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LyalC52
03-10-2016, 03:24 PM
my Thursday league team is me and my 3 daughter
one daughter needs to prebowl in a few weeks, and the rest of us plan to bowl league night
can one or more of us bowl with the prebowler (I guess pacers)?
this league doesn't have any written rules, just uses the USBC rules and verbal for the basics
vdubtx
03-10-2016, 03:29 PM
Typically 1 person pre-bowling is not allowed unless your league rules state it is allowed. Suggest speaking with your league secretary about it.
Rule 111 – Pre-bowl/Postponements
111a. Types
Types of pre-bowls and postponements:
1. Bowling in direct opposition.
2. Team unopposed bowling: Permitted, unless the league adopts a rule prohibiting
this type of competition.
3. Individual unopposed bowling:
a. Adult leagues: Prohibited, unless the league rules state otherwise.
b. Youth Leagues: Permitted, unless the league rules state otherwise.
NOTE: Unopposed is bowling without your scheduled team.
LyalC52
03-10-2016, 03:40 PM
yes, our league allows 1 person prebowling
again, no written rules, good group of people that are not overly competitive
occasionally, we've had entire teams prebowl where members have prebowled at different times
I really doubt anyone would question, care or even know if we paced
but, I'd rather not be in violation of any USBC rule
NewToBowling
03-10-2016, 03:52 PM
In our league anyone on the team can pre-bowl. Only the whole team can post-bowl, no individuals.
fordman1
03-10-2016, 03:57 PM
If the league has no rules what does it matter. A pacer is just some person who is bowling and their score doesn't count.
Might be important to tell us the ages of your daughter. Is she 9 or 29? Kids have very lax rules.
LyalC52
03-10-2016, 04:24 PM
she is 17, but this is an adult league
she has an adult USBC card
again I doubt anyone in the league would care, I just don't want to violate any USBC rule
I can't seem to find anything that says yea or nea
NewToBowling
03-10-2016, 04:41 PM
It's very local. The only one with the real answer would be your League Secretary
Jekyll & Hyde
03-14-2016, 05:32 AM
the bowling center might have you pay for the games possible for the pacers that are going to be bowling if they really wanted to. i know at my local one depending who is on when i prebowl the will charge the person for 3 games
Blomer
03-26-2016, 07:47 PM
If an entire team pre bowls, should the other team be able to see there scores so they know what they need to beat? Or should it be hidden till the end of each game? With that said, if a team post-bowls, should they be able to see the other teams scores or wait as they were obviously unable to see there scores?
bowl1820
03-26-2016, 08:12 PM
If an entire team pre bowls, should the other team be able to see there scores so they know what they need to beat? Or should it be hidden till the end of each game? With that said, if a team post-bowls, should they be able to see the other teams scores or wait as they were obviously unable to see there scores?
Typically you don't see the scores because it can lead to sandbagging.
As far as the usbc there is no rule against seeing the scores, it's up to the league to set the rule.
Most leagues I've seen didn't let you see them, though now with the automatic scoring the monitors show the frame by frame scoring as you bowl during league.
from the FAQs
111e/3 When teams pre-bowl or post-bowl unopposed, can the opposing team see the scores
bowled by the team bowling first?
There is no USBC rule to prevent the opposing team from seeing the scores. When a league
allows teams to bowl unopposed, rules can be adopted to govern this situation.
RobLV1
03-26-2016, 08:25 PM
It seems like most handicap leagues will let you see the score of each game, after you have completed the game. More and more leagues are allowing teams to see pre bowled scores before they bowl in an effort to discourage pre-bowling. Oftentimes in scratch leagues, teams are allowed to see scores before they bowl for this very same reason.
Mike White
03-26-2016, 08:41 PM
Typically you don't see the scores because it can lead to sandbagging.
As far as the usbc there is no rule against seeing the scores, it's up to the league to set the rule.
Most leagues I've seen didn't let you see them, though now with the automatic scoring the monitors show the frame by frame scoring as you bowl during league.
from the FAQs
On Monday I'm set to sub for a team that is post-bowling.
The center recently upgraded the scoring computers.
I know one person on the team our scores will be used against, against recently shot 800, but I'm not sure if it was the same week we're making up for.
Would be interesting to see his score appear frame by frame.
bowl1820
03-26-2016, 09:06 PM
On Monday I'm set to sub for a team that is post-bowling.
The center recently upgraded the scoring computers.
I know one person on the team our scores will be used against, against recently shot 800, but I'm not sure if it was the same week we're making up for.
Would be interesting to see his score appear frame by frame.
It should as long as they have the scores entered into the system.
When they put the names up on the monitors here, it says pre-bowled next to the players names. then when you start bowling the scores for that frame start to show.
In one of the leagues I'm in they put the scores on the recap sheet so we can see all the scores before we ever throw a ball.
NewToBowling
03-27-2016, 09:32 AM
I'm pretty sure there will be a lot of pre bowls tonight as we bowl on Easter
I'm pretty sure there will be a lot of pre bowls tonight as we bowl on Easter
I would have thought leagues were off on Easter and they had open bowling.
fordman1
03-27-2016, 04:48 PM
What kind of league would bowl on Easter Sunday? Why? Do they bowl on Christmas eve too? How about Thanksgiving?
NewToBowling
03-27-2016, 07:27 PM
I would have thought leagues were off on Easter and they had open bowling.
We voted to play on Easter. No biggie to me honestly
NewToBowling
03-27-2016, 07:29 PM
What kind of league would bowl on Easter Sunday? Why? Do they bowl on Christmas eve too? How about Thanksgiving?
Is there something sacrilegious about bowling on Easter?
fordman1
03-27-2016, 10:26 PM
Might be nice to spend a holiday with family.
NewToBowling
03-27-2016, 11:03 PM
Might be nice to spend a holiday with family.
It is. Wife bowls with me :)
Bowling is one of the activities we do together as a married couple along with many other things. I don't bowl to get rich or become a PBA pro. I do it because it's something we can do together. Personally it has brought us closer.
By the way league bowling only takes up 3 hours. We had the whole weekend to do many activities together as well. Hiking, fishing, going to the gym.
Anything else?
We voted to play on Easter. No biggie to me honestly
I could see a vote to bowl on Easter winning in one of my leagues. As you indicated there's the ability to pre-bowl if you prefer not to bowl.
NewToBowling
03-28-2016, 09:59 AM
I could see a vote to bowl on Easter winning in one of my leagues. As you indicated there's the ability to pre-bowl if you prefer not to bowl.
They gave people the option to pre or post bowl.
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