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got_a_300

06-22-2016, 09:22 PM

Help: Bowlers

The results of the game should be determined by your physical abilities, not your purchasing power.

Hurt: Ball Manufactures - Pro Shops

Obvious reasons.

I agree 100% with Mike White, it wouldn't hurt me in the least bit to have to use
only one ball. The first 5 weeks of summer league I've only been using my Storm
ReignOn that I won on here a year or two ago as my first ball and as my spare ball
also.

I decided to just flatten it out at all of my spares and I'm even making 10 pins with
it now as my old plastic T-Zone spare ball decided to crack so I just junked it.

Stormed1

06-22-2016, 10:47 PM

Who will it help --- Those who want to get better because they will have to work on their game to get better. It could also help coaches get more clients who now have to learn to bowl vs just going out and buying hook in a box

Who will it hurt--- Those who carry a high average because of easy shots and hook in a box. And as mentioned above manufacturers and pro shops

classygranny

06-22-2016, 10:55 PM

What would happen if all leagues allowed only one ball? Who would it help or hurt the most?

Need a bit of clarification...one ball for the whole night? or one ball for the entire league season. If it was for the night, I don't see ball manufactures-pro shops being hurt much. It would better the bowlers as we would have to pick a ball for the night and make it work. But you could always try a different ball the next week, so some bowlers would still want an arsenal and then some. For the entire league, probably wouldn't get many takers as we all seem to be ball hoarders and people get bored too easily nowadays.

RobLV1

06-22-2016, 10:58 PM

NewToBowling

06-23-2016, 12:11 AM

It would hurt the sport and PBA as ball manufacturers are the financial lifeblood for the sport now.

Hot_pocket

06-23-2016, 12:12 AM

Wouldn't that mean house shots only? Didn't the multiple balls cause the change in pattern?

Amyers

06-23-2016, 10:18 AM

It would help the bowlers with the right one ball, and hurt the bowlers with the wrong one ball. This is a great thread for anyone who wants to go back to 1985. For anyone who is really involved in modern bowling, it is a ridiculous question.

Rob nailed it. Not every ball is the right ball even if your standing in the right spot and have the right line. I will agree that a lot of bowlers take to much advantage of modern balls to try and stay in favorite spot rather than playing what the lane is giving but if you've ever bowled a high end men's league with 5 man teams and see the way a pattern gets destroyed after 2 games your going to run out of room quick unless your speed dominate if you are playing any type of aggressive ball regardless of how far you can move.

Amyers

06-23-2016, 10:20 AM

Wouldn't that mean house shots only? Didn't the multiple balls cause the change in pattern?

There were different oil patterns long before the modern arsenal of bowling balls and the invention of the modern house and sport shot. I will say that the heavy volume longer length sport shots are in response to modern stronger bowling balls though.

Tampabaybob

06-23-2016, 11:54 AM

I vote to go back to Mahattan Rubber balls, and outlaw all resin balls. Many of the 200 average bowlers would probably quit bowling after their first game !! LOL

NewToBowling

06-23-2016, 11:58 AM

I vote to go back to Mahattan Rubber balls, and outlaw all resin balls. Many of the 200 average bowlers would probably quit bowling after their first game !! LOL

And what would that accomplish. Only alienating more bowlers. So instead of 10 centers closing down a year now 100 will close. Sorry, pandora's box has been opened and you can't close it anymore. Live with current technology and learn to embrace it.

Amyers

06-23-2016, 12:15 PM

And what would that accomplish. Only alienating more bowlers. So instead of 10 centers closing down a year now 100 will close. Sorry, pandora's box has been opened and you can't close it anymore. Live with current technology and learn to embrace it.

This is very true we can't move backwards. I'm running a sport shot league/pot games this summer. Can't bowl right now due to a knee injury so figured I might as well do something. Basically just a three game qualifier with two one game cuts for a champion. Started last week I've begged people to come posted it out on Facebook like crazy I got 11 bowlers the first week, this week I had 14. I was really upset about the turnout the owner came over and profusely thanked me for getting this started. I was like what this isn't good, told me he had been trying to get something started for this for three years and the best turnout he had was 4 bowlers. lol I guess if the bar is set low enough anything can be a success. A lot of the guys who came last week said they were going to bring someone else with them next week so maybe it'll keep growing.

LOUVIT

06-23-2016, 12:49 PM

I vote to go back to Mahattan Rubber balls, and outlaw all resin balls. Many of the 200 average bowlers would probably quit bowling after their first game !! LOL

in the 70's and 80's I had the Manhattan rubber the AMF 3 dot then a plastic Bonanza...Not all at once. My first ball early 70's when I was like 15 was a Gyro. I averaged 190 back in the day and aiming at shooting 200 now with this new equipment. I think it's an age thing, if you were around for rubber and plastic on wood then you can appreciate you doing the work not the ball. I think a 1 ball league would be a interesting concept for an optional league, not an overall rule. It would make an interesting tornament also

Amyers

06-23-2016, 01:17 PM

in the 70's and 80's I had the Manhattan rubber the AMF 3 dot then a plastic Bonanza...Not all at once. My first ball early 70's when I was like 15 was a Gyro. I averaged 190 back in the day and aiming at shooting 200 now with this new equipment. I think it's an age thing, if you were around for rubber and plastic on wood then you can appreciate you doing the work not the ball. I think a 1 ball league would be a interesting concept for an optional league, not an overall rule. It would make an interesting tornament also

I have seen tournaments where you have the choice between buying a few different balls at the start and whichever ball you purchase is the only one you are allowed to use. Not sure if a spare ball is permissible in those tournaments or not.

LOUVIT

06-23-2016, 01:25 PM

I have seen tournaments where you have the choice between buying a few different balls at the start and whichever ball you purchase is the only one you are allowed to use. Not sure if a spare ball is permissible in those tournaments or not.

wow so you have to buy the ball right there and never throw it before the tournaments? that's tricky if that's the case

Amyers

06-23-2016, 01:29 PM

wow so you have to buy the ball right there and never throw it before the tournaments? that's tricky if that's the case

That's my understanding I've never tried it but I think Bloomer that posts on here has. I believe that they have one in Lexington about 1 hour 30 minutes from me but I try not to travel that far to just lose money lol.

LOUVIT

06-23-2016, 06:25 PM

That's my understanding I've never tried it but I think Bloomer that posts on here has. I believe that they have one in Lexington about 1 hour 30 minutes from me but I try not to travel that far to just lose money lol.

pro shop must love it , everyone has to buy a ball...bahahahahahaha

Blomer

06-26-2016, 09:23 AM

People would smuggle in multiple balls of the same ball with different layout.

jimgilmore

06-26-2016, 02:12 PM

all they need to do is make balls with chips in them like your dog is chipped. Then every ball would have an ID.

Mike White

06-26-2016, 03:07 PM

all they need to do is make balls with chips in them like your dog is chipped. Then every ball would have an ID.

Having a chip in the ball is only good if you also have a reader.

Balls have a serial number on them, and most people have eyes.

LOUVIT

06-26-2016, 07:44 PM

People would smuggle in multiple balls of the same ball with different layout.

that sounds like an easy fix, just have the torny people mark the ball somehow or don't allow balls in the house if you have to buy one there anyway

Jessiewoodard57

06-27-2016, 10:01 AM

I would just go to my benchmark ball , my 2fast. When all else goes sour on me out comes my 2 fast. For an old storm ball it performs well across all oil conditions and as long as I come out of the back of the ball 10 pins are easily makeable.

billf

06-27-2016, 04:42 PM

Each night....I already do that most of the time
Each league. That would be interesting but not to the masses and to grow the sport the masses have to be appealed to.

bigbaby987

07-05-2016, 11:01 PM

I'm ultra comfortable with just one ball. That's really all I use. I feel stoopid dragging in a 4/6 ball bag every week for just one ball. LOL. My Thug Life is so versatile. I don't need a spare ball or any of that.

Jessiewoodard57

07-06-2016, 08:04 AM

I usually bring a 4 ball bag and a spare ball with me. Many is the time the ball I needed is an hour away in my living room. Last night we decided to go practice a bit. The lanes were so burned up I bowled the last few games with a ball that rarely sees the light of day. An old Hammer Taboo polyester spare ball. Perfect ball movement on the dry. I have many times thought of getting rid of that ball but it seems to fit in at the oddest times.

fordman1

07-06-2016, 08:59 AM

"This was the original question"What would happen if all leagues allowed only one ball? Who would it help or hurt the most?

New added question What pro bowlers would it hurt the most or least?
I'm not sure about the hurt part but I am pretty sure it wouldn't hurt Norm Duke much.

billf

07-06-2016, 09:07 AM

New added question What pro bowlers would it hurt the most or least?
I'm not sure about the hurt part but I am pretty sure it wouldn't hurt Norm Duke much.

It would hurt the power players the most with the exception of Tommy Jones. The least would be the strokers like Duke, Jurek and my I can't think of a single stroker that's not on the PBA50 roster...

ytlas

07-06-2016, 09:40 AM

I don't believe that pro shops would be hurt by the one ball idea. People would still buy balls and practice to try to find "the right one" for the lane condition being put out. I think it would favor the bowler who learned how to play multiple angles, adjust speeds and hand positions. The one ball idea might encourage bowlers to practice better

Mike White

07-06-2016, 11:46 AM

Need a bit of clarification...one ball for the whole night? or one ball for the entire league season. If it was for the night, I don't see ball manufactures-pro shops being hurt much. It would better the bowlers as we would have to pick a ball for the night and make it work. But you could always try a different ball the next week, so some bowlers would still want an arsenal and then some. For the entire league, probably wouldn't get many takers as we all seem to be ball hoarders and people get bored too easily nowadays.

If you interpret it loosely, then people could over the course of a season use 30+ different brand/models of balls, and multiply that by the number of people in the league, and thats still a lot of balls purchased, and drilled.

Lets interpret it very tightly.

"What would happen if all leagues allowed only one ball? Who would it help or hurt the most?"

Everyone in all leagues had to use the same USBC determined brand/model for every shot for the whole season.

Aslan

07-06-2016, 04:38 PM

I agree with both Rob and Mike.

Take THAT Universe!!

bnaidicz13

07-07-2016, 05:38 PM

If you had only one ball would you want multiple layouts allowed?

billf

07-07-2016, 05:53 PM

Make it like the Teen Masters where all the bowlers have to use the same ball(s).

Mike White

07-07-2016, 06:16 PM

Make it like the Teen Masters where all the bowlers have to use the same ball(s).

If you notice, in the Teen Masters, they also greatly reduced the amount of oil applied to the lane.

billf

07-07-2016, 06:23 PM

If you notice, in the Teen Masters, they also greatly reduced the amount of oil applied to the lane.

I've noticed and that's still better than the conditions we get to bowl on now.

JaxBowlingGuy

07-07-2016, 07:00 PM

I've noticed and that's still better than the conditions we get to bowl on now.

7.92ML total volume on the short pattern (30')
7.8ML total volume on the long (40')

billf

07-08-2016, 08:21 AM

I would rather have little to no oil and have to actually make a shot than the floods in the middle funneling to the pocket that the average house shot has become. I'm in the minority, I understand and accept that.

JaxBowlingGuy

07-08-2016, 04:41 PM

If you had only one ball would you want multiple layouts allowed?

Sure lol one ball, "6" layouts

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fordman1

07-09-2016, 09:36 AM

bowl1820

07-09-2016, 10:19 AM

No I just wanted to know which pro bowlers if they could only use 1 ball for each 6 game block and not be allowed to switch would do better. No someone else picks what ball to use. No multi pattern layouts. Pick one and go bowl. Same oil patterns they used for the tournament last year what ever that was. Make them move their feet not reach for another ball. Make them slow down or speed up. Make them go straight or hook it more.

That's a question that probably doesn't have a definite answer, at least not in the long run.

Given if the elite bowler's that are at the top now, all have comparable skills/knowledge. You would still have basically the same players jockeying back and forth for position at the top that you have now.

You might see more changes in the lower level bowlers at least at first, until they leveled out.

IMO, I think a lot of people don't give the pro's the credit they deserve for the bowling skills & knowledge they possess. Being a elite player is not all about the equipment used or having a ball rep. to do all the thinking for them.

fordman1

07-09-2016, 10:46 AM

In the past you would hear of a pro going a complete tournament 60-80 games with the same ball. Now they change every time they move pairs. Maybe you are right but I have my doubts that some would be able to bowl without changing balls all the time. Maybe it would turn into a who can throw the hardest and keep the ball in play. Just something to think about. I would be totally against everyone using the same ball.

JaxBowlingGuy

07-09-2016, 01:41 PM

A few years ago they had the pba plastic ball tournament on the cheetah if I remeber right. They still scored fairly well

Mike White

07-09-2016, 06:48 PM

A few years ago they had the pba plastic ball tournament on the cheetah if I remeber right. They still scored fairly well

In 2009 it wasn't the standard Cheetah pattern, they said the amount of oil was reduced 50%, and still most of the competitors had to sand their plastic ball dull.

Aslan

07-11-2016, 06:27 PM

What would happen if all leagues allowed only one ball? Who would it help or hurt the most?

People would whine and cry and have temper tantrums. The usual answer to "what would bowlers do if...?"

JaxBowlingGuy

07-13-2016, 04:54 PM

They'd write USBC that their league only allows one ball and not giving them a fair shot at the national high average lol

Mike White

07-13-2016, 04:58 PM

They'd write USBC that their league only allows one ball and not giving them a fair shot at the national high average lol

If everyone uses the same ball, everyone is at the same "disadvantage", and therefore it's the bowlers talent that determines who is best.

JaxBowlingGuy

07-13-2016, 05:08 PM

If everyone uses the same ball, everyone is at the same "disadvantage", and therefore it's the bowlers talent that determines who is best.

Then the complaint goes to " my center has too much/not enough oil"

fordman1

07-13-2016, 08:35 PM

If everyone uses the same ball, everyone is at the same "disadvantage", and therefore it's the bowlers talent that determines who is best.

No, everyone isn't able to throw the same ball. They should get a ball of their choice. With drilling of their choice.

Mike White

07-13-2016, 09:35 PM

No, everyone isn't able to throw the same ball. They should get a ball of their choice. With drilling of their choice.

Not every track athlete can run a mile in under 4 minutes without steroids.

So it's ok for those that need a little help?

The current version of bowling has included far too much help.

Bowling balls that hook with very little effort.

Oil patterns to give length, and guide the ball towards the pocket, so that hook won't occur until its most beneficial.

fordman1

07-14-2016, 10:55 AM

Not every track athlete can run a mile in under 4 minutes without steroids.

So it's ok for those that need a little help?

The current version of bowling has included far too much help.

Bowling balls that hook with very little effort.

Oil patterns to give length, and guide the ball towards the pocket, so that hook won't occur until its most beneficial.

Come on same as saying if everyone was the same size and same age and the same sex. So a young power player could use a weak ball and dominate. Or on a dry lane a stroker could dominate. I say let each bowler pick what equipment would help them on that pattern that day.

NewToBowling

07-14-2016, 12:01 PM

I do agree that bowling has become very equipment dependent. Same way that tennis and golf has been. Heck, they even banned those special swimsuits a few years ago because everyone was breaking world records in swimming.

But the PBA isn't about saving itself anymore. Their major and seemingly only backers are the ball manufacturers. They sure won't bite the hand that feeds them.

And modern balls are great for the novice (like me) because it is instant hook in a box. Sure I have to work on not over hooking to be more controllable.

JaxBowlingGuy

07-14-2016, 02:29 PM

"Technology" is in all kind of competitive activity.

Power adders to drag racing
Aluminum bats to baseball
Special clubs/balls to golf

NewToBowling

07-14-2016, 02:38 PM

"Technology" is in all kind of competitive activity.

Power adders to drag racing
Aluminum bats to baseball
Special clubs/balls to golf

But short of golf (multiple clubs) bowling is the only other sport where one uses multiple balls. Baseball players don't change out bats when a new pitcher enters the game. Same with hockey or basketball or football. Even in tennis with new racket technology players use one racket for the whole game most of the time. You never hear commentators talking about how a certain tennis player should switch to a more "aggressive" tennis racket, etc.

Bowling has become for the most part equipment reliant. You get scoffed at if you're a serious bowler and only have 2 balls. One is expected to bring at least 6 balls otherwise you're not a serious bowler.

I'm starting to agree with Mike that talent should be the over riding factor on who is the better bowler. There should be one standardized ball spec and leave it at that. One strike and one spare ball. But I also understand the cat is out of the bag and we can't go back to that anymore.

I mean just read Aslan's thread on his next arsenal. Talking about surface, RG, cores, etc. Enough to make someone pull out their hair. It should be more about physical adjustments and not simply a ball change. Now I sound like a geezer

fordman1

07-14-2016, 03:18 PM

My problem isn't with a standard ball. It is who gets to decide what the standard ball is. Also no spare ball use the same ball for everything.

JaxBowlingGuy

07-14-2016, 03:43 PM

I agree you'd she be able to pick your own ball in this hypothetical scenario.

As for multiple balls, bowling also is one of the only one that has a constant changing playing surface.

Baseball and football, although use the same balls, bats, ect, they do change their shoes to the condition in which they are playing. Most high end cleats have interchangeable spikes for various conditions.

Mike White

07-14-2016, 10:12 PM

My problem isn't with a standard ball. It is who gets to decide what the standard ball is. Also no spare ball use the same ball for everything.

I think a non-flaring urethane ball would solve many of the problems with bowling.

Bowling centers apply so much oil on the lane because most people use flaring reactive resin balls.

The result is a lot of that oil is removed from the lane over the course of one league session.

You could place the blame on reactive resin balls absorbing the oil, but I don't think that is actually the heart of the issue.

If you had any surface type ball (reactive resin, urethane, plastic), but it didn't absorb oil, you would still see the same amount of oil on the ball when it came back.

What would be different is when you got up to take your next turn, that oil would still be on the ball, so the bowler would wipe the ball down before each shot to remove the oil.

At that point the same amount of oil is still removed from the lane, in one case its absorbed into the ball, in the other it's absorbed into the towel.

So let me restate my 2nd line.

Bowling centers apply so much oil on the lane because most people use flaring balls.

Again, I propose, non-flaring urethane.

Most people will complain that urethane doesn't hook enough on current oil patterns.

Thats true, so lets give the proprietor a break and cut back the amount of oil placed on the lane (both length and thickness).

The ball isn't flaring, so even with less oil, very little damage is being done to the oil pattern, which allows for practice before and/or after league.

Since the lane oil is holding up over the course of the day, the real reason to oil lanes before league is to remove the dust that has been attracted to the oil.

We used to walk the lanes with a Lin-O-Duster (cloth roll) and then apply oil on top of previous oil.

Stripping was done twice a week on the midnight shift.

Finally to bring skill back to the game, outlaw the walled up pattern.

Make it a crown (like the street to drain water) not like a top hat to guide the ball.