Which Storm IQ ball for when the lanes start to break down?

[MattRagle]

Okay let me start by saying I recently purchased a Storm IQ Tour Nano and had the pso put a 4x4x2 layout on the ball, my ball speed is 15.5 and I play up the back of the ball with a high track. Once the lanes start to breakdown I run out of room moving left and I'm wondering which IQ would be best in this situation should I go with a Fusion or a Pearl or possibly buy another Nano and put a weaker layout on it? My current league average after not bowling for 10 years is a 168 due to running out of room and leaving some pretty gnarly splits in the third game each week of league. I do want to stick with the Storm IQ line as I have some trouble throwing asymmetric equipment.

[Blacksox1]

I would buy a fusion over another nano. 4x4x2 is a very strong layout. 15.5 mph is a good ball speed provided you are using 14 lb+ equipment. Storm marvel pearl could be considered as well.

[MattRagle]

Forgot to mention I'm using 15 pound equipment. Would you take the Fusion over the Pearl? My Pro shop has a Fusion in stock but I'd have to order a Pearl. Only thing stopping me from a Marvel Pearl is this my pro shop doesn't have one in stock and I'm worried about not liking the smell, I know that shouldn't matter but some smells I can't stand and it says it's an Aromatherapy scent.

[striker12]

ok well you should go with the pearl instead of the fusion, the pearl gives more lengths then the fusion does, I don't own a fusion but I did test one out at a demo day, but I do have the Iq tour pearl.

you say with the nano you run out of room moving left I have been there so many times with my iq tour pearl and have it drilled pin up on CGL (center grip line) with the CG kicked out 3in from my thumb. I don't know the numbers. mine pearl had a balance hole drilled right on my PAP. I throw the ball around 20-21MPH and have a rev rate of 500+ (the sheet we had did not go past 500) im also a high track bowler.

I have been to the part where I have to loft over the left gutter. so i have to switch down the a less aggressive ball. witch would be my rumble another lay response bowling ball.

the iq tour pearl would be the best for you and i was say going with the same layout as mine other then where the CG is move in close to thumb if you create axis tilt i put little to no axis tilt.

[RobLV1]

Okay let me start by saying I recently purchased a Storm IQ Tour Nano and had the pso put a 4x4x2 layout on the ball, my ball speed is 15.5 and I play up the back of the ball with a high track. Once the lanes start to breakdown I run out of room moving left and I'm wondering which IQ would be best in this situation should I go with a Fusion or a Pearl or possibly buy another Nano and put a weaker layout on it? My current league average after not bowling for 10 years is a 168 due to running out of room and leaving some pretty gnarly splits in the third game each week of league. I do want to stick with the Storm IQ line as I have some trouble throwing asymmetric equipment.

Storm has a whole lot of symmetric equipment that is designed to go longer when the lanes breakdown. By trying to stick with the IQ line, you are totally ignoring the influence that the core has on ball motion. I think that you would be much better served by looking at some of the Storm balls that have a higher rg to help the ball get down the lane: the "Out" line (Punch Out, Wipe Out, etc.), the Road Series, etc. All of these have symmetric cores that are designed to do what you are for.

[striker12]

Storm has a whole lot of symmetric equipment that is designed to go longer when the lanes breakdown. By trying to stick with the IQ line, you are totally ignoring the influence that the core has on ball motion. I think that you would be much better served by looking at some of the Storm balls that have a higher rg to help the ball get down the lane: the "Out" line (Punch Out, Wipe Out, etc.), the Road Series, etc. All of these have symmetric cores that are designed to do what you are for.

ok rob you got it all wrong there rg does not make a ball go longer or shorter, all the rg is ment for is for the shape of hook on the backend the higher the rg more of a smooth arc and the lower the rg the more of a snap. you can take 2 balls 1 with a low rg of 2.48 and 1 with 2.58 then put the same diff on then both at 0.050, same coverstock and core on both balls and they will both hook at the same point. 1 being more smooth arm and 1 being a snap.

what makes a ball go longer is the diff for instents the iq tour line they have low diff they will go farther down the lane before they make a snap because of the low RG, then take the roto-grip rumble for instant's also has a low Diff but has a med-high RG. witch makes this ball have more of a smoothed backend not a snap.

[fortheloveofbowling]

ok rob you got it all wrong there rg does not make a ball go longer or shorter, all the rg is ment for is for the shape of hook on the backend the higher the rg more of a smooth arc and the lower the rg the more of a snap. you can take 2 balls 1 with a low rg of 2.48 and 1 with 2.58 then put the same diff on then both at 0.050, same coverstock and core on both balls and they will both hook at the same point. 1 being more smooth arm and 1 being a snap.

what makes a ball go longer is the diff for instents the iq tour line they have low diff they will go farther down the lane before they make a snap because of the low RG, then take the roto-grip rumble for instant's also has a low Diff but has a med-high RG. witch makes this ball have more of a smoothed backend not a snap.

No, Rob is correct. The rg is the number that indicates the potential length and the diff is the potential back end motion before drilling of course. Higher rg promotes length and lower rg promotes earlier roll in the fronts. The lower the diff is the more arching and controlled and the higher the diff the more angular beacuse of flare potential. The higher the diff the more potential for flare. The numbers again are before holes have been put in the ball.

[striker12]

No, Rob is correct. The rg is the number that indicates the potential length and the diff is the potential back end motion before drilling of course. Higher rg promotes length and lower rg promotes earlier roll. The lower the diff is the more arching and controlled and the higher the diff the more angular beacuse of flare potential. The higher the diff the more potential for flare. The numbers again are before holes have been put in the ball.

ok you must be aggressing with him because he has said this same thing before but its wrong. contact storm or any other company and they will tell you the RG is for the shape of the backend and the diff is the length, lower the diff makes the ball go longer. I have worked in a proshop for a few years and I have thrown multiple different bowling balls with all different numbers and when I threw my iq tour pearl. it went down the lane a lot longer and made a very strong snap.

so then how does my iq tour pearl with a diff of .029 snap instead of arching.

you get a ball with a high diff of .050-.060 your ball with turn up sooner, the diff does not do anything with the hook, it only tells how far down the lane the ball will go before it hooks.


let me guess rob said this in another post to you or to someone else and you read it and you believed it. how about this I have seen it so many times rob post on someone's thread with not correct information completely wrong just like this one he posted, so I msged the person who made that post to not listen to what rob said because he's wrong, because rob with get into a argument with anyone that says he's wrong I have seen it personally and with other people.

rob thinks he knows everything and he goes on to everyone that he does but you know what, you know what bowling balls have changed from when he first started learning I got into bowling when the change happened.


so do me a favour and contact storm and say to them that the RG is for the length lets see what they say to you because I have already asked them awhile ago.

[fortheloveofbowling]

ok you must be aggressing with him because he has said this same thing before but its wrong. contact storm or any other company and they will tell you the RG is for the shape of the backend and the diff is the length, lower the diff makes the ball go longer. I have worked in a proshop for a few years and I have thrown multiple different bowling balls with all different numbers and when I threw my iq tour pearl. it went down the lane a lot longer and made a very strong snap.

so then how does my iq tour pearl with a diff of .029 snap instead of arching.

you get a ball with a high diff of .050-.060 your ball with turn up sooner, the diff does not do anything with the hook, it only tells how far down the lane the ball will go before it hooks.


let me guess rob said this in another post to you or to someone else and you read it and you believed it. how about this I have seen it so many times rob post on someone's thread with not correct information completely wrong just like this one he posted, so I msged the person who made that post to not listen to what rob said because he's wrong, because rob with get into a argument with anyone that says he's wrong I have seen it personally and with other people.

rob thinks he knows everything and he goes on to everyone that he does but you know what, you know what bowling balls have changed from when he first started learning I got into bowling when the change happened.


so do me a favour and contact storm and say to them that the RG is for the length lets see what they say to you because I have already asked them awhile ago.

Just do a search for ball rg and differential ratings dude.

[striker12]

how about this go to this site and you read what differential is Dude.

https://www.stormbowling.com/faq/glossary

in the text when you get to differential you can move your mouse over some words and it will clarify what it means

[fortheloveofbowling]

how about this go to this site and you read what differential is Dude.

https://www.stormbowling.com/faq/glossary

in the text when you get to differential you can move your mouse over some words and it will clarify what it means

Yeah, did you read it? Like rob said, diff is the track flare potential which is the indicator for the type of back end motion. Again this is before drilling and can be altered one way or the other. Listen man, i don't want to argue with you. You can look at the those numbers how ever you want as long as it works for you. Good luck with your game.

[mc_runner]

Right on the site it says, under differential: "Differential is an indicator of a bowling balls track flare potential. Bowling balls with lower differentials are more stable, therefore generating less track flare potential. Bowling balls with higher differentials are unstable, therefore generating a much larger track flare potential." which is exactly what FTLOB said.

[striker12]

lol diff does create flare did you go down and READ the RG area because it seems you did not read it properly when it says the DIFF creates length nothing about hook, only flare flare does not create hook, all flare does is move the core inside the ball.

I will post everything it says here for everyone to read.

[striker12]

The difference of the radius of gyration of a bowling balls X axis (the weight block vertical) compared to the radius of gyration of the same balls Y or Z axis (the weight block horizontal). Differential is an indicator of a bowling balls track flare( The migration of the ball track from the bowler's initial axis (the axis upon release/PAP) to the final axis (the axis at the moment of impact with the pins). Flare is a length modifier. Flare is used to expose fresh, dry ball surface to the lane surface, the entire length of the lane. The greater the Flare, the greater the amount of friction between the ball and the lane; the greater the friction, the greater the hook potential of a ball.) Bowling balls with lower differentials are more stable, therefore generating less track flare potential.(The maximum amount that the axis of a bowling ball can migrate given the construction of the ball provided that the bowler has a maximum power release. Flare potential can also be used to indicate which balls will be better suited for oily conditions (high flare balls) and which balls will be better suited for dryer lane conditions (low flare balls).). Bowling balls with higher differentials are unstable, therefore generating a much larger track flare potential. Also, differential is a guide to the internal versatility of a ball. It can indicate just how much of a length (An evaluation of how far a ball will travel before it begins to hook. Length does not include skid caused by lane conditioner, additional fine sanding, or the use of polishes) adjustment can be made through drilling. Balls with lower differential will allow only modest length adjustments whereas balls with higher differential may translate into a length window of up to 5-times that of low differential balls.


I even put the side notes in it for you guys to read.

[fortheloveofbowling]

lol diff does create flare did you go down and READ the RG area because it seems you did not read it properly when it says the DIFF creates length nothing about hook, only flare flare does not create hook, all flare does is move the core inside the ball.

I will post everything it says here for everyone to read.

Exactly the core is unstable inside and that creates flare and motion. For instance, i have a black diamond my dad bough in 1962 and when i throw it there is 1 oil line about the width of a pencil. This is because the core is stable and therefore the ball rolls fairly straight. Now, a current ball has multiple oil rings which is flare and is why we can now hook the ball the way we do.

[fortheloveofbowling]

The difference of the radius of gyration of a bowling balls X axis (the weight block vertical) compared to the radius of gyration of the same balls Y or Z axis (the weight block horizontal). Differential is an indicator of a bowling balls track flare( The migration of the ball track from the bowler's initial axis (the axis upon release/PAP) to the final axis (the axis at the moment of impact with the pins). Flare is a length modifier. Flare is used to expose fresh, dry ball surface to the lane surface, the entire length of the lane. The greater the Flare, the greater the amount of friction between the ball and the lane; the greater the friction, the greater the hook potential of a ball.) Bowling balls with lower differentials are more stable, therefore generating less track flare potential.(The maximum amount that the axis of a bowling ball can migrate given the construction of the ball provided that the bowler has a maximum power release. Flare potential can also be used to indicate which balls will be better suited for oily conditions (high flare balls) and which balls will be better suited for dryer lane conditions (low flare balls).). Bowling balls with higher differentials are unstable, therefore generating a much larger track flare potential. Also, differential is a guide to the internal versatility of a ball. It can indicate just how much of a length (An evaluation of how far a ball will travel before it begins to hook. Length does not include skid caused by lane conditioner, additional fine sanding, or the use of polishes) adjustment can be made through drilling. Balls with lower differential will allow only modest length adjustments whereas balls with higher differential may translate into a length window of up to 5-times that of low differential balls.


I even put the side notes in it for you guys to read.

Just explain where in there it says diff controls length and not the part in parenthesis you added.

[striker12]

Exactly the core is unstable inside and that creates flare and motion. For instance, i have a black diamond my dad bough in 1962 and when i throw it there is 1 oil line about the width of a pencil. This is because the core is stable and therefore the ball rolls fairly straight. Now, a current ball has multiple oil rings which is flare and is why we can now hook the ball the way we do.


ok your completely not understanding it at all. DIFF creates friction with you have a high DIFF ball it will create more friction preventing it from going down the lane to far. the RG is was changes the direction of the ball

Radius of gyration, RG measured in inches, radius of gyration is the distance from the axis of rotation at which the total mass of a body might be concentrated without changing its moment of inertia.(Resistance to change in rotation)

[striker12]

Just explain where in there it says diff controls length and not the part in parenthesis you added.

go back to the site and go back down the DIFF it has words in it that are underlines move your mouse over that word and it will come up with more text witch will clarify what it says.

[fortheloveofbowling]

ok your completely not understanding it at all. DIFF creates friction with you have a high DIFF ball it will create more friction preventing it from going down the lane to far. the RG is was changes the direction of the ball

Radius of gyration, RG measured in inches, radius of gyration is the distance from the axis of rotation at which the total mass of a body might be concentrated without changing its moment of inertia.(Resistance to change in rotation)

I think you are misunderstanding the part where it says something about length adjustments. Is that the part where you get the length definition?

[striker12]

ok nothing I have said was about the length adjustments if you go into the side notes on that side it will explain what it means. all my information has come from storm.


so im done here you guys think your all correct even when i asked storm and they have clarified it for me. i have also been to pro shop seminars witch they talk about this and i have also watched the video that storm released about the crux webinar and they explain it in there. 1 thing you guys don't seem to get about me is i have a very good visual memory i watch or get told something i can remember forever. i cant even watch a movie more then once because i remember what happens in it.

[fortheloveofbowling]

go back to the site and go back down the DIFF it has words in it that are underlines move your mouse over that word and it will come up with more text witch will clarify what it says.

I missing the masters matchplay. I am going to stick with my interpretations of rg controlling length and diff controlling motion. The numbers on a undrilled ball along with surface are the characteristics of that ball. When you punch holes in it and depending on where those holes are you can change those characteristics. You go with what works for you. Good day to you sir.

[fortheloveofbowling]

Matt,

To get back to the original question before striker and i had our differing opinions. I have the iq tour pearl and i like it. Like rob said, you could go with some of the other storm stuff with the higher rg which IMO would help get the ball down the lane. The way i had my iq drilled allows adequate length and a fairly controlled motion on the back. I don't know your game but since you are just getting back in to bowling i would talk to the pro shop guy about a similar drill. That way you don't get a drill that turns out to be erratic at the break point. As i said, even with the lower rg my iq has decent length. It does seem to be a ball based on what i have seen from other guys that is versatile in regards to drilling options. Whatever you choose just let your driller watch you and explain what you are looking for as far as ball motion for the entire lane. Good luck with your choice.

[Mike White]

ok nothing I have said was about the length adjustments if you go into the side notes on that side it will explain what it means. all my information has come from storm.


so im done here you guys think your all correct even when i asked storm and they have clarified it for me. i have also been to pro shop seminars witch they talk about this and i have also watched the video that storm released about the crux webinar and they explain it in there. 1 thing you guys don't seem to get about me is i have a very good visual memory i watch or get told something i can remember forever. i cant even watch a movie more then once because i remember what happens in it.

Storm has an incorrect popup when you point to the word length in the definition of Differential.

In the case of differential, the length being controlled is known as the amount of track flair, such as 1-2", 3-4", 5-6", 6"+

That is not the same length as a distance down the lane.

[striker12]

Storm has an incorrect popup when you point to the word length in the definition of Differential.

In the case of differential, the length being controlled is known as the amount of track flair, such as 1-2", 3-4", 5-6", 6"+

That is not the same length as a distance down the lane.


ok that's not what I was fully saying I have asked storm I contacted them and they told me that DIFF was that creates length on a ball and they also have me a example of it:

heres the example:"" your out side with your shoes on and you slide on ice you slide for abit of a distance but slowly slowing down (low friction).

now you go over to the road and you try to slide there you might slide 2inch or non at all(high friction)

so classing the ice as a low flaring ball it does not creates much friction making it slide down the lane more.

taking the road as a high flaring ball it will create more friction making the ball slow down and not get that far down the lane.""



now I asked them what can make the ball hook and its a combination of the RG and the core.

what they said to me was when the ball starts to slow down the RG takes over and helps the ball move left the lower the RG the more of a faster turn it will have but a higher RG will have more of a smooth arc, what actually makes the ball first turn is the axis rotation that the bowler puts on the ball to move the core in a certain direction the RG just helps the ball make the turn.


these words straight from storms

[Mike White]

ok you must be aggressing with him because he has said this same thing before but its wrong. contact storm or any other company and they will tell you the RG is for the shape of the backend and the diff is the length, lower the diff makes the ball go longer. I have worked in a proshop for a few years and I have thrown multiple different bowling balls with all different numbers and when I threw my iq tour pearl. it went down the lane a lot longer and made a very strong snap.

so then how does my iq tour pearl with a diff of .029 snap instead of arching.

you get a ball with a high diff of .050-.060 your ball with turn up sooner, the diff does not do anything with the hook, it only tells how far down the lane the ball will go before it hooks.


let me guess rob said this in another post to you or to someone else and you read it and you believed it. how about this I have seen it so many times rob post on someone's thread with not correct information completely wrong just like this one he posted, so I msged the person who made that post to not listen to what rob said because he's wrong, because rob with get into a argument with anyone that says he's wrong I have seen it personally and with other people.

rob thinks he knows everything and he goes on to everyone that he does but you know what, you know what bowling balls have changed from when he first started learning I got into bowling when the change happened.


so do me a favour and contact storm and say to them that the RG is for the length lets see what they say to you because I have already asked them awhile ago.

Just because Rob is wrong, doesn't mean you are right.

When you refer to length (as in distance down the lane) there are 2 different measurements that seem to get confused.

First you have the length of skid. (foul line to the beginning of the hook phase)
Then you have the length of the hook phase.

The length of the roll phase is a simple math calculation, 60' - skid - hook.

The surface of the ball, lane conditions, and track flare (very small effect) determines the length of the skid phase.

The skid phase lasts until the ball sees friction.

The drilled differential, drilled RG, and lane conditions control the hook phase of the ball.

Hook phase lasts until the ball is rolling.

Your IQ Tour Pearl goes long, and snaps, because the skid phase is extended due to the pearl surface, and the hook phase is reduced due to the low RG.

As for Rob arguing with anyone who says he's wrong, I don't find that to be the case. The last thing Rob wants to do is argue when I tell him he is wrong.

[striker12]

Just because Rob is wrong, doesn't mean you are right.

When you refer to length (as in distance down the lane) there are 2 different measurements that seem to get confused.

First you have the length of skid. (foul line to the beginning of the hook phase)
Then you have the length of the hook phase.

The length of the roll phase is a simple math calculation, 60' - skid - hook.

The surface of the ball, lane conditions, and track flare (very small effect) determines the length of the skid phase.

The skid phase lasts until the ball sees friction.

The drilled differential, drilled RG, and lane conditions control the hook phase of the ball.

Hook phase lasts until the ball is rolling.

Your IQ Tour Pearl goes long, and snaps, because the skid phase is extended due to the pearl surface, and the hook phase is reduced due to the low RG.

As for Rob arguing with anyone who says he's wrong, I don't find that to be the case. The last thing Rob wants to do is argue when I tell him he is wrong.

ok you clear up a lot of things here lets not saying this to be rude, lets end this whole thing so it don't go no further.

[Mike White]

ok that's not what I was fully saying I have asked storm I contacted them and they told me that DIFF was that creates length on a ball and they also have me a example of it:

heres the example:"" your out side with your shoes on and you slide on ice you slide for abit of a distance but slowly slowing down (low friction).

now you go over to the road and you try to slide there you might slide 2inch or non at all(high friction)

so classing the ice as a low flaring ball it does not creates much friction making it slide down the lane more.

taking the road as a high flaring ball it will create more friction making the ball slow down and not get that far down the lane.""



now I asked them what can make the ball hook and its a combination of the RG and the core.

what they said to me was when the ball starts to slow down the RG takes over and helps the ball move left the lower the RG the more of a faster turn it will have but a higher RG will have more of a smooth arc, what actually makes the ball first turn is the axis rotation that the bowler puts on the ball to move the core in a certain direction the RG just helps the ball make the turn.


these words straight from storms

A resin ball will reduce friction more than a non-resin ball, when there is oil between the ball and the lane.
A resin ball will increase friction more than a non-resin ball, when there is no oil between the ball and the lane.

If you use a low diff ball with resin, there will be more oil between the ball and the lane, even after the end of the pattern, because of oil picked up on previous revolutions.

By adding the unstable core, track flair causes the ball to rotate over an ever changing axis, which means a different part of the ball is in contact with the lane.

That allows the ball to have no oil between the ball and the lane, once the ball has exited the oil pattern.

Since the lane itself has oil on it in the front part of the lane, track flair doesn't keep the oil from between the ball and the lane.

That means track flair doesn't have a significant effect on the length of the skid phase.

Once the ball enters the hook phase, there is a force on the bottom of the ball (due to friction) that is trying to increase the revs of the ball, the RG resists this increase in revs.

The hooking action comes from the Rev Rate, and Axis of Rotation, Axis tilt plays a minor part (high tilt, less significant)

The friction from the lane, increases the Rev Rate, decreases the Axis of Rotation, and changes the path of the ball.

Once the Axis of Rotation is the same as the path of the ball, no more change of direction will occur, and the ball has achieved the roll phase.

The RG doesn't help the ball hook, it just has an effect on the length of the hook phase (higher RG, longer hook phase)

Personally, I use a ball with a U1S cover, (pancake weight black drilled with the CG in the middle of the palm) and an RG of 2.69.

In theory, there is so much about that ball to make it go long, it's a miracle the ball return can change it's direction.

[Amyers]

Storm has an incorrect popup when you point to the word length in the definition of Differential.

In the case of differential, the length being controlled is known as the amount of track flair, such as 1-2", 3-4", 5-6", 6"+

That is not the same length as a distance down the lane.

Wow a Mwhite post that I agree with

[Blomer]

While. Didn't understand all the posts on here, I found it to be entertaining!

[Mike White]

While. Didn't understand all the posts on here, I found it to be entertaining!

If you have questions, don't hesitate to ask.