Kegel link for a good release technique..........

[Hammer]

I had this link up before but thought that maybe some folks didn't see it the first time. It shows how to go from a cupped or cocked position to a uncupped or uncocked position. I use a cupped position in my swing and I used to think that it stayed that way through the release. When I went from a cupped position in the backswing and downswing and uncupped in the release I found that I got better revs and it saved a lot of strain on my wrist. When I started using this technique I got rid of my wrist support. What helped also is for me not to muscle the ball into the downswing. When you muscle the downswing your hand is trying to go forward faster then the ball can keep up with it. Because of this the weight of the ball will break your wrist back too early before the release instead of staying under the equator until you get to the release area.

If you increase the speed of the downswing gradually to the release area it is not hard to stay cupped or cocked to the release area and then just let the weight of the ball uncup or uncock your hand through the release area. Like the instructor in the video says you just set up for the swing cupped or cocked and just let the weight of the ball release those hand positions. You let it happen and not make it happen. It happens so fast that you cannot think about it you just let it happen.

Here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fo29U0iXd8

[NewToBowling]

Those are the modern release. I throw the old school release of coming around the side of the ball. Think handshake movement. I think PDW has this release.

Would love to learn this modern release but happy with old school

[Hammer]

Those are the modern release. I throw the old school release of coming around the side of the ball. Think handshake movement. I think PDW has this release.

Would love to learn this modern release but happy with old school

You can always give it a try sometime during your bowling life. You might like it.

[NewToBowling]

I have tried it free hand without a ball and it is awkward to me. I've been bowling many years thumbless and so used to coming around/under the ball

[dougb]

First time I've seen this video. Thanks for posting it!

[Mgower]

The modern release is just so different from the way I was taught to throw a bowling ball-the old shake hands with the head pin method. I've tried the new way and it just feels like I'm dropping it. I get good revs but absolutely no control on it. I'm still working on it when I practice but the old way seems to suit me better.

[John Anderson]

Anybody else notice that a Brunswick Target Zone is being used for part of the video? Those lanes have to be pretty dry for that to give a nice smooth hook.

[RobLV1]

The problem with sticking with the old style, hand around the side of the ball release, is that it is impossible to project the ball from left to right (for a right hander) when you use it. This is the reason that so many of the posters here complain about having to use very non-aggressive equipment: they don't have a release that will let them move into the oil.

[Mike White]

The problem with sticking with the old style, hand around the side of the ball release, is that it is impossible to project the ball from left to right (for a right hander) when you use it. This is the reason that so many of the posters here complain about having to use very non-aggressive equipment: they don't have a release that will let them move into the oil.

Impossible? Um, no, I do it every time.

[Mike White]

Anybody else notice that a Brunswick Target Zone is being used for part of the video? Those lanes have to be pretty dry for that to give a nice smooth hook.

If his leg wasn't in the way you would see how weak that ball hit.

[fortheloveofbowling]

The problem with sticking with the old style, hand around the side of the ball release, is that it is impossible to project the ball from left to right (for a right hander) when you use it. This is the reason that so many of the posters here complain about having to use very non-aggressive equipment: they don't have a release that will let them move into the oil.

Where do get this type of thinking? Look at a slow motion of weber's release for a reality check. That type release creates more axis tilt and plenty of motion and actually is a bigger asset opening up your angles as the ball clears the fronts easier. On the other comment: a lot of bowlers would have no chance to move inside if they did not have modern release enhancing equipment that makes them look as if they throw it well.

[RobLV1]

Impossible? Um, no, I do it every time.

Sorry, Mike. I've seen you bowl. You drop it. You spin it. You use plastic and urethane because you never get the ball into a roll. If you want to bowl like that, fine. Please let the others who aren't living in the past learn how to use modern equipment.

[RobLV1]

Where do get this type of thinking? Look at a slow motion of weber's release for a reality check. That type release creates more axis tilt and plenty of motion and actually is a bigger asset opening up your angles as the ball clears the fronts easier. On the other comment: a lot of bowlers would have no chance to move inside if they did not have modern release enhancing equipment that makes them look as if they throw it well.

Weber is a really bad example to cite. Weber's release creates what has long been called "voodoo roll." He creates a lot of axis rotation, with little axis tilt down the lane. His ball basically spins to get it down the lane, but once it bites, it is a very end over end roll. If you know anyone else who can release a ball like that, please tell him/her to go out on the tour and become the next greatest bowler of all time.

[Mike White]

Sorry, Mike. I've seen you bowl. You drop it. You spin it. You use plastic and urethane because you never get the ball into a roll. If you want to bowl like that, fine. Please let the others who aren't living in the past learn how to use modern equipment.

Yeah, I bowl horrible, yet somehow manage to out average you by a significant amount, while using old tech equipment.

That doesn't say much for modern equipment, or your knowledge about using it.


You: 1560-51218

Me: 1560-11073

[RobLV1]

Yeah, I bowl horrible, yet somehow manage to out average you by a significant amount, while using old tech equipment.

That doesn't say much for modern equipment, or your knowledge about using it.


You: 1560-51218

Me: 1560-11073

Mike, I never claimed to be a good bowler. The job of a coach is to teach bowlers what THEY need to do, not to bowl like YOU do. Walter Ray will be the first to tell you that he, as a Silver Level Coach, would never teach anyone to bowl like he does. I'd love to see how good you could really be if you'd learn to use modern equipment instead of whining about it's existence. It's not going away, so you might as well learn to take advantage of it.

[NewToBowling]

Hey you two, get a room :)

[fortheloveofbowling]

Weber is a really bad example to cite. Weber's release creates what has long been called "voodoo roll." He creates a lot of axis rotation, with little axis tilt down the lane. His ball basically spins to get it down the lane, but once it bites, it is a very end over end roll. If you know anyone else who can release a ball like that, please tell him/her to go out on the tour and become the next greatest bowler of all time.

You are right, weber was a bad example because he is so unique. The point i was trying to make though and not so eloquently was that playing inside is not limited to 1 type of release as you were eluding to.

[RobLV1]

You are right, weber was a bad example because he is so unique. The point i was trying to make though and not so eloquently was that playing inside is not limited to 1 type of release as you were eluding to.

I never said that playing inside is limited to one kind of release. It is, however, limited to releases that enable bowlers to project the ball from left to right (for right handers). In a great majority of cases, bowlers who use old style, side of the ball releases, try to project the ball by standing left and walking right. This results in an increased tendency to come over the top of the ball the farther left they move. If you are a BTM subscriber, I am currently working on an article on this very subject that should be up in the next month or two.

[fortheloveofbowling]

I never said that playing inside is limited to one kind of release. It is, however, limited to releases that enable bowlers to project the ball from left to right (for right handers). In a great majority of cases, bowlers who use old style, side of the ball releases, try to project the ball by standing left and walking right. This results in an increased tendency to come over the top of the ball the farther left they move. If you are a BTM subscriber, I am currently working on an article on this very subject that should be up in the next month or two.

Playing any angle is not limited to any release or walking pattern. The thing is you have to match up release, speed, equipment, your body positions, etc. There is more than one way to skin a cat as the saying goes. Bowling is not a math equation where there is 1 correct answer. If your coaching approach is to create a math equation then that is wrong. Telling people can't all the time is not effective coaching. Like my mom always said "CAN'T NEVER COULD DO ANYTHING".

[RobLV1]

Playing any angle is not limited to any release or walking pattern. The thing is you have to match up release, speed, equipment, your body positions, etc. There is more than one way to skin a cat as the saying goes. Bowling is not a math equation where there is 1 correct answer. If your coaching approach is to create a math equation then that is wrong. Telling people can't all the time is not effective coaching. Like my mom always said "CAN'T NEVER COULD DO ANYTHING".

I am not trying to create a math equation. That would be stupid! All I'm saying is that modern equipment needs to be projected from left to right, and that I've never seen it done effectively by anyone who walks right with their hand on the side of the ball. Participation in any written forum where bowling styles cannot be seen requires that certain presumptions be made. Those presumptions are based on the experiences and observations of the author. There may be some bowlers out there who walk right and have their hands on the side of the ball and do it effectively. Frankly, I've never seen it, and logic says that if you are walking right, you have to be throwing left, and that gets you over the top of the ball.

And, by the way, I don't tell people they can't all the time. I tell them that they can after they tell me that they can't work the inside of the ball because they've never done it before. It's all a matter of perspective.

[John Anderson]

If his leg wasn't in the way you would see how weak that ball hit.

I noticed the weak hits, but I think it's kind of stupid to use a plastic ball to demonstrate how to use a strike ball.

[Mike White]

I noticed the weak hits, but I think it's kind of stupid to use a plastic ball to demonstrate how to use a strike ball.

Don't confuse the Zone with the T-Zone.

[Aslan]

What are we arguing about??

Who is the best looking dude on the site? Well, I would have voted Iceman because he looks like Santa but has muscles like that old guy that sells the juice machines on QVC...but since Iceman abandoned us to become a professional roller derby girl (rumor #5)...I'm leaning towards Mudpuppy...but he disappeared too...maybe the roller derby thing, not sure. So, I'm gonna have to vote for myself. A drunk, probably blind, girl once told me with my old haircut I look like George Clooney.

I don't though.

Oh wait..."release discussion"...I don't have one of those...I can't even get the footwork and timing down so imagining a day when I have a great release is like imagining a day when I'm an angel and can fly around the heavens playing a golden harp while riding a unicorn.

As to who is better between MikeW and RobM...as a person that has competed against BOTH OF THEM on numerous occasions...

- Well, statistically speaking...Rob is better simply because in head-to-head competition (Aslan vs. Iceman Challenge...available for free on Youtube...click on my USBC# in my signature) he finished 1st and Mike finished 3rd.
- However...Mike is a higher average bowler by probably 10-20 pins on average.
- Mike has a higher "ceiling" in terms of scoring...but his game is often much more affected (good or bad) by lane conditions and approach conditions. Mike still has a good knee bend, but his arm is limited due to past injury. But he's able to produce a massive (~ 420rpm) rev rate with good speed.
- Rob has a lower "ceiling"...but is more consistent, especially house-to-house. Less knee bend, less revs, less speed...but a very adaptable style that allows him to at least be competitive no matter where the competition is held.

But truly comparing the 2....we can't do it. It would create a paradox that could collapse the world upon itself and upset the space/time continuum. How so you ask?

Rob is one of my coaches.... so Rob > Aslan. Aslan is currently 3-2 in heads up competition against MWhite..so Aslan > MWhite. BUT...MWhite has a higher average than Rob so MWhite > Rob. MWhite also has a much higher average than me...and did so on a team we both bowled on...so = conditions...so MWhite > Aslan. You see? Once you get into this viscious circle....you'll never get out.

So the question is...in a head-to-head match...where would you put your money (an awesome poll question by the way...but I don't think either would appreciate it)??

For me...having a LOT more experience bowling with BOTH these guys than anyone else on the site....if not anywhere...because of MWhite needing certain conditions to be as great as he "can" be....my bet is dependent on location. Mikes home center...I'd put $$$ on Mike. Vegas...I'd put money on RobM. But to truly make money on that bet...I'd need to inspect the lanes, see how they are playing and inspect the approaches. As we learned at the 2nd Annual Billy Hardwick Memorial Aslan vs. ZDawg Southern California Invitational...which Aslan won...also good video of that event on Youtube...click my USBC number...if the approach is the least bit 'tacky'...Rob wins. But if Mike can slide...and the lanes fit his style...Mike probably wins and could win by a significant amount.

I feel like Mike Jacubowski or Randy Pederson....I got MAD commentary skills!!!

[rv driver]

What are we arguing about??

Who is the best looking dude on the site? Well, I would have voted Iceman because he looks like Santa but has muscles like that old guy that sells the juice machines on QVC...but since Iceman abandoned us to become a professional roller derby girl (rumor #5)...I'm leaning towards Mudpuppy...but he disappeared too...maybe the roller derby thing, not sure. So, I'm gonna have to vote for myself. A drunk, probably blind, girl once told me with my old haircut I look like George Clooney.

I don't though.

Oh wait..."release discussion"...I don't have one of those...I can't even get the footwork and timing down so imagining a day when I have a great release is like imagining a day when I'm an angel and can fly around the heavens playing a golden harp while riding a unicorn.

As to who is better between MikeW and RobM...as a person that has competed against BOTH OF THEM on numerous occasions...

- Well, statistically speaking...Rob is better simply because in head-to-head competition (Aslan vs. Iceman Challenge...available for free on Youtube...click on my USBC# in my signature) he finished 1st and Mike finished 3rd.
- However...Mike is a higher average bowler by probably 10-20 pins on average.
- Mike has a higher "ceiling" in terms of scoring...but his game is often much more affected (good or bad) by lane conditions and approach conditions. Mike still has a good knee bend, but his arm is limited due to past injury. But he's able to produce a massive (~ 420rpm) rev rate with good speed.
- Rob has a lower "ceiling"...but is more consistent, especially house-to-house. Less knee bend, less revs, less speed...but a very adaptable style that allows him to at least be competitive no matter where the competition is held.

But truly comparing the 2....we can't do it. It would create a paradox that could collapse the world upon itself and upset the space/time continuum. How so you ask?

Rob is one of my coaches.... so Rob > Aslan. Aslan is currently 3-2 in heads up competition against MWhite..so Aslan > MWhite. BUT...MWhite has a higher average than Rob so MWhite > Rob. MWhite also has a much higher average than me...and did so on a team we both bowled on...so = conditions...so MWhite > Aslan. You see? Once you get into this viscious circle....you'll never get out.

So the question is...in a head-to-head match...where would you put your money (an awesome poll question by the way...but I don't think either would appreciate it)??

For me...having a LOT more experience bowling with BOTH these guys than anyone else on the site....if not anywhere...because of MWhite needing certain conditions to be as great as he "can" be....my bet is dependent on location. Mikes home center...I'd put $$$ on Mike. Vegas...I'd put money on RobM. But to truly make money on that bet...I'd need to inspect the lanes, see how they are playing and inspect the approaches. As we learned at the 2nd Annual Billy Hardwick Memorial Aslan vs. ZDawg Southern California Invitational...which Aslan won...also good video of that event on Youtube...click my USBC number...if the approach is the least bit 'tacky'...Rob wins. But if Mike can slide...and the lanes fit his style...Mike probably wins and could win by a significant amount.

I feel like Mike Jacubowski or Randy Pederson....I got MAD commentary skills!!!
I thought Iceman was the best? Doesn't that fix the whole time/space continuum thing?

[Aslan]

I thought Iceman was the best? Doesn't that fix the whole time/space continuum thing?

Iceman is only effective in the State of Missouri.

[Mike White]

Iceman is only effective in the State of Missouri.

Yet while being ineffective, he crushed you in Vegas.

Yes, you beat him in the doubles competition, but you needed help :)

[rv driver]

Iceman is only effective in the State of Missouri.
Or is he only affective in the State of Missouri?