Close but no cigar on Saturday league night........

[Hammer]

We lost the 1st game by 4 pins, 2nd by 14 pins and the 3rd game by 8 pins. I bowled games of157, 183 and 204. Not that great for a bowler with a 189 average. My teammates had a rough time not bowling average. Our team handicap is 155 and the opposing team has a 250 handicap. With that big of a spread you have to be on your game. That's bowling for ya. Next time will be better hopefully.

[striker12]

if you think that difference in handicap is bad my Tuesday night mixed league are team has a 225 handicap we only have 3/4 bowlers on are team then he have the vacant bowler witch is 90pin handicap 1 team we went against had a 411 handicap. we lost all are games by over 100 pins and we all shot over avg my avg on Tuesday is 162.

my games that week was 198-187-204 but every person on are team beat there avg in each game by 25+ pins

[got_a_300]

Yeah we've had nights like that too our team handicap is
104 and most of the time we are giving 200 - 300+ pins it
is hard to beat a team when they are all bowling over their
averages.

Last week we was spotting the team we bowled against around
350 pins and most of them were bowling over 200. One woman
had a 94 average and was bowling 190 and 210 games and one
of the guys had a 108 average and he was bowling 225 and 250
games and the other two were about 80 pins a game over their
averages also so yeah it is hard to beat that.

[foreverincamo]

Have run into that same problem this season. Spotted one team over 100 per game, and they beat us with their scratch scores. Absolutely murdered us with their handicap added in.

[RobLV1]

We lost the 1st game by 4 pins, 2nd by 14 pins and the 3rd game by 8 pins. I bowled games of157, 183 and 204. Not that great for a bowler with a 189 average. My teammates had a rough time not bowling average. Our team handicap is 155 and the opposing team has a 250 handicap. With that big of a spread you have to be on your game. That's bowling for ya. Next time will be better hopefully.

Seemingly, you guys are missing he point. Hammer shot 23 pins under his average. His team lost totals by 24 pins. In terms of totals, these results show that handicap WORKS! Regardless of individualt results, USBC studies have shown that handicaps would have to be based on 116% to be truely equitable. As it is now, higher average teams have a huge overall advantage. Hammer is simply saying that you have to be on your game. Duh! Just bowl and stop whining about handicaps. You have the advantage. It doesn't mean that you are going to win all the time, but overall, you will.

[MICHAEL]

Seemingly, you guys are missing he point. Hammer shot 23 pins under his average. His team lost totals by 24 pins. In terms of totals, these results show that handicap WORKS! Regardless of individualt results, USBC studies have shown that handicaps would have to be based on 116% to be truely equitable. As it is now, higher average teams have a huge overall advantage. Hammer is simply saying that you have to be on your game. Duh! Just bowl and stop whining about handicaps. You have the advantage. It doesn't mean that you are going to win all the time, but overall, you will.

I agree Rob handicap does work, but it's not reality! I know, I get it, but I don't have to like it! I don't mind getting beat, makes me work harder to beat that person the next time... EVEN if I never beat that person, I would keep trying! The most common handicaps used suck in my opinion!

I like bowling division... say 100 to 150, 150 to 180,,,, ect ect... I know,,,, I know not enough to put leagues together that way.

Scratch leagues are hard to find,,,,

[Mike White]

Yeah we've had nights like that too our team handicap is
104 and most of the time we are giving 200 - 300+ pins

it is hard to beat a team when they are all bowling over their averages.

Last week we was spotting the team we bowled against around
350 pins and most of them were bowling over 200. One woman
had a 94 average and was bowling 190 and 210 games and one
of the guys had a 108 average and he was bowling 225 and 250
games and the other two were about 80 pins a game over their
averages also so yeah it is hard to beat that.

Lets hypothetically say your team is all 150 average bowlers.

Your opponents are all 100 average bowlers.

Your opponents all bowl games of 125.

Your statement is true. "it is hard to beat a team when they are all bowling over their averages."

Now lets assume your opponents all average 200.

Your opponents all bowl games of 225.

Your statement is still true. "it is hard to beat a team when they are all bowling over their averages."

The handicap (you giving them vs them giving you) really didn't change things did it?

[Mike White]

I agree Rob handicap does work, but it's not reality! I know, I get it, but I don't have to like it! I don't mind getting beat, makes me work harder to beat that person the next time... EVEN if I never beat that person, I would keep trying! The most common handicaps used suck in my opinion!

I like bowling division... say 100 to 150, 150 to 180,,,, ect ect... I know,,,, I know not enough to put leagues together that way.

Scratch leagues are hard to find,,,,

In your area, Sport conditions are hard to find, and Scratch leagues are hard to find.

The only thing to be found in your area is walled up easy house shots.

Either that, or you are Mr. Magoo.

[Hammer]

What it all boils down to is if a team with a high handicap bowls over their average then your team with a low handicap better bowl over your averages or you just ain't going to beat them. If anyone of me and my teammates bowled just a little better we would have won everything. This is the frustrating part of bowling when you lose by just a little. What I can take out of this is that I didn't kick the ball return or throw my ball into the floor hard. I just thought to myself oh well! Win or lose I still love to bowl no matter what.

[MICHAEL]

In your area, Sport conditions are hard to find, and Scratch leagues are hard to find.

The only thing to be found in your area is walled up easy house shots.

Either that, or you are Mr. Magoo.

If I am Mr Magoo, your just plain goo!!!

Be here ,,, JUNE 13th, or keep your thoughts about how EASY LANES ARE HERE compared to your West Coast THS to yourself!! I have seen you bowl,,, I think Rob waxed you!! I a pretty sure I could have that day if I would have gotten past Lucky Rob!! How old is Rob,,,O,,, he's 66!! OOO ,,, it must have been that the lanes were too easy, Right MIkeie!!! LOL

I get so tired of you thinking anyone that bowls SUPER, like myself is bowling on walled up house shots! It must be tough bowing in California, where the house shots are much harder,,, ahhhhhh!! I bowl at 3 different NEW establishments! The AMF I use to bowl at is closed.
Yet the Scores keep rolling in HIGH!!! I have posted a few of them... yes ICEMAN can adapt!!

It must be difficult finding a house with a REAL TOUGH HOUSE OIL deserving of your superior talent, knowledge, and skills! LOL :rolleyes: What would that pattern be called? NOT Red, white, or blue,,, maybe off pink?? (:)

We will see what you think of Missouri oil, if your man enough to take the challenge of YOUR LIFE!!!

YES,,, REAL MEN BOWL ON WOOD IN SMALL TOWN USA ...

One thing I will say about the Farm Boys/Men I bowl with,,, They like it challenging!!!! Changing patterns every FRICKEN WEEK! I had two 200's last Thursday on one of there modified 42 foot patterns.... MAKE MY DAY,,,, BE here JUNE 13th,,,, ( I doubt Rob will make the trip, due to his age, so you don't have to worry about him this time,,,, but I will be here wafting, balls in hand)!

[got_a_300]

What it all boils down to is if a team with a high handicap bowls over their average then your team with a low handicap better bowl over your averages or you just ain't going to beat them. If anyone of me and my teammates bowled just a little better we would have won everything. This is the frustrating part of bowling when you lose by just a little. What I can take out of this is that I didn't kick the ball return or throw my ball into the floor hard. I just thought to myself oh well! Win or lose I still love to bowl no matter what.

Agreed Hammer if you are not on your toes and bowling your best then
you are going to get beat plain and simple. I missed picking up a baby
3-10 split a couple of weeks ago and we lost the game by 4 pins so yeah
you have to bowl good or loose.

I always take it in stride when we loose I don't have fits and throw things
around or kick things and like MICHAEL said in his post I'll just try to bowl
better and beat them the next time we have to bowl against their team.

[Mike White]

If I am Mr Magoo, your just plain goo!!!

Be here ,,, JUNE 13th, or keep your thoughts about how EASY LANES ARE HERE compared to your West Coast THS to yourself!! I have seen you bowl,,, I think Rob waxed you!! I a pretty sure I could have that day if I would have gotten past Lucky Rob!! How old is Rob,,,O,,, he's 66!! OOO ,,, it must have been that the lanes were too easy, Right MIkeie!!! LOL

I get so tired of you thinking anyone that bowls SUPER, like myself is bowling on walled up house shots! It must be tough bowing in California, where the house shots are much harder,,, ahhhhhh!! I bowl at 3 different NEW establishments! The AMF I use to bowl at is closed.
Yet the Scores keep rolling in HIGH!!! I have posted a few of them... yes ICEMAN can adapt!!

It must be difficult finding a house with a REAL TOUGH HOUSE OIL deserving of your superior talent, knowledge, and skills! LOL :rolleyes: What would that pattern be called? NOT Red, white, or blue,,, maybe off pink?? (:)

We will see what you think of Missouri oil, if your man enough to take the challenge of YOUR LIFE!!!

YES,,, REAL MEN BOWL ON WOOD IN SMALL TOWN USA ...

One thing I will say about the Farm Boys/Men I bowl with,,, They like it challenging!!!! Changing patterns every FRICKEN WEEK! I had two 200's last Thursday on one of there modified 42 foot patterns.... MAKE MY DAY,,,, BE here JUNE 13th,,,, ( I doubt Rob will make the trip, due to his age, so you don't have to worry about him this time,,,, but I will be here wafting, balls in hand)!

This is your response to Aslan, when he said you don't like Sport Patterns.


YOU ARE WRONG my friend!! THEY ARE SO damn hard to find! People don't seem to like them around here, they all want to bowl the house easiest one. Red

Logically, if they all want to bowl the house easiest one. Red..... Then you too are bowling on the easiest one... Red. Not necessarily your choice, but thats what you are shooting on.

The conditions I usually shoot on are probably just as easy.

I however don't play the shot in a way to take advantage of the "easiness".

I'm still playing the way we played very short oil back in the 80's.

To take advantage of the modern oil patterns and balls, I need to change my release from 500+ RPM down to something more like 350.

I have to unlearn how to throw that much revs, and it's hard because it's mostly muscle memory.

So in the mean time, on a house shot, I have to play away from the oil, and use a urethane ball, which gives up a lot of carry.

In the VBT I did run into a SUPER EASY house shot where I was able to use a reactive resin ball (Storm Byte) and managed to shoot quite well with it.
279-258-300 = 837.

As for Vegas, the way the Step ladder was conducted was unfair to you, myself and Mudpuppy.

With that structure, the bowlers that are waiting, usually have a extra lane to keep warm on. Then a few frames of practice on the competition pair before the match starts.

Rob benefited since he kept warm by bowling in each match.

When we moved to a different pair, we both should have had a few frames of practice.

[striker12]

This is your response to Aslan, when he said you don't like Sport Patterns.



Logically, if they all want to bowl the house easiest one. Red..... Then you too are bowling on the easiest one... Red. Not necessarily your choice, but thats what you are shooting on.

The conditions I usually shoot on are probably just as easy.

I however don't play the shot in a way to take advantage of the "easiness".

I'm still playing the way we played very short oil back in the 80's.

To take advantage of the modern oil patterns and balls, I need to change my release from 500+ RPM down to something more like 350.

I have to unlearn how to throw that much revs, and it's hard because it's mostly muscle memory.

So in the mean time, on a house shot, I have to play away from the oil, and use a urethane ball, which gives up a lot of carry.

In the VBT I did run into a SUPER EASY house shot where I was able to use a reactive resin ball (Storm Byte) and managed to shoot quite well with it.
279-258-300 = 837.

As for Vegas, the way the Step ladder was conducted was unfair to you, myself and Mudpuppy.

With that structure, the bowlers that are waiting, usually have a extra lane to keep warm on. Then a few frames of practice on the competition pair before the match starts.

Rob benefited since he kept warm by bowling in each match.

When we moved to a different pair, we both should have had a few frames of practice.


well mike I want to point 1 thing out about something you said, you said you have a 500+ RPM and that you would need to go down to a 350, for modern oil patterns and bowling balls.

if you got the right bowling balls and right layout put on the ball to see what you want to see them do.

I got a 450+ RPM and I throw a lot of newer bowling balls I have just drilled them a way where they are not too aggressive like my 900 global network drilled it the same way as my track kinetic pearl other then pins are just alittle different. my network has pin over ringer finger closer to the right side (right handed) amd the CG kicked backwards to my thumb, with this creates more length and with my rev rate it counters it to let it still hook back in so I don't have to stand as far left.

now 2 other balls I have my DV8 nightmare and my Brunswick meanstreak brawler 2 different layouts and 2 different performance in balls and I can play the same line with 2 different looks. 1st the nightmare it goes long and makes a strong fast move back into the pocket drilled pin over ring finger more to the right side with the CG kicked out 45 DEG. the Brunswick meanstreak brawler hittings the end of the oil and makes a strong arc back into the pins, drilled pin down on CGL with CG kicked out 45 DEG.

see right there between the brawler and nightmare the nightmare was ment for heavy oil and the brawler was ment for med oil, and I can play both the same line standing infront of ball return going over the left gutter, 1 hooks sooner then the other. see what I mean by right ball and right layout can make it so you can get a lower performance ball and make it just like a high performance ball. just with a different look on the backend now.

with my network I can go straight up 5 board with it and I can also get left by just changing my revs and speed.

if you want to lower your rev rate don't curle your wrist as much leave it more flat.