The Detroit Open

[fordman1]

Watched last night. Had it recorded and it had to be the worse show ever.
Sound was terrible it went in and out.
Shot was terrible.
Scoring was terrible.
No ball changes.
Ball reps must have been hiding.
No line adjustments.
Finals were about 170 to 160.

When I watch is proclaimed to be the best bowlers in the world I want to see strikes and scoring.
Not Tom Clark sitting in front grinning like something good was happening.

[Mike White]

Watched last night. Had it recorded and it had to be the worse show ever.
Sound was terrible it went in and out.
Shot was terrible.
Scoring was terrible.
No ball changes.
Ball reps must have been hiding.
No line adjustments.
Finals were about 170 to 160.

When I watch is proclaimed to be the best bowlers in the world I want to see strikes and scoring.
Not Tom Clark sitting in front grinning like something good was happening.

For you, a good match would be 300 vs 300 tie, finally broken on the 85th sudden death shot when someone didn't carry the 10 pin?

[RobLV1]

Three comments:

1). Sound did go in and out as it has on every telecast from Detroit. Audio guy should lose his job.
2). This "MC" guy is a joke, announcing the bowlers like they are wrestlers. My wife who used to like watching bowling on TV commented, "How can you watch this?"
3.) The one positive note was that three of the bowlers; Wes, Sean, and Jason, were actually using balls that have been around for a while rather than the "latest and greatest" new release. That was refreshing!

[fordman1]

Thanks Rob I forgot the MC guy. He didn't even know the bowlers names. He called Sean Rash, Sean Rush or something idiotic.
Mike tell me did you see the show? It was brutal. Reminded me of the women bowling in the sand storm. Washout or Brooklyn. Give me a 245 to 236 any day.

[1VegasBowler]

What was funny about it, is, when they were on, they were truly on it. But when they were off, it looked as bad as it could get.

[Mike White]

Thanks Rob I forgot the MC guy. He didn't even know the bowlers names. He called Sean Rash, Sean Rush or something idiotic.
Mike tell me did you see the show? It was brutal. Reminded me of the women bowling in the sand storm. Washout or Brooklyn. Give me a 245 to 236 any day.

Yes, I saw it. What I saw was when you put the "greatest bowlers in the world" on a flat condition (i.e. no help) the "greatest bowlers in the world" isn't that high of a bar.

As for the MC guy, clearly the PBA is targeting a audience different than yourself.

It sounded like he said Reesh... He was reading from a script and the a may have looked like an e as he was reading it. After he said the word, he realized pretty quickly that he said the wrong word and corrected it.

Back when Nelson Burton Jr was commenting, he would make some kind of mistake, and rather than correct it, he would just move on to something else.

I guess it's more important to fill air, rather than present factual information to the viewer.

How many times after a bowler left a weak 10 pin, have you heard a commenter say the words.... "It came in behind the head pin".

If the ball truly came in behind the head pin, what made the two pin fall? If the head pin is hit from behind, it will move to the side, and forward towards the foul line as opposed to sideways and backwards towards the pit.

With the sound going in and out, I see that as a good thing.. Less inane chatter from the talking heads.

[Mike White]

What was funny about it, is, when they were on, they were truly on it. But when they were off, it looked as bad as it could get.

When were they "truly on it"?

It looked to me like on flat oil, there was too little friction in the oil, and by using resin balls, there was too much friction at the back end.

The result was either they felt they had to pitch it far right, or had way too much ball reaction at the back.

[fordman1]

Mike you saying you have never used the term behind the head pin? Maybe the term too far back from the ideal pocket hit. It started hooking too far down lane and had a bad angle. Most times you will leave a weak 10. Your pulling my leg aren't you. Was this a test? Come on.

[Amyers]

Mike you saying you have never used the term behind the head pin? Maybe the term too far back from the ideal pocket hit. It started hooking too far down lane and had a bad angle. Most times you will leave a weak 10. Your pulling my leg aren't you. Was this a test? Come on.

I've heard the term used that way but factually Mike is correct. I threw a ball yesterday in league where the ball came in behind the headpin and left the 2-8-10 :(

[LOUVIT]

off topic but since when is it aired on a Tuesday or Wednesday night. when was the actual finals bowled live? I realized it wasn't live because I was talking to Tom Daughtery yesterday afternoon and he was on TV at night...lol

[Mike White]

Mike you saying you have never used the term behind the head pin? Maybe the term too far back from the ideal pocket hit. It started hooking too far down lane and had a bad angle. Most times you will leave a weak 10. Your pulling my leg aren't you. Was this a test? Come on.

I don't use the term "behind the head pin" to describe what happened.

If I've said those words, it's to identify those words being said by someone else.

It's simply the ball is contacting the head pin too far right of optimal.

The path the pin takes after contact is directly related to where on the pin the contact is made.

Draw a line from the point of contact on the pin, thru the center of the pin and beyond. Technically that's a ray, not a line.

If the contact is behind the front half of the ball, the ray is pointing left, and somewhat forward.

If you hit the pin that "thin", you're lucky to even get the pin to fall.

The optimal pocket shot drives the pin back at 30 degrees off of straight back (straight back being a path parallel to the boards).

[Mike White]

I've heard the term used that way but factually Mike is correct. I threw a ball yesterday in league where the ball came in behind the headpin and left the 2-8-10 :(

I highly doubt even your 2-8-10 actually came in behind the head pin.

I'll see if I can find any bowling video where it's even close to the actual coming in behind the head pin.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5odfjTyz68A

The first ball thrown is about as close to "coming in behind the head pin" as I can find on Youtube.

Notice the path of the head pin after the ball contacts it.

It almost slides into the left gutter while standing up.

[ep1977]

It really sucks that they had HORRENDOUS sound issues during the one week where they film a bunch of events. It's hard to watch with the sound constatnly cutting out. CBS should be embarrassed!!!

[Mike White]

It really sucks that they had HORRENDOUS sound issues during the one week where they film a bunch of events. It's hard to watch with the sound constatnly cutting out. CBS should be embarrassed!!!

Do you blame the Trucking Company that delivered your refridgerator to the store, because when you bought it, it was missing the sensor to stop the ice cube maker from overfilling?


CBS delivered to you the crap that the PBA delivered to CBS.

[ep1977]

Do you blame the Trucking Company that delivered your refridgerator to the store, because when you bought it, it was missing the sensor to stop the ice cube maker from overfilling?


CBS delivered to you the crap that the PBA delivered to CBS.

Hence why I said CBS should be embarrassed! The PBA is not position to even call them on it.

[manke]

So the pba does the taping and not CBS ? I would of thought it was CBS gig.

[fordman1]

Could they not have redid the sound after the fact. The announcers might have even been able to look smarter. It was a month old.

[dmet225]

The sound was horrendous not only on all of the telecasts from Detroit, but for most of the PWBA telecasts on CBS Sports Network. That's completely pathetic.

[fordman1]

Oh and a couple of them started late and if you recorded it you probably lost the end. Add 15 minutes to the king of swing..

[JaxBowlingGuy]

Oh and a couple of them started late and if you recorded it you probably lost the end. Add 15 minutes to the king of swing..

I just got finished watching my recording from last night and it ended in the 8th frame or so of the finals

[chrono00]

I just got finished watching my recording from last night and it ended in the 8th frame or so of the finals

I had that problem a few times with the ESPN shows. Soccer game or whatever goes into overtime so the first fifteen minutes of the recording is soccer and I lose half the final game. Started recording a half hour longer on my ever after that

[Mike White]

I just got finished watching my recording from last night and it ended in the 8th frame or so of the finals

The final match on Youtube.... the complete game.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66h1xmcjlzo

[fordman1]

Thanks Mike for posting the finals. Does anyone know any of the pro's and do they complain about the shot like league bowlers? I still think most fans would rather have a little more scoring. Two weeks in a row a final game with a 200 game.

[JaxBowlingGuy]

Thanks Mike for posting the finals. Does anyone know any of the pro's and do they complain about the shot like league bowlers? I still think most fans would rather have a little more scoring. Two weeks in a row a final game with a 200 game.

I think it was EJ was saying the right lane was horrible after a shot on it in either the semi or final match.

[Mike White]

Thanks Mike for posting the finals. Does anyone know any of the pro's and do they complain about the shot like league bowlers? I still think most fans would rather have a little more scoring. Two weeks in a row a final game with a 200 game.

I don't think EJ was complaining about the condition from the lane machine.

I think his comment was about the condition the bowlers created.

[fordman1]

Never heard any interview.
What was Ryan talking about when he referenced Abrey Park not far from Allen Park?
Losers complaining was my question.