How many 2 handers or 1 handed thumbless guys in your leagues

[NewToBowling]

In my two leagues I have participated in so far there has only been one 2 hander and a couple cranker thumbless guys. Surprised not to see more 2 handers though since it is the flavor of the month (or year).

I for one am all for doing whatever you need to do to get strikes. Heck, I might dabble in 2 handed sometime in the near future so I can at least bowl if I don't have my ball with me.

[mc_runner]

In my men's league, a few thumbless but no 2 handers. In my mixed league there are no thumbless and two 2 handers - but both have a pretty unconventional 2 handed release in that they don't have much in terms of revs

[jab5325]

There are no two handers across any league at the place where I primarily bowl.

However, we do have a few thumbless guys who cannot control the ball as the lanes break down. They typically start out with a game of 215 plus, and go down with each consecutive game.

That said, there was an outlier a couple of weeks ago. A guy on my team, thumbless and doesn't even know how many boards are on the lane, threw a 725 series with a 279 game. He had never bowled more than 225 for a single game, or had ever gotten a 600 previously. His game and series are good enough for second best in our league all season.

[Amyers]

I bowl with some of both I only know of a couple of two handers who I consider talented that are dangerous regardless of condition but they do exist. I really only know of one thumbless bowler who I consider to be above average. Generally the younger the league is the more two handers and thumbless bowler you will see.

[got_a_300]

We have one thumbless bowler that is quite good and then
we have a two hander that I like to call the spray can man
because he can never hit the same mark twice he just sprays
the ball out onto the lane and hopes for the best.

[AlexNC]

Just one two hander, however there are several thumbless - only a couple that are any good. The others seem to just want to spin the crap out of the ball because it looks impressive in their mind.

[white_rabbitt]

No 2 handers in any league I've been in, so far. I do see a few practicing at the center, on occasion though. They look to be pretty good.
I have bowled in leagues w/ more than 1 thumbless too. Most have no real control and struggle with spare shooting but every once in awhile they will get in the zone and shoot some high scores.

[vdubtx]

Just 1 2 hander in my leagues, young punk kid who thinks everything should fall down for him. Stomps and flips the bird at the 10 pin when he leaves it standing.

Do have a couple high rev thumbless bowlers. As someone else mentioned. They get a good game every once in awhile, but can't keep up with transition.

[JasonNJ]

No two handers or thumbless bowlers in my Weds Night league, I have seen a two hander practicing at my center. Nice enough kid but not very good. His ball speed is too slow for a 2 handed style, if I would guess he's throwing it about 13-14mph and he can't control the hook.

[billf]

Our center has 3 1/2 two-handers. Two are pretty good with one of them being a total head case. Worst mental game of any 230+ bowler I've ever seen. The third is a brother to the second.They started in high school because they couldn't generate any revs. Now this third one has revs but still no speed. The last one, the 1/2, is me. I only do one league two-handed.
I will never bowl exclusively with one style or one hand. I feel this gives me a better understanding of what each style is battling against first hand.

In youth leagues: 1 left-handed two hander in high school another that is 10 years old. Also have another two around the same age that are right-handed two handers.

I forgot, we have a female, two-hander that throws a back up ball. To say her form and ball look horrible is an understatement. Makes me want to vomit every Wednesday evening having to watch while working.

[bubba809]

Just 1 2 hander in my leagues, young punk kid who thinks everything should fall down for him.

You are now starting to show your age vdub.

[fordman1]

Are there any women bowlers who use 2 hands? Never seen one. As for Males using 2 hands, once they hit puberty they should only use one hand.

[billf]

Are there any women bowlers who use 2 hands? Never seen one.


If you would actually read the posts you would have an answer

[Amyers]

I guess I'm in the minority. I bowl on a team with a two hander who in my opinion if he got some quality work in with a gold level coach could bowl on the tour. Not your typical two hander has good but not excessive speed actually roles a full roller style which make his layouts interesting. Does a good job keeping the ball in front of him. Bowls well even on sport shots.

I also have bowled with the current state record holder (898) who is a two hander but he's more of a house hack he's unbeatable on his house shot but anywhere else he's good but human when I've seen him on sport shots he's not that great.

The best thumbless bowler in the area is not your typical thumbless high rev guy he has speed. Usually trips the speed indicator at about 19 mph. On house conditions he's rough to bowl against but on longer patterns he can't make the ball turn and struggles I've beaten him on Paris and Shark patterns pretty handily.

I don't really care what style anyone bowls with but the guys that think they're all that and can't even roll on a challenge shot I don't have much for weather two handed, thumbless, or power guy.

[NewToBowling]

Are there any women bowlers who use 2 hands? Never seen one. As for Males using 2 hands, once they hit puberty they should only use one hand.

Ooh, hit the sore spot. Someones jaded

[bowl1820]

I've seen a few thumbless bowlers here throughout the years and only a couple of two handers.

We have one on the league I'm on now, if he could control it better he'd do a lot better. As is he is inconsistent with it and sprays the ball around some.

[Tony]

I have seen a few more thumb-less, used to have one on my team. He got some excellent scores but had a lot of trouble if the lanes were dry, overall he was pretty inconsistent.

We have one 2 hand bowler in the leagues I'm in, he is a young guy, looks 14 but I think he is about 20. He has a 140 to 150 average if I recall correctly, he just took over for another guy who got injured so I haven't bowled against him yet.

[vdubtx]

You are now starting to show your age vdub.

Maybe. :cool:

I don't mind 2 handed bowlers, have nothing against them. I love watching them and the reaction their ball can have with so many revs. Anthony Simonsen is a local 2 handed bowler who is making a name for himself recently in the Pro ranks. Enjoy watching him succeed.

The young punk comment can go to any bowler who doesn't get his way with the pins. Heck, a 50+ bowler in my league that we bowled against couldn't believe he bowled a 150 with his supposed "carry" when he was spraying the ball all over the lane and flipping birds at 10 pin that stayed standing on him.

[ep1977]

No 2 handers and 1 thumbless.

[Aslan]

Oh my goodness.

On Mondays, older league, not as serious....probably 3-7 thumbless bowlers...no 2-handers.

On Wednesdays, older league, more serious....probably 3-9 thumbless bowlers...no 2-handers.

I think the thumbless bowling is a "crutch". It's what you see when you go to open bowling. It's really hard to develop a good bowling release (welcome to my World) and you can "cheat"...and just take your thumb out and kinda half "palm it". If you can do it consistently...it's a very high scoring technique...carries very well. The downside is spare shooting is almost always hit or miss at best. And the pattern can really screw you up. I bowled against some thumbless/palm bowlers and they'd have like one GREAT game...then not so much....then one horrible game. It's a style that needs a lot of oil in the middle and significant bounce room at the breakpoint. Shorter patterns, drier conditions...you can run out of room very, very quickly.

2-handers....same kinda thing. Everyone thinks it's unique...it's just a variation on palm bowling or thumbless bowling. I think you'll see more of this in youth tournaments. Whenever I've faced a 2-hander it's been in some type of tournament where youth bowlers are present. I bowled against one Sunday. Different divisions obviously (Men/Boys). And I think there's a lot more of them at the youth level right now. The question is whether it's a form that these kids can do, at a high level, without significant risk of energy....or whether it's actually harder and Belmo is just a freak of nature...and to survive 10 years of 2-handed bowling without a back injury.

All of us sometimes daydream about going to a style that'll help us get that snap on the backend...and we've all probably tried thumbless/2-handed in practice...but I'm still hoping to get my one-handed standard, traditional form improved to the point I have a good delivery. I'm not convinced 1-handed bowling is dead. When you watch a guy like Mike Fagan throw a ball or Dick Allen or Sean Rash...that's all the revs and backend motion you need. In my opinon.

[Aslan]

Just 1 2 hander in my leagues, young punk kid who thinks everything should fall down for him. Stomps and flips the bird at the 10 pin when he leaves it standing.

VDub isn't alone on this one. I don't know why, maybe I'm just subconsciously looking for it, but both times I bowled against 2-handed bowlers in two different tournaments...they were the WORST at this.

There seems to be some misconception that if you throw 2-handed...you're automatically Belmo. And when things don't fall...it's this 'attitude' that it's the fault of 'something'....definitely not them...because if you use 2 hands...they are all SUPPOSED to fall.

And the whole idea is foreign to me...because I'm the opposite. I might hit flush perfectly in the pocket and leave a 10-pin or something and everybody will say I got robbed or maybe it was a pin spot or something...and I don't even consider all that. I'm 100% sure...every bad shot...is a shot I couldn't thrown better and made it strike. I don't like excuses or luck or any other nonsense. If you know the pattern dynamics, have a basic understanding of Physics, and a basic understanding of bowling ball technology...you should be able to strike on any pattern...as long as the pattern is applied consistently. If you didn't strike...YOU did something wrong. You may have only done something a 'smidge' wrong...but so what? Do it a smidge better next time.

If I have to hear one more bowler claim "they got robbed" when hit Brooklyn and leave a flat 10-pin...I'm gonna lose my lunch. Even non-Brooklyn...if you see the ball exit right of center...over and over and over...and they just happen to strike...then you leave a 10-pin....that's NOT LUCK....that's someone that has a low understanding of ball motion and how a ball should exit the pin deck...then they leave an 8-pin and have a giant cluster-fit as if they're Randy Pederson or something. It makes me fantasize that on their next shot...their hand gets stuck...and it carries them completely down the lane into the pin deck where they can lay there and realize the 8-pin is exactly where it was supposed to be. :mad:

I'm getting Grumpy in my old age. :confused:

[BrianG]

I have a younger guy in my monday night league that bowls thumbless. He can shoot some nice games when he is stringing them together but he can't pick up a spare to save his life and usually throws a gutter ball a game. There is another kid that used to bowl in my league that is thumbless. Now he bowls in a starter league averaging 202 and has told multiple people that he is semi-pro which makes me shake my head. I have tried to bowl him for money multiple times but he won't do it.

[foreverincamo]

We have a couple, but they are no Jason Belmonte clones. The one spends more time throwing first ball gutter shots than anyone else I know. Don't think either averages over 170.

[NewToBowling]

I have a younger guy in my monday night league that bowls thumbless. He can shoot some nice games when he is stringing them together but he can't pick up a spare to save his life and usually throws a gutter ball a game. There is another kid that used to bowl in my league that is thumbless. Now he bowls in a starter league averaging 202 and has told multiple people that he is semi-pro which makes me shake my head. I have tried to bowl him for money multiple times but he won't do it.

Seeing yours league scores I wouldn't bowl you either

[fordman1]

Two leagues no two handers each has 1 or 2 two handers. They have little or no effect on scoring. Never win pots and aren't that good. They can throw some awesome strikes but leave a lot of ugly splits and washouts. Throwing 8 strikes a game and averaging 180-190 is useless.

[LyalC52]

I know three 2 handers and a few no thumb guys
None bowl in the sport leagues
So far they've all been hit or miss bowlers, great game followed up by a low one
The 2 hander that bowls on my Thurs mixed seems to be making the most progress as he takes spare shooting more serious and is focused on shot repeatably more than the others do.
I honestly think for the rest its about looking cool more than building towards a high average.

[SAbowler]

I can't think of any two handers in my leagues. There are a few no thumb guys, but none of them are really that good. One league that I bowl in has a couple of back-up bowlers, one of which is one of the best bowlers in San Antonio.

[Jekyll & Hyde]

i know i am the only one handed no thumber bowling in the both of the leagues that i am on

[Aslan]

One league that I bowl in has a couple of back-up bowlers, one of which is one of the best bowlers in San Antonio.

Yeah. I have one male back-up bowler in my Wednesday league and he averages in the low 190s. It's not a very powerful shot, but he's consistent as anyone.

[SAbowler]

Yeah. I have one male back-up bowler in my Wednesday league and he averages in the low 190s. It's not a very powerful shot, but he's consistent as anyone.

190 is decent, but I'm talking around a 230 average. He is SUPER consistent.