Another new experience...pin dropping and bowled anyways...

[Aslan]

One unique thing that happened to me Tuesday, that I had never experienced before, was I got up on the approach, got my left foot on my mark, looked up at the arrows and couted my boards to the target, went over in my head the 4 things I needed to focus on...then...

...I started my approach...trying to stay focused on the arrows/target...and as the ball was in the downswing...I got a "glimpse" of the pins out of the top of my eyes...and noticed that the pinsetter had dropped the headpin. :eek:

So I threw the ball anyways given I was already in the swing motion. I came back towards the sitting area and the lady on the other team came up to fix the score and reset the pins. I left either a 4 or a 6 but it didn't count.

What was weird about it was:
1) Normally I would notice that...but as people have commented on...inside and outside of this website...sometimes my level of focus/conentration/over-thinking is so high that I don't always remember to do certain things. Thats why I keep notes of where I'm standing/targeting and what ball I'm using on each lane...because otherwise I'll actually forget.
2) The teams really didn't STOP me. Usually if a person is going to bowl on the wrong lane or a pin gets dropped...your team and/or the other team are yelling to you...but I think in this case...since it was so obvious....they figured I'd notice it before I bowled.

Just thought I'd share that since it's never happened to me before where a pin got dropped and I didn't realize it before entering my approach.

[Shaneshu87]

something similar happened to me last week in my league, except it was a missing 5 pin which is a little harder to spot. but i didn't notice it till after the release, i almost always to a quick glance at the pins to make sure the bar is not down and that i have pins up before i start my approach, and i honestly didn't see the missing 5 pin. i went up and buried the pocket flush, (this was my 9th strike in a row, 300 pace) but i didn't realize the missing 5 pin untill it was too late. and i don't think anyone else noticed it from either team. but i spoke up and said to a member of the other team that it was missing and i was going to rerack and shoot again, in which case he agreed, but some of his teammates said not to worry about it "it's pretty hard to strike with out the 5" was what they all agreed upon. but out of good sportsman ship i reracked anyway and shot again for a 9/ and cleaned house for a 279... kicked myself for that one lol

[rv driver]

something similar happened to me last week in my league, except it was a missing 5 pin which is a little harder to spot. but i didn't notice it till after the release, i almost always to a quick glance at the pins to make sure the bar is not down and that i have pins up before i start my approach, and i honestly didn't see the missing 5 pin. i went up and buried the pocket flush, (this was my 9th strike in a row, 300 pace) but i didn't realize the missing 5 pin untill it was too late. and i don't think anyone else noticed it from either team. but i spoke up and said to a member of the other team that it was missing and i was going to rerack and shoot again, in which case he agreed, but some of his teammates said not to worry about it "it's pretty hard to strike with out the 5" was what they all agreed upon. but out of good sportsman ship i reracked anyway and shot again for a 9/ and cleaned house for a 279... kicked myself for that one lol
Yeah, but if you hadn't mentioned it and thrown a 300, it would have haunted you forever that it wasn't *really* a 300. Better to throw an honest 279 and shoot a real 300 at some point.

[mc_runner]

I've gone up and nearly bowled on an empty rack. I've seen teammates do that too - I barely glance at the pins when I get up there, I'm focusing on my mark and setup. Odd that no one called you back though, that's usually what saves it from happening.

[J Anderson]

I had a teammate who hit the sweep because he only looked at his spot and didn't notice that the sweep hadn't gone back up.

[vgw]

I yelled over to another pair of lanes that the 5 pin was missing. The guy stopped, looked at me, then went on to bowl. Nobody did anything. I think he had about 7-8 strikes in a row counting that shot.

I would rather get a real strike instead of a freebie any day. Congrats on making a great decision.

[Aslan]

Yeah, but if you hadn't mentioned it and thrown a 300, it would have haunted you forever that it wasn't *really* a 300. Better to throw an honest 279 and shoot a real 300 at some point.

THIS

It's really annoying but happens on league night a LOT where there's a pin that fell but rather than correct the score or call the desk to re-set a certain pin everyone just says "it's okay". It's annoying because I've seen far too many games and series decided by 1-30 pins.

[Mike White]

THIS

It's really annoying but happens on league night a LOT where there's a pin that fell but rather than correct the score or call the desk to re-set a certain pin everyone just says "it's okay". It's annoying because I've seen far too many games and series decided by 1-30 pins.

You mean like at Temecula when you threw a gutter ball and it took out the 10 pin, then you decided not to correct the score, or call the desk to re-set the pin.... Yeah it is annoying :)

[zdawg]

You mean like at Temecula when you threw a gutter ball and it took out the 10 pin, then you decided not to correct the score, or call the desk to re-set the pin.... Yeah it is annoying :)

I seem to recall that as well :rolleyes: although I can't blame my awful performance on that

[Aslan]

You mean like at Temecula when you threw a gutter ball and it took out the 10 pin, then you decided not to correct the score, or call the desk to re-set the pin.... Yeah it is annoying :)

Actually, if you play back the footage…which can be done by clicking on my USBC number and going to watch the 1st Annual Billy Hardwick Memorial Southern California Aslan vs. Zdaw Invitational…I offered to have them re-set the rack but was told my Mr. White not to worry about it. It wasn't until I then struck/spared (and went on to dominate the tournament and humiliate my opponents with my truly awesome victory) that I then heard the "rumblings".

It should also be noted…that KEY to that decision…was the fact that we were playing on a Saturday and the counter staff had virtually no idea what they were doing. It took over 5 minutes just to explain to them that we wanted two lanes alternating like league play. To which they responded, "I don't know how to do that." That is NOT a good sign!

[Mike White]

Actually, if you play back the footage…which can be done by clicking on my USBC number and going to watch the 1st Annual Billy Hardwick Memorial Southern California Aslan vs. Zdaw Invitational…I offered to have them re-set the rack but was told my Mr. White not to worry about it. It wasn't until I then struck/spared (and went on to dominate the tournament and humiliate my opponents with my truly awesome victory) that I then heard the "rumblings".

It should also be noted…that KEY to that decision…was the fact that we were playing on a Saturday and the counter staff had virtually no idea what they were doing. It took over 5 minutes just to explain to them that we wanted two lanes alternating like league play. To which they responded, "I don't know how to do that." That is NOT a good sign!

You really aren't good with the facts are you?

In game #1, at about the 10:30 minute mark you threw the ball in the gutter, while I was bowling (and didn't hear you) you were complaining that it would take 2 hours for the staff to fix the problem. What we didn't know at the time is, the bowlers didn't have the ability to correct the score at the console.

When you asked me about fixing the scoring, I noticed that you were following a strike, and the difference of getting a 1 or a 0 on the first ball didn't change the score. You still should have recycled to pins so you were shooting at a full rack.

In game #3 at the 8:15 mark, I missed a 7 pin, and immediately you indicated that the score needs to be corrected.
After about 45 seconds of not being able to correct the score ourself, you headed off to the desk, and this same "incompetent staff" you complained about had the score corrected 20 seconds later.

[Aslan]

Thats a very "dodgy" recap...kinda "politician-esque" which is good because it's getting us ready for the 2016 campaign.

1) As you sorta mentioned/downplayed...my 10-pin falling down...didn't impact my score in any way. The only possible way it could of in ANY way affected ANYTHING is if I struck on the next ball to give me a 1 /....no different than a - /...but there's always that chance that if the 10-pin were there...even though it was a solid hit...maybe the 10-pin stays standing...maybe.

2) In order to fix MY issue....we'd have had to have the desk NOT ONLY correct the score...but erase it...and then reset the rack to first ball...OR...have someone in the back put the 10-pin back up. That is a MUCH higher degree of difficulty for a clueless staff than simply saying "can you make that 2nd ball a "-".

3) YOUR ball DEFINITELY would have impacted the score because it was the 2nd ball. It was essential that it be changed...it was an easy call...and an easy correction for even THAT front desk to correct. You took minor issue that I was "Johnny on the spot" in terms of correcting it when we didn't bother correcting mine. But the footage will show I was JUST as "Johnny on the spot" about fixing mine...it just was a more confusing fix and didn't matter as much.

AND...here's the real kicker...EVEN IF we assume that I'd hit the pocket and leave the 10-pin on that shot (despite visual evidence to the contrary)...I STILL defeat ZDawg by 2 pins and you by 31 pins.

For those that don't remember one of the most impressive victories in bowling lore...the scores were:

ASLAN: 129-151-174 = 454 (+78hcp) = 532 <-----CHAMPION!!!

ZDawg: 105-107-160 = 372 (+150hcp) = 522

MWHite: 127-173-193 = 493 (+/-0hcp) = 493

So...even if we alter the Game 1 score to a 121...I STILL WIN!!!

I think you just want it to be a 121 so that you can say you beat me and ZDawg scratch every game and only lost due to generous handicap...even though we negotiated those handicaps ahead of the event...and if ANYTHING...I was the one that was most negatively affected by the resulting handicaps. You claimed to have like a 190 average yet ever since then, on a THS, you seem to average 200+ and I gave ZDawg almost double what you gave me even though on non-wood lane conditions (at that time I was bowling primarily on wood lanes)...my average was barely higher than ZDawg's. I picked ZDawg to win the event...and had he figured out his ball speed issues just a shade sooner...he would have. You started so bad out of the gate...then couldn't figure out how to strike in Game 2...so by Game 3 you needed to be perfect. Even giving you both the missed spares...you'd have only hit about 519. It was that first game that just crippled you.