performance.

thanks bud!!! It was a learning experience! ;)

[Mike White]

YOU ARE WRONG my friend!! THEY ARE SO damn hard to find! People don't seem to like them around here, they all want to bowl the house easiest one. Red

I have searched around and no luck! Maybe I need to purchase that 6 lane ally in Plattsburg so I can run the pattern myself!

If any of you out there know how to find a SPORTS PATTERN close to my area code, 64152, please let me know!!!

There seems to be NO INTEREST in SPORTS bowling around here, probably that was in most cities around the country. Everybody wants EASY, everything, TV dinners, Burger King, ect ect ect!!!!

It took me 3 tries to find one that lasted more than 1 week.

And that one happens WAY TOO FREAKIN EARLY IN THE MORNING.

If it wasn't for sport conditions, I'd never get a chance to throw a reactive resin ball.

Even on a 45 foot (Mexico) pattern I have to throw the ball so it appears it is going to miss the head pin, only to cross over brooklyn.

This last week I couldn't slide for crap in practice (I usually slide 5+ feet), so I decided to not slide at all.

This required a completely different approach.

Start much closer to the line, take small steps, then put next to no hand in the ball.

I did manage to shoot 602 for the first 3 (thanks to a 258 game) but couldn't manage 800 for 4.

If hooking the ball a bunch is my A game, then slow and straight is about my Z game.

[fortheloveofbowling]

WOW....45 foot pattern with 25 mls of oil and can't stay on the right side? That is some high rev rate you have there.

[MICHAEL]

WOW....45 foot pattern with 25 mls of oil and can't stay on the right side? That is some high rev rate you have there.

Mike has a Bunch of spin,,, maybe 450 to 500 I would say with my super hero eyes!! He burns the oil, and NEEDS THE OIL!!! :eek:

[MICHAEL]

ONE HUGE lesson learned for this experience on White.

LEARN to throw all your spares with plastic, or like Norm Dude, and ICEMAN, palm up, Straight balls, with NO hook end over end roll, in my case. I am seriously thinking Both plastic, and that release!

Sure I can pick the 7 pin up EVERYTIME on THS throwing a strike ball over 2nd arrow. and many other spares on the left side of the head pin, but with something like even the White and Blue the oil can and does play havoc with picking it up! I hear the U.S. open is a real bear-cat to try conventional spare pick-ups used on THS!

What I am going to do now after this learning experience is, GET A PLASTIC BALL, and use it for ALL,,,, ALL spares. It will pay off on down the road when I start doing more tournaments, or sports patterns, IF I CAN FIND or EVEN get a group interested in doing Sports Patterns?????

Do they make an ICEMAN spare ball... :rolleyes:

[MICHAEL]

So my guess of 178-196 (374) wasn't so far off, just flip-flopped from the 191-184 (375). What can you learn from this? My guess was based on the tendency of most house bowlers to take to long to adjust to any pattern that transitions differently from the house shot that they're used to. What usually happens is that they see the transition late for a low second game score, and then begin to make the correct adjustment for a higher third game score. Your pattern of declining scores tells me that you were relying on your "gift" and just muddeling through rather than getting out of your comfort zone. Your ability kept your scores from getting really bad, but your lack of making the correct adjustment kept your scores from going back up. The next time you bowl on one of these patterns, keep your eyes open as to adjustments that some of the less talented, but more experienced bowlers are making. Are they moving deeper? Are they balling down? Once you figure out that bowling on patterns involves constant attention to strategy, I'm sure you'll do just fine bowling on them.

Rob I agree with all of the ABOVE, and though I Don't even have close to you, YOUR knowledge and expertise, I did make adjustments, with my delivery, and balls. The score for the second two games really don't paint a clear picture of what happen.

SOME of my big mistakes were just being to damn excited, and needing to calm-down, and Focus on HITTING THAT DAMN mark, and not looking UP!!!!!!!!!!!! I do think with all the help I have received on this website, I will get even better, and reach that 210 level this fall! My averages are steadily climbing and I even feel more confident in my game now.

I have a guy that coaches Pat Henderson, giving me a LOT of advice, when we bowl together on Tuesdays. It's helping a bunch!! He is there every Tuesday, so its like getting a coaching lesson free, every week! We are both Army Vet's from the Vietnam era, and enjoy talking the good old days, and bowling!

I almost feel sorry for all you westerners, when you come to Plattsburg,,, its hard telling what NEW LEVEL I will be at in 8 months!! I will post my progress,,, I only hope that Aslan gets his act together!!!!
He had a GREAT DELEVERY,,,, looked smooth as silk from what I seen that day we practiced together, but his release off the hand looked limp,,,, to me! I might be all wrong, but something just didn't happen with the look of his ball off the hand. That's my 2 cents for what little it worth!

I want a little more competition when he comes out to play the Small Town Wood Lanes, this next year!

Hey Rob your good at gambling,,, win a bunch, put it in the bank and save it for Mike, Aslan, and Yourself to fly out and show your goods to some old Farm Boys, out here that think they just might be good enough to whip up some strikes on you Surfer/City boys!! LOL

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[Aslan]

It took me 3 tries to find one that lasted more than 1 week.

And that one happens WAY TOO FREAKIN EARLY IN THE MORNING.

You left out the true value of the league is that you get to bowl on a team with future USBC Senior Masters Winner: ASLAN!!

One more week away and I'll be BACK!!!

[got_a_300]

MICHAEL so I guess what you're really saying is there will be no
chance at all of the white pattern being laid down for our real men
bowl on wood tournament in June correct? LOL!!!

[MICHAEL]

MICHAEL so I guess what you're really saying is there will be no
chance at all of the white pattern being laid down for our real men
bowl on wood tournament in June correct? LOL!!!

The great thing about this tournament is: We will vote on which pattern we want, and Lee, or Chris will put it down fresh!! ICE is open to white pattern... I know more about it now, and how to play it. I kid a lot, but I was just a few senior moments away form a nice series!

[Mike White]

You left out the true value of the league is that you get to bowl on a team with future USBC Senior Masters Winner: ASLAN!!

Hmm, I wonder why I left that out....

Oh yeah, I don't have a rose colored crystal ball.

[Mike White]

The great thing about this tournament is: We will vote on which pattern we want, and Lee, or Chris will put it down fresh!! ICE is open to white pattern... I know more about it now, and how to play it. I kid a lot, but I was just a few senior moments away form a nice series!

I vote 24 foot of oil.

That eliminates the guiding wall of oil, and makes the hook monster balls unusable.

Then it's a true test of who can be both accurate, and throw the ball strong enough to carry.

But maybe that would be too hard for the boys from KC.

[dnhoffman]

ONE HUGE lesson learned for this experience on White.

LEARN to throw all your spares with plastic, or like Norm Dude, and ICEMAN, palm up, Straight balls, with NO hook end over end roll, in my case. I am seriously thinking Both plastic, and that release!

Sure I can pick the 7 pin up EVERYTIME on THS throwing a strike ball over 2nd arrow. and many other spares on the left side of the head pin, but with something like even the White and Blue the oil can and does play havoc with picking it up! I hear the U.S. open is a real bear-cat to try conventional spare pick-ups used on THS!

What I am going to do now after this learning experience is, GET A PLASTIC BALL, and use it for ALL,,,, ALL spares. It will pay off on down the road when I start doing more tournaments, or sports patterns, IF I CAN FIND or EVEN get a group interested in doing Sports Patterns?????

Do they make an ICEMAN spare ball... :rolleyes:

Buy a storm Polar ICE

1) it's urethane and will last much longer than plastic
2) still barely moves
3) has the word ice in it


You're welcome

[circlecity]

Buy a storm Polar ICE

1) it's urethane and will last much longer than plastic
2) still barely moves
3) has the word ice in it


You're welcome

That is the ball I use for spares. also hooks nice when there is zero oil out there.

[MICHAEL]

I vote 24 foot of oil.

That eliminates the guiding wall of oil, and makes the hook monster balls unusable.

Then it's a true test of who can be both accurate, and throw the ball strong enough to carry.

But maybe that would be too hard for the boys from KC.

OOOOOO,,, MIkie!!!! Them Big Farm Boys from Plattsburg have grown up on those 6 wood lanes, and you ,,,, YOU think your going to walk in their house and do damage??? LOL.....

We shall see ,,,,, WE SHALL SEE!! LOL.... THEY change the pattern every week.... these boys are fine turned bowling machines that can adapt to anything, including your 24 foot pattern.

I think it will be interesting,,,, I hope the KING OF WOOD comes down too! I doubt Rob would want to take a chance on losing to Aslan, on wood! :o
so I don't look for him to make the trip.

I hope the whole group comes, Mudpuppy, Rob, Aslan, and you!

The farm boys are looking for some fresh meat!!!

[Aslan]

I think it will be interesting,,,, I hope the KING OF WOOD comes down too! I doubt Rob would want to take a chance on losing to Aslan, on wood! :o
so I don't look for him to make the trip.

Tempted. I might be moving to the Des Moines area next year...which would definitely put me in the area. Especially if I move to northern Missouri area like Bethany or Maryville. Hey, then I could join your friend Pat in the Missouri Bowling Hall of Fame. That would be cool.

But thats very up in the air right now. I'm hoping I don't have to leave the most wonderful state in the Nation (outside of N.Y. and Oregon) but we'll see.

[dnhoffman]

That is the ball I use for spares. also hooks nice when there is zero oil out there.

I use a storm mix, but basically the same thing. Way more value, longevity, and versatility than plastic.

[RobLV1]

OOOOOO,,, MIkie!!!! Them Big Farm Boys from Plattsburg have grown up on those 6 wood lanes, and you ,,,, YOU think your going to walk in their house and do damage??? LOL.....

We shall see ,,,,, WE SHALL SEE!! LOL.... THEY change the pattern every week.... these boys are fine turned bowling machines that can adapt to anything, including your 24 foot pattern.

I think it will be interesting,,,, I hope the KING OF WOOD comes down too! I doubt Rob would want to take a chance on losing to Aslan, on wood! :o
so I don't look for him to make the trip.

I hope the whole group comes, Mudpuppy, Rob, Aslan, and you!

The farm boys are looking for some fresh meat!!!

Who knows? I could be dead by next June. I'll let you know when the time comes, but don't rule me out completely.

[J Anderson]

ONE HUGE lesson learned for this experience on White.

LEARN to throw all your spares with plastic, or like Norm Dude, and ICEMAN, palm up, Straight balls, with NO hook end over end roll, in my case. I am seriously thinking Both plastic, and that release!

Sure I can pick the 7 pin up EVERYTIME on THS throwing a strike ball over 2nd arrow. and many other spares on the left side of the head pin, but with something like even the White and Blue the oil can and does play havoc with picking it up! I hear the U.S. open is a real bear-cat to try conventional spare pick-ups used on THS!

What I am going to do now after this learning experience is, GET A PLASTIC BALL, and use it for ALL,,,, ALL spares. It will pay off on down the road when I start doing more tournaments, or sports patterns, IF I CAN FIND or EVEN get a group interested in doing Sports Patterns?????

Do they make an ICEMAN spare ball... :rolleyes:

Storm seems to have dropped the Polar Ice urethane ball but you may still be able to find one.
They do still make the Ice Storm polyester ball.

Some spares are actually easier to hook at, even on a sport shot, than throwing straight. For example shooting straight at the 2-8 leaves almost no room for error. Throw a hook at it and you have a bigger window of opportunity.

[MICHAEL]

Storm seems to have dropped the Polar Ice urethane ball but you may still be able to find one.
They do still make the Ice Storm polyester ball.

Some spares are actually easier to hook at, even on a sport shot, than throwing straight. For example shooting straight at the 2-8 leaves almost no room for error. Throw a hook at it and you have a bigger window of opportunity.


ANYONE GOT A POLAR ICE ball for sale??? Cool idea... Ice likes!!

[MICHAEL]

Who knows? I could be dead by next June. I'll let you know when the time comes, but don't rule me out completely.

Lets hope NOT Rob!!! Mikeie needs YOU!!! DEAD,,, gulp,,,, REALLY,,,, "MIKEIE,, is this true, you know everything,,, is there a change that Rob
might move on the those lanes in the sky????? What do you see in your crystal bowling ball!!!!!

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[MICHAEL]

Just got word that I will be bowing on the 5 person team USBC tournament this Sunday at 2pm!! White pattern, will be interesting to see if I can beat that 598 series form last sunday! ICE IS GOING FOR IT!! Been having some great scores for me, on THS!!

[fortheloveofbowling]

I will make the first guess...684

[MICHAEL]

I will make the first guess...684

LOL,,, are you sure your not my mother, or father!!! LOL... I will shot for the stars... thanks for the optimistic prediction!!! You want to be may BEST FRIEND!!! (:)

[fortheloveofbowling]

Gotta have confidence when you walk in to the bowl!!

[Mike White]

ANYONE GOT A POLAR ICE ball for sale??? Cool idea... Ice likes!!

Polar Ice is my recent league 300 ball.

I had to drop a pound in weight so I've moved to the Mix.

On some sport conditions I can use modern balls.

[Aslan]

I will make the first guess...684

Second guess....I'm gonna say 544 tops.

[MICHAEL]

Second guess....I'm gonna say 544 tops.

YOUR almost as bad as MIKE White only your picking on the ICE!!! 544,,, YOUR DREAM game, personal goal for 2015!! Good luck bud!!

[MICHAEL]

NOW I FEEL COMPLETE!!!! hmmmmmmmm.. should be here sometime next week!

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Its my understanding that they ship in a refrigerated truck,, cost extra for shipping!

[Mike White]

NOW I FEEL COMPLETE!!!! hmmmmmmmm.. should be here sometime next week!

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Its my understanding that they ship in a refrigerated truck,, cost extra for shipping!

Who is bowlball.com??


Bowlingball.com wants 69.95 for it.
Bowling.com wants 54.95 for it.
I sell it for 50 + tax... $54.

Guess you live in the wrong part of the country :)

[Aslan]

Who is bowlball.com??


Bowlingball.com wants 69.95 for it.
Bowling.com wants 54.95 for it.
I sell it for 50 + tax... $54.

Guess you live in the wrong part of the country :)

Well...$54 + $25 to ship it to him...so $79.

Unless you brought it with you to the 2015 AVI 2nd Annual Challenge...then you save him $16.

[MICHAEL]

Well...$54 + $25 to ship it to him...so $79.

Unless you brought it with you to the 2015 AVI 2nd Annual Challenge...then you save him $16.

ok,,, bowlingball.com Mr exact-O!!! it was 69.00 total.... that's the Ice Cold Facts! I am HAPPY with my decision!! I am sure they will add a bunch
of free stuff with the ball,,, they usually do!! Ice likes bowlingball.com... they have been good to me!

[got_a_300]

Over on cheapbowlingballs.com they have it for $44.73 but where
they really get you is on the shipping to have it shipped using the
cheapest method (ground) to me would cost me $18.31 so about
$63.04 all together plus the cost to have it drilled somewhere around
another $30-40 dollars so about $100.00 for it all.

[fortheloveofbowling]

Just curious about drilling costs. How much do your local pro shops charge to drill a ball purchased on line?

[MICHAEL]

Just curious about drilling costs. How much do your local pro shops charge to drill a ball purchased on line?


35.00 bucks around here, but it depends on where, and how many bells and whestles you want! Vise system, finger inserts, plug???
On average its about 35.00!

[Aslan]

How many balls is that???

All I'm saying is I've taken a lot of heat for the 6 I have and the 10 in reserve. Iceman MUST have topped that number by now EASY!!!

[Mike White]

How many balls is that???

All I'm saying is I've taken a lot of heat for the 6 I have and the 10 in reserve. Iceman MUST have topped that number by now EASY!!!

I think the heat you may have taken is due to the # in reserve.

If you had them all drilled, you would just be another addict, rather than a crazy hoarder.

[Mike White]

ok,,, bowlingball.com Mr exact-O!!! it was 69.00 total.... that's the Ice Cold Facts! I am HAPPY with my decision!! I am sure they will add a bunch
of free stuff with the ball,,, they usually do!! Ice likes bowlingball.com... they have been good to me!

You think it's insignificant, but there are plenty of sites out there that choose misspelled website names just to get accidental traffic, and while they appear to sell you things, their whole intent is to get your credit card info and deliver nothing or even worse, forward your order on to the site you intended so you suspect nothing.

Then when odd things start appearing on your card, you blame the website you intended to buy from, and forget about the misspelled one.

[vdubtx]

Good luck ICEMAN!

[MICHAEL]

Good luck ICEMAN!


Thanks bud!! I am at the moment getting ready to read up a little more on how to bowl the white pattern. 5 man team, I want to be Top Dog on that team today!! ;)

[vdubtx]

Thanks bud!! I am at the moment getting ready to read up a little more on how to bowl the white pattern. 5 man team, I want to be Top Dog on that team today!! ;)

The way I have played is to not get ball outside of 10 board too soon. Project ball down lane and keep an inside line is what has worked best for me.

[MICHAEL]

The way I have played is to not get ball outside of 10 board too soon. Project ball down lane and keep an inside line is what has worked best for me.

I will keep that in mind!!! THANKS for the advise!!

[Aslan]

I think the heat you may have taken is due to the # in reserve.

If you had them all drilled, you would just be another addict, rather than a crazy hoarder.

Good point. But since last I checked we tend to only bowl with one ball at a time so having 24 of them drilled in your basement just means you spent an extra $45/ball to have them sit in your basement. Besides, anything can happen. What if you decide you hate having your thumb pitched a certain way? Now you have to plug and re-drill 20 balls. Same thing with a drilling angle or span change. What if you drill every ball assuming you'll stick with VISE or TURBO grips and then change your mind?

Especially with Iceman. This guy is changing his mind about angles and pin placement that are "the most perfect awesomeness ever" just about every 2 weeks. He's a ball driller's DREAM! When he walks in with cardboard boxes...the ball driller must just see $$$$ signs! Hell, he can probably talk him into a new ball during the drilling!! I mean, you're telling me that Iceman ISN'T going to get the Storm Crux when it is released!?? Please.

And also, I'm not entirely confident Iceman knows his arsenal that well. I mean, if you have 3-4 balls...it can take you a LONG time to get a good handle on what does what on what lane conditions and which houses. If your arsenal is expaned to 16 balls...there's all kinds of overlap there. I didn't get to observe this in Vegas, because I think he limited his arsenal to facilitate the cross country motorcycle ride. But I'd be willing to be Ice is more along the lines of the bowlers that violate one of my top pet peeves...which is a bowler that makes ball changes essentially at random for no defined reason other than either 'variety' or 'I missed'.

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[RobLV1]

Good advice from Vdubtx. I bowled on the White pattern last night in the inaugural tournament at the new Bowling Arena a Southpoint (future home of the USBC Nationals in 2016-2018-2020, etc.). It was a ten-gamer starting at 7:30 last night! It was a scratch event, open to all, so the high rev youngsters ripped up the pattern pretty quickly. I started around 12 at the arrows with a medium/aggressive symmetrical ball (Melee Cross), and balled down as I moved left. I went through a progression of 6 balls: Melee Cross, Brute, Meanstreak Brawler, Solid Blue Ringer (polished), and Platinum Ringer. For the last three games, I was so far left (sliding into the left gutter), that I went to a more aggressive skid/flip ball (Fortera Exile), and hooked the lane. I ended up averaging 186 for the ten games, after starting 172-172 (my old body just can't get warmed up in ten minutes of practice). Generally I was happy with my bowling, especially the fact that I had two 200+ games in the last four when the lanes were fried. The best thing about it, though, was that I was able to walk out of the building at 12:30 a.m., lugging 8 bowling balls, without the aid of a wheel chair. Life is good!

[MICHAEL]

Good advice from Vdubtx. I bowled on the White pattern last night in the inaugural tournament at the new Bowling Arena a Southpoint (future home of the USBC Nationals in 2016-2018-2020, etc.). It was a ten-gamer starting at 7:30 last night! It was a scratch event, open to all, so the high rev youngsters ripped up the pattern pretty quickly. I started around 12 at the arrows with a medium/aggressive symmetrical ball (Melee Cross), and balled down as I moved left. I went through a progression of 6 balls: Melee Cross, Brute, Meanstreak Brawler, Solid Blue Ringer (polished), and Platinum Ringer. For the last three games, I was so far left (sliding into the left gutter), that I went to a more aggressive skid/flip ball (Fortera Exile), and hooked the lane. I ended up averaging 186 for the ten games, after starting 172-172 (my old body just can't get warmed up in ten minutes of practice). Generally I was happy with my bowling, especially the fact that I had two 200+ games in the last four when the lanes were fried. The best thing about it, though, was that I was able to walk out of the building at 12:30 a.m., lugging 8 bowling balls, without the aid of a wheel chair. Life is good!

not bad bud... I only bowl 3 games in the singles and had a 199 average (:),,, but then I am older then you by about 6 months!! LOL I wish I had your ability to ADJUST as the game rolls on! I might move to Vegas for a while, and live with you! We could bowl together for a number of months, as you pass on all your knowledge to ICE! I could do things around the house/yard to earn my keep! Think about it!

You could turn ICEMAN into a monster on the lanes!!! O,,, on that 598 in singes, I went the opposite direction,,, started out with a 220 something, then 191, then a 180 something... KNOWLEDGE IS POWER!!

We shall see today with 5 person teams how the white holds up, and iceman adjusts!

[RobLV1]

not bad bud... I only bowl 3 games in the singles and had a 199 average (:),,, but then I am older then you by about 6 months!! LOL I wish I had your ability to ADJUST as the game rolls on! I might move to Vegas for a while, and live with you! We could bowl together for a number of months, as you pass on all your knowledge to ICE! I could do things around the house/yard to earn my keep! Think about it!

You could turn ICEMAN into a monster on the lanes!!! O,,, on that 598 in singes, I went the opposite direction,,, started out with a 220 something, then 191, then a 180 something... KNOWLEDGE IS POWER!!

We shall see today with 5 person teams how the white holds up, and iceman adjusts!

In terms of adjusting, remember this simple rule: If you have any thought that you should move left, move left. It's better to move too far and too fast, than not far enough and not fast enough. An over-adjustment is going to leave you a simple spare like a two pin. An under-adjustment can result in a big four or Greek Church. You can always move a little bit back if you over-adjusted. Good luck!

[MICHAEL]

I get to Gladstone Bowling alley 45 minutes early, go back to check in and they don't have me listed to bowl! WOW,, they give me a hand written check for 3 bucks, for not being in the 5 person team! WHAT!!! The lady that TALKED ME into DOING THE DAMN TOURNAMENT, told me to be their at 2pm sunday!

So she screwed up on the time for last week, (saying 1pm, instead of 9am), then this week she said be there at 2pm, and USBC rep's say they don't have me listed at all!

HOT,,, VERY HOT!!!! TWICE they screwed up at Gladstone bowl.

On a side note I found out that I was not bowling a White Pattern last week, but a used white pattern, that had been overlaid from the morning with a house pattern incorrectly, AND they skipped the cleaning cycle do to the fact they didn't have the time, and just put tow layers on top of one another. I got this information from Pat Hendersons Coach, and sponsor! You know I hope that information was B.S. but he said it was why it was so squirrely and many complaints last week.

I am very upset, watching just a few minutes of the warm up tonight, it looked like a pretty easy pattern,,,,,, right off watch several bowling's actually playing the 2nd arrow and getting a nice movement to pocket! (unlike last week when I bowled the two layers of oil)

I was hopping to sub, but no dice!! I guess I will have to wait to actually bowl a WHITE PATTERN LAID DOWN CORRECTLY!! GRRRRR!!

I am very UPSET with the management at this establishment for TWICE GIVING me incorrect INFORMATION!!

Getting HOT, not good when your ICEMAN!!!!

I feel like finding another establishment to bowl at,,,, THIS UPSET ME, I paid the full 60 bucks which was for all three events!!! It wasen't the USBC's fault, but rather the management at the alley!!!! NO excuse for TWO screw-ups, and then the bad oil last week! (if that is true)

[fortheloveofbowling]

I'm sorry about that for you Michael. That stinks to get all fired up about bowling and management screws it up. Those people running tournaments around there need to get it together obviously. I'm sure the REAL MEN BOWL ON WOOD tourney will run flawlessly!!

[Aslan]

I'm sorry about that for you Michael. That stinks to get all fired up about bowling and management screws it up. Those people running tournaments around there need to get it together obviously. I'm sure the REAL MEN BOWL ON WOOD tourney will run flawlessly!!

It's Missouri. They are really good about organizing riots...but not much else.

[J Anderson]

It's Missouri. They are really good about organizing riots...but not much else.

Better hope that PDW doesn't hear of the way you disparage his home state.

[fortheloveofbowling]

Better hope that PDW doesn't hear of the way you disparage his home state.

If there was that type of mismanagement during a tournament pete was participating in and affected him negatively, there would probably be a scene.

[Aslan]

Better hope that PDW doesn't hear of the way you disparage his home state.

I'm not afraid of him. Everyone else is for some reason. I already said...when I get to the PBA50...he'll already be gone...but he better not pull that 'poo' with me. My response will be, "Oh shut up! Sit down, and be quiet. And take those damn sunglasses off! We're INSIDE a building...not riding a Harley up Pacific Coast Highway. You look like an idiot." Then after every shot I'll do his double crotch chop just to annoy him.

[MICHAEL]

I will be posting the pictures of the scores as proof!! Wow,,,, Just need to get them out of my phone!

Bowled one warm up game with that ball I won on this site, the Brundswick Beatdown! 268,,, haven't had it out in a while, 16lb drilled with the
Tri Grip. (( problem with the ball is that when they pluged it, my Vise System thumb insert moves up and down maybe 1/16 or so. Driller said it was moving sideways, and that tape inside the plastic ring would fix it. It did see of for a while but then started given that feeling of up and down.

Anyway then moved to new lanes at the NKC AMF, and using the ball on those lanes was not working, so pulled out in the First game 10 frame the
Deadly Aim that Rob hated, and it game me a nice crushing 3 strikes to rescue that game,

171,,, (sucked, beatdown just wasn't working right, and that thumb issue a problem, might just have to have it plugged again???

OK,,, 268 warm up game on different lanes then we bowled league on, 171, 280, and 243, for a 694! add the warm up game 962!

That deadly aim that you gave me has a sweet movement toward the pocket that mine doesn't have. Don't get me wrong, mine has given me some great games and series, but yours special!! LOL Thanks bud for the ball... I tried the Hyper Cell, the one that game me that 741 a few weeks ago, but no luck....

Lets see 962, divided by 4 is 240.5..... ICEMAN,,,, is just starting to get his shirt together,,, and it only took ONE lesson form ROB!!!
http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg546/imagine686868/aaa280_zps82cb85d7.jpg (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/imagine686868/media/aaa280_zps82cb85d7.jpg.html)

almost another 300... grrrrr
http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg546/imagine686868/aaarecap_zps8aea312d.jpg (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/imagine686868/media/aaarecap_zps8aea312d.jpg.html)

[RobLV1]

Strong drill, hmmm.... Nice bowling!

[MICHAEL]

warm up game on a different lane, just before league started..http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg546/imagine686868/aaawarmupgame268_zps87267382.jpg (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/imagine686868/media/aaawarmupgame268_zps87267382.jpg.html)

ICE IS GETTING HOT!! NOT GOOD!!!

[fortheloveofbowling]

Nice shootin michael!

[Aslan]

Hmmm….Ice heating up….Aslan heating up…uh oh. We could be on course for the Perfect Storm.

[MICHAEL]

Hmmm….Ice heating up….Aslan heating up…uh oh. We could be on course for the Perfect Storm.

That perfect storm WILL be In Plattsburg Missouri June the 13th! This will not be about YOU against ME! It will be ICEMAN against the whole fricken West Coast!!! Bring it on!!! Me and my Farm boys are READY!!! Going to be some serious whoppen going to take place on the wood!!

[MICHAEL]

The girly west coast surfer boys and even Big Bad Rob are backing out!!! I guess leaving their COMFORT ZONES is just TOO MUCH for them!
Sad,,, that they will never know the feeling of bowling on a pair of wood mopped lanes!!

Yes mopped oil, using out houses, and rough tuff Faming types, is just TOO MUCH!!!

[Mike White]

The girly west coast surfer boys and even Big Bad Rob are backing out!!! I guess leaving their COMFORT ZONES is just TOO MUCH for them!
Sad,,, that they will never know the feeling of bowling on a pair of wood mopped lanes!!

Yes mopped oil, using out houses, and rough tuff Faming types, is just TOO MUCH!!!

Some of us already have experience bowling on "mopped" wood lanes.

Bug sprayed, then mopped.

Some of us have even shot 300 games on wood.