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Bowlingfan92
09-30-2016, 11:47 AM
Why, do you think, that beginners that already know how to hook the ball start off with a entry level ball and not a mid performance or high performance ball?
JasonNJ
09-30-2016, 11:56 AM
My guess is beginners don't know anything about ball specs and coverstocks so they just buy the cheapest ball possible and that would be an entry level ball. I know that was basically the case with me. I ended buying a mid performance ball that was discontinued and on clearance and I bought it because it was cheap not knowing any better.
fokai73
09-30-2016, 12:03 PM
entry level balls hook and carry like those mid and high end balls. All my honor scores came from entry level balls besides one - track slash. Nothing wrong with newbies using entry level balls.
Briantime
09-30-2016, 01:46 PM
Price would also be my guess. I know I was hesitant to make a large investment when I was beginning.
LOUVIT
09-30-2016, 05:19 PM
Entry level was how I felt after a 25 year layoff. When I started reading about coverstock and reactive balls and fake wood I was astounded...lol 5 Months in and I'm still learning. The ball I bought after I realized that my OLD ball wasn't working was I guess mid level.. A Track Heat, I now have that and a Storm phaze. I am amazed as to how much these ball move and turn at 12.5 mph
Blomer
10-01-2016, 02:17 PM
When I started four years ago, I didn't know if I would stick with bowling so I picked up a discontinued Brunswick Karma. It was cheap and did the trick. After the season I picked up a better ball. So cost was also a reason a s well,as I didn'tt know if I would stick with it.
foreverincamo
10-01-2016, 03:42 PM
It was price for me as well. I couldn't justify $150+ for a new ball after a 20 year layoff. I bought a few different types of balls until I found what worked for me, then upgraded to more expensive balls
billf
10-03-2016, 10:41 AM
They buy them BECAUSE they know how to hook the ball. If you need the high performance balls to get a hook on a house shot then you don't know how to properly hook a bowling ball.
RobLV1
10-03-2016, 01:47 PM
One of the single biggest differences between bowling today and bowling prior to 1990 is that today, trying to make a ball hook is actually detrimental to your game. Today's balls hook all by themselves with no help needed from the operator. The problem is that those returning from a long layoff, as well as newbies who are influenced by long-time bowlers who haven't figured this out keep trying to figure out how to make a ball hook. The majority of time that I spend giving lessons to seniors who have bowled for many years is teaching them to just roll the ball and, otherwise, leave it alone!
panbanger
10-03-2016, 02:29 PM
The performance you get from an entry level is pretty great! If you're just bowling league on a THS I'm not sure why you would even need one of the top of the line balls. But it seems like there's one or two Snap-Locks on every ball return in my current league. Some people like to have the latest and greatest I guess.
JasonNJ
10-03-2016, 02:35 PM
The performance you get from an entry level is pretty great! If you're just bowling league on a THS I'm not sure why you would even need one of the top of the line balls. But it seems like there's one or two Snap-Locks on every ball return in my current league. Some people like to have the latest and greatest I guess.
Actually because everyone is throwing the latest and greatest I started going in the other direction. I bring urethane and weaker reactive balls because before the end of the first game, the oil is depleted and transition happens so fast.
Mike White
10-04-2016, 01:47 AM
Today's balls hook all by themselves with no help needed from the operator.
Does anyone besides Rob believe this to be true?
2handedsniper
10-04-2016, 04:21 AM
well the ball will hook if anyone threw it, but it may hook into the gutter!
billf
10-04-2016, 08:37 AM
Does anyone besides Rob believe this to be true?
If it was true I wouldn't be able to throw reactive resin straight. Mo Pinel said at a conference that any ball can be thrown straight and it will go straight.
Amyers
10-04-2016, 09:09 AM
If it was true I wouldn't be able to throw reactive resin straight. Mo Pinel said at a conference that any ball can be thrown straight and it will go straight.
I think Rob's intent was that modern bowling isn't aided by putting a lot of finger in the ball as we used to many years ago. I will agree that he has simplified this expression to the point that it is misleading to people who don't understand what he is talking about.
Doghouse Reilly
10-04-2016, 09:36 AM
I think Rob's intent was that modern bowling isn't aided by putting a lot of finger in the ball as we used to many years ago.
+1 yes Moost of the time when Rob mentioned it, was when someone was talking about using lift or doing something similar.
He was trying to point out that todays balls didn't need the extra "help" like lift to make them hook, liike you had too years ago as you said.
Which is why I think some were always railing agianst reactive balls saying they couldn't control them and had to use only urethane or plastic. They were putting finger in the ball like they did 30 years ago.
NewToBowling
10-04-2016, 09:37 AM
If thrown straight with fingers rolling up the back and getting the ball to roll end over end yes it will go straight. But generally if you keep your hand behind the ball and with proper forward motion your hand will naturally rotate (ala hand shake) and that is all it takes to hook with modern balls. I think this is what Rob is getting at.
RobLV1
10-04-2016, 02:13 PM
If thrown straight with fingers rolling up the back and getting the ball to roll end over end yes it will go straight. But generally if you keep your hand behind the ball and with proper forward motion your hand will naturally rotate (ala hand shake) and that is all it takes to hook with modern balls. I think this is what Rob is getting at.
Exactly right! In order to get a reactive ball to go straight, a bowler must do something un-natural with the release to prevent the ball from hooking. This is the total reverse of "making it hook," which we don't have to do. It's more like "making it go straight."
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