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JaxBowlingGuy
10-27-2016, 10:52 AM
Looking at my spreadsheet I'm noticing a trend and seeing that game one is my new "sore thumb". Earlier in the season it was game 2. I'm in the pocket but can't carry corner pins the first game.
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Week 5
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Week 6
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Week 7
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JaxBowlingGuy
10-27-2016, 10:53 AM
Week 8
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baker
10-27-2016, 12:13 PM
It could have to do with low end/high end of the house. I know in most houses I go to the low end plays a bit dryer and transitions faster. You might just be getting more push and coming in a bit behind the head pin versus earlier weeks when you were on the low end of the house.
zacks
10-27-2016, 12:24 PM
How is it that your schedule has you moving exactly one pair right every week? I know most systems have an algorithm in determining the schedule and sometimes patterns can be seen, but exactly one pair to the right every week is something I've never seen.
As far as game 1 woahs, I had a few series in a row where I couldn't figure it out in the first game. Last night, I seemed to break that only to have a bad second game. Earlier in the season I was having game 2 issues which were because I was struggling on the transition and that was my problem last night. I think the game 1 issues were just me not getting comfortable early in the night, which I was able to relax and get comfortable last night. Bowling can be funny, fix one issue only to expose another. It's a constant work in progress no matter how good you are.
JaxBowlingGuy
10-27-2016, 12:37 PM
Not sure what system they have in place for moving each week but the team to the left and right of us going atleast 2 pair have made the same move each week. We move one pair and we will bowl the team that bowled next to us the following week (they move 2 pair instead of 1) it's been like that since week one and looking st the schedule it's like that for the next 3 weeks to (aside from position round next week)
JaxBowlingGuy
10-27-2016, 12:44 PM
It could have to do with low end/high end of the house. I know in most houses I go to the low end plays a bit dryer and transitions faster. You might just be getting more push and coming in a bit behind the head pin versus earlier weeks when you were on the low end of the house.
That very well could be it, just never really experienced that in this house. There's defiantly pairs that are tougher (1-2, 13-14, 23-24) though that I have found over the years. I told myself before league last night I was going to throw something different first game than usual but then go up in practice and found a good line with the usual ball. Get into the game and crush the hole all game to not carry. Left one 7 pin (I'll take that blame), then four 10 pins. The open in the 9th was only the 2nd miss on the 10 this season (out of 20) so atleast I'm getting that practice in lol
billf
10-27-2016, 12:58 PM
Interesting. I would be curious to know if this was a pattern in past seasons as well.
If I would hazzard a guess it would be this: the further away from end pairs a lane is the less effect climate has on lane topography. Add to it that the weather has been less humid and cooling down this is a trend I expect to continue. As long as you're satisfied with the shot shape move 1 and 1 right.
JaxBowlingGuy
10-27-2016, 01:14 PM
Looking back at my summer sheet, the last two weeks they put out the shot they have now (they use the summer to test the new shot so we bowled on 4 different patterns) I shot 259 and 268 game one on it in the same area of the house 13-14 and 15-16. We moved pairs each game but those were my starting pairs on week 10 and position night
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JaxBowlingGuy
10-27-2016, 01:16 PM
Looking at that sheet game one was the lowest for the summer, but on this pattern in particular it was the highest lol
Mike White
10-27-2016, 01:18 PM
Not sure what system they have in place for moving each week but the team to the left and right of us going atleast 2 pair have made the same move each week. We move one pair and we will bowl the team that bowled next to us the following week (they move 2 pair instead of 1) it's been like that since week one and looking st the schedule it's like that for the next 3 weeks to (aside from position round next week)
http://usbcongress.http.internapcdn.net/usbcongress/bowl/rules/pdfs/Allleagueschedules.pdf
If you are in a 26 team league, and happen to be team #4, the "standard" league schedule will have you start the season by moving one pair right each week for the first 12 weeks.
Due to some quirk in the scheduling algorithm, team 4 only bowls on the far left pair (commonly lane 1-2) only once during the season.
JaxBowlingGuy
10-27-2016, 01:54 PM
http://usbcongress.http.internapcdn.net/usbcongress/bowl/rules/pdfs/Allleagueschedules.pdf
If you are in a 26 team league, and happen to be team #4, the "standard" league schedule will have you start the season by moving one pair right each week for the first 12 weeks.
Due to some quirk in the scheduling algorithm, team 4 only bowls on the far left pair (commonly lane 1-2) only once during the season.
We are team 4 and there is only 26 teams in this league lol (smaller league). Good news on the 1-2 pair. The wall is literally right next to lane 1 which for the most part eliminates the inside line and going cross lane at 10 pins.
JaxBowlingGuy
10-27-2016, 01:55 PM
Team 2 and team 6 has folllowed our moves each week thus far as well.
Amyers
10-27-2016, 02:28 PM
Could be your not starting with quite enough surface to get the ball to fully finish in the first game. Rather than move as you appear to be in the pocket I would hit my ball with whatever the next grit down is from what it currently surfaced with and see if that doesn't help the problem. ie. if the ball is at 3k hit it lightly with 2k just before starting. Might give it that extra drop of read you need to carry the 10. Some of this might be just statistical noise too. It appears other than the week you missed the ten you've not doubled up in the 10th which would have gotten you to your average. Sometimes the strikes just don't fall in the right place too.
RobLV1
10-27-2016, 03:16 PM
If you are bowling on freshly oiled lanes, it could be as simple as missing the first transition. On a pair with four bowlers on each team, the lanes begin to transition as soon as the third or fourth frame after ten minutes of practice.
fordman1
10-27-2016, 03:26 PM
If a bowler is averaging 231 I would expect more low series scores and more high games. 730 with that average is low I'm my opinion. 638 could even be lower.
One other question why are you carrying out the decimals 7 places? All bowling averages are rounded down. Maybe one or two places would be reasonable.
All that aside you are bowling very good and my guess is there are few if any on here who will ever see a 230 average.
JaxBowlingGuy
10-27-2016, 03:35 PM
Basically 31% of my single pin leaves on the season have came in 16% of games (last 4 weeks, game 1)
That's 31% (16) of the total single pin leaves in the last 4 weeks game one vs 7% (4) single pin leaves in the first 4 weeks game one. First 4 weeks game one average 260.25 and the last 4 weeks game one 208.75. Even if it's not the single pin killers, there's something I have to do to string more strikes. Average by game, my 2nd game is my lowest but in the past 3 weeks I made my moves sooner to catch the transition and I'm seeing the game 2 average increasing weekly.
JaxBowlingGuy
10-27-2016, 03:41 PM
If a bowler is averaging 231 I would expect more low series scores and more high games. 730 with that average is low I'm my opinion. 638 could even be lower.
One other question why are you carrying out the decimals 7 places? All bowling averages are rounded down. Maybe one or two places would be reasonable.
All that aside you are bowling very good and my guess is there are few if any on here who will ever see a 230 average.
I just never adjusted the decimal places when i did that sheet. Plus I use a new app that's tracking a lot of it. I just use the sheet to show me patterns/trends and to keep track of my profit and loss
As for the series numbers, I'm usually prettt much right on or around average. I'll have some break out games but they are usually making up for less than stellar games previously. The 638 night I really shouldn't have bowled because I was just coming off being sick but against better judgment went anyway. Been bouncing back and forth from 230 and 231 for a few weeks now but luckily no major drops lately like the 638 night when it fell like 6 pins
JaxBowlingGuy
10-27-2016, 03:46 PM
If you are bowling on freshly oiled lanes, it could be as simple as missing the first transition. On a pair with four bowlers on each team, the lanes begin to transition as soon as the third or fourth frame after ten minutes of practice.
That could be it, but it's just a recent thing. Something did just "click" though reading that. One of the things different between the first 4 weeks and the last 4 weeks is the teams we have bowled. The last 4 weeks we have had a lot more of bowlers that either aim it to the pocket or play a down and in. I'm almost always inside of everyone on the pair and with not having as many people breaking down that part of the lane could be leading to less than usual carry.
Amyers
10-27-2016, 04:37 PM
That could be it, but it's just a recent thing. Something did just "click" though reading that. One of the things different between the first 4 weeks and the last 4 weeks is the teams we have bowled. The last 4 weeks we have had a lot more of bowlers that either aim it to the pocket or play a down and in. I'm almost always inside of everyone on the pair and with not having as many people breaking down that part of the lane could be leading to less than usual carry.
That really should be effecting you later in the set not in the first game as much anyway. If that was the reason the effect should be more pronounced though the night
JaxBowlingGuy
10-27-2016, 05:13 PM
That really should be effecting you later in the set not in the first game as much anyway. If that was the reason the effect should be more pronounced though the night
From the start of the night to the end I make anywhere from 7-10 board move.
zacks
10-27-2016, 07:22 PM
We are team 4 and there is only 26 teams in this league lol (smaller league).
26 is a large league by my standards. Our house is only 24 lanes.
Mike White
10-27-2016, 07:25 PM
26 is a large league by my standards. Our house is only 24 lanes.
Around here 32 used to be the standard, with one exception that was 60.
Now most places that relatively new are all 40 lanes.
Amyers
10-27-2016, 10:34 PM
From the start of the night to the end I make anywhere from 7-10 board move.
True but are you finding that you have to move more now than you used too?
JaxBowlingGuy
10-27-2016, 11:20 PM
True but are you finding that you have to move more now than you used too?
Start of the league inwas making roughly 5 boards for the night but was missing the second game. Now making moves sooner and more
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