What do you think should have happened?

[classygranny]

Last Monday we arrive at the alley to discover that we are bowling the same team on the same lanes as we did the last week we bowled prior to the holiday, instead of the team noted on the schedule. The handicaps were all based on the "old" averages, so they requested we all update the handicaps on each person to reflect the new averages. The explanation was that the person inputting the data into the system was out until Wednesday so we had to bowl as they had them situated on the monitors. They cut apart all of the recap sheets and everyone kept score for their team.

I believe we/they should have manually entered the names on the lanes according to the schedule instead of us bowling the same team/same lane. This seems like it would have overrode what was not updated in the software system and all would have been accurate. I think the secretary was being lazy and not wanting to put forth the effort to get the corrections made.

What do you believe should have happened? Do you think we were bound to bowl according to what the monitors showed due to a software limitation/personnel off duty? What would you have done? Is there anything to be done after the fact?

[bowl1820]

Since the error was discovered before you bowled, I think if you had the proper lane assignments from the schedule. The teams could have just went to the proper lanes and manually entered. Then afterwards whoever could have just updated and corrected the software.

Since you didn't do that and bowled as is, then this from the USBC rules seems to fit the situation:

Commonly Asked Questions – Rule 120.
120/1 If teams bowl against the wrong opponents during the position round or regular
schedule, can the games be bowled over, or can the scores be compared with the proper
opponents?
USBC holds the games stand as bowled and are entered in the record for games won or
lost as well as for individual averages. The league continues with the regular schedule after
discovering the error. Comparing scores with the proper opponents changes the competitive
circumstances under which the match was bowled.

[Mike White]

Last Monday we arrive at the alley to discover that we are bowling the same team on the same lanes as we did the last week we bowled prior to the holiday, instead of the team noted on the schedule. The handicaps were all based on the "old" averages, so they requested we all update the handicaps on each person to reflect the new averages. The explanation was that the person inputting the data into the system was out until Wednesday so we had to bowl as they had them situated on the monitors. They cut apart all of the recap sheets and everyone kept score for their team.

I believe we/they should have manually entered the names on the lanes according to the schedule instead of us bowling the same team/same lane. This seems like it would have overrode what was not updated in the software system and all would have been accurate. I think the secretary was being lazy and not wanting to put forth the effort to get the corrections made.

What do you believe should have happened? Do you think we were bound to bowl according to what the monitors showed due to a software limitation/personnel off duty? What would you have done? Is there anything to be done after the fact?

Rule 100m5

5. After the league schedule begins, a change in the league rules, schedule and prize list can only be made with the written consent of every team captain or designated representative.


It sounds like the league had all of the information required to run the week schedule properly.

Unless they called a meeting and EVERY team captain voted to take the "lazy" way out, you should have bowled based on the proper schedule for that week.

As for scoring, the center should have plenty of blank recap sheets to allow you the write in the names, averages, handicap, and scores.

Each team could enter their lineup into the computer.

Has it really been that long since we used pencil and paper, that people couldn't figure it out?

[fordman1]

Since the error was discovered before you bowled, I think if you had the proper lane assignments from the schedule. The teams could have just went to the proper lanes and manually entered. Then afterwards whoever could have just updated and corrected the software.

Since you didn't do that and bowled as is, then this from the USBC rules seems to fit the situation:

Commonly Asked Questions – Rule 120.
120/1 If teams bowl against the wrong opponents during the position round or regular
schedule, can the games be bowled over, or can the scores be compared with the proper
opponents?
USBC holds the games stand as bowled and are entered in the record for games won or
lost as well as for individual averages. The league continues with the regular schedule after
discovering the error. Comparing scores with the proper opponents changes the competitive
circumstances under which the match was bowled.

This is the correct answer. Also the league needs a new President and Secretary.

[Mike White]

This is the correct answer. Also the league needs a new President and Secretary.

Rule 120 - Position Matches
A rule may be adopted to include position matches in the schedule subject to the following:
a. Teams shall be paired according to its league position standings and games bowled count as won and lost.
b. Ties for position pairings shall be determined as follows, unless otherwise provided by league rule:
1. Scratch leagues: By total scratch pinfall.
2. Handicap leagues: By total pinfall with handicap.


Rule 120 most likely doesn't apply to this situation.

The topic question is what SHOULD have happened, not what should be done after bowling.

What you read in "Commonly Asked Questions" is not a rule.

[bowl1820]

Rule 100m5

5. After the league schedule begins, a change in the league rules, schedule and prize list can only be made with the written consent of every team captain or designated representative.


What you quoted there is from the managed league section of rule 100 (You have a Typo because there is no Rule 100m5,)

Rule 100 – Leagues, 100j. Managed
5. After the league schedule begins, a change in the league rules, schedule and prize list can only be
made with the written consent of every team captain or designated representative.

Since this wasn't a Managed league it wouldn't apply.


The closest other rule like that one would be::

Rule 122 - Meetings
League meetings are conducted under the following requirements:
a. The secretary shall notify the members or team captains of all league meetings.
b. To conduct business, a quorum must be in attendance. In youth leagues, the league supervisor or
official must also be in attendance.
c. Absentee and proxy votes are not acceptable. Only members present are eligible to vote.

Rules shall be adopted at a meeting prior to the start of the league schedule by the board of directors,
unless the league elects to have its rules adopted by the membership. After the league schedule
begins, a change in the league rules and approved prize list can be made only with the written consent
of every team captain or designated representative.

I don't believe this pertains though either,

Because they were not trying to change the schedule, they were trying to deal with a system created error. Also under Rule 122 it doesn't state you need a vote to change the schedule, just that you need a vote to change the Rules or prizelist which they weren't doing.

as for Rule 120 not applying and the "Commonly Asked Questions" not being a rule.

While Rule 120 itself doesn't apply, The CAQ for that rule doe's address what should be done the O.P.'s situation.

Which was that since they wound up bowling against the wrong opponents during a regular schedule match. Those matches would have to stand as bowled and entered in the record for games won or lost as well as for individual averages.

[Tony]

It would seem the proper thing to do when it happened would have been to clear the screens and manually put in names and handicaps to bowl the correct teams for the week, it's not really that hard to do

If something else was to be done they should have had a meeting of the captains and voted on it.

Now that it's done you could just do nothing or look forward on the schedule for the next time that exact set of match-ups is repeated and vote to bowl the missed match up
set on that week. As long as the captains agree it should be in compliance with the rules to do that.

[classygranny]

Thanks for the opinions. Not sure why the screens weren't corrected, but we bowled a super nice team and split points so will probably just leave well enough alone. It's seems harder and harder to find leagues, alleys, and league officers that want to do the right thing.

[taxexpert2]

Hmmm. For leagues in most houses I have bowled in recently it is not possible for the bowlers themselves to make changes in the line up - it has to be done at the desk. I do not know why, but that has been one drawback to the automatic score keeping (among others). So the fact that their regular person was out would have a direct bearing on this. But why would they have only one person who knows how to do the line ups?

[bowl1820]

Hmmm. For leagues in most houses I have bowled in recently it is not possible for the bowlers themselves to make changes in the line up - it has to be done at the desk. I do not know why, but that has been one drawback to the automatic score keeping (among others). So the fact that their regular person was out would have a direct bearing on this. But why would they have only one person who knows how to do the line ups?

In regard to changing line ups (meaning the order the players bowl in), unless the system the house uses is really old.

Bowlers usually can easily change line ups at the consoles on most modern systems. As well as change handicaps, blinds, add/remove players, display graphics.

Now these usually are not permanent changes to the system, permanent ones would have to be done by whoever is running the software.

For what happened to the O.P. that should have been a easy fix for the house, Unless it a small operation and they actually only have one person that knows how to run it.

It's happened here a couple times, Most of all the counter people here can do it. They just hit a few buttons on the desk console and bring up the proper lane pairings for that week.

[fordman1]

Tax how old is your scorers? We have been able to change names since the late 80's. They could have turned of the league and used paper .