Having a coach is SO worth the money....

[foreverincamo]

Worked with my coach for a couple hours today. We worked on maintaining a proper spine tilt throughout the swing. I had been starting with standing upright and progressing my spine tilt as I walked. My biggest problem was I was too far forward with my upper body after my third step.
To fix it she had me change how I set up with around 15 degrees of forward tilt and try to maintain it. The hardest part is to maintain it going into my 4th step. Once I can get that corrected, look out! My rev rate jumped 20% on the shots where my spine tilt was steady. She said with the proper spine tilt I'm driving the shot with my legs more, which frees up my swing.
This also helps me with seeing down the lane better. It was a great session and I can't wait to practice again. It was a subtle change and shouldn't take long to get it worked out. Next comes some alterations to a few balls to set them up like my DV8 Ruckus Schizo and stretch the span and enlarge the thumb holes. Good times !!

[Mike White]

Worked with my coach for a couple hours today. We worked on maintaining a proper spine tilt throughout the swing. I had been starting with standing upright and progressing my spine tilt as I walked. My biggest problem was I was too far forward with my upper body after my third step.
To fix it she had me change how I set up with around 15 degrees of forward tilt and try to maintain it. The hardest part is to maintain it going into my 4th step. Once I can get that corrected, look out! My rev rate jumped 20% on the shots where my spine tilt was steady. She said with the proper spine tilt I'm driving the shot with my legs more, which frees up my swing.
This also helps me with seeing down the lane better. It was a great session and I can't wait to practice again. It was a subtle change and shouldn't take long to get it worked out. Next comes some alterations to a few balls to set them up like my DV8 Ruckus Schizo and stretch the span and enlarge the thumb holes. Good times !!



I'm old. My first 300 was with a rubber ball...


I would have thought with you "being old", you would have learned these kinds of things long ago.

[foreverincamo]

I would have thought with you "being old", you would have learned these kinds of things long ago.
I'm not saying I didn't know all of this. What I didn't know was I wasn't maintaining my spine tilt. I had changed my setup stance to more upright to increase my swing height. This caused a bunch of minor issues which have snowballed into what we fixed today. With the video work we did we were able to find the issues and correct them. Over time you can develop bad habits and having a coaching session can fix them.

[fokai73]

good job working with a coach.

As we age, or take breaks from bowling, or whatever, our physical game can get out of wack. Some times we just need to be reminded. Or retaught.

I tend to forget simple things in parts of my game after a long summer break, and I have to watch video of myself, look at my notes, or see my coach to get back on track. Even the pros who have many years and titles under their belt, also seek advice from coaches.

[fordman1]

I watch the coach in our center teach bowling and give lessons often. What I see is teaching the new release. Not totally different but it would not have worked on the old wood lanes with rubber or plastic. Todays game seems to be get a ball that will hook and throw it fast. The faster the better. In the old days you were not going to bowl much with a high speed delivery. Unless you were as accurate as Dick weber.

[foreverincamo]

My problems were my doing. What's funny is the last two weeks in league I've averaged around 220. But by changing my spine tilt at the beginning has stopped me from over-tilting on step 3, which gets my head and slide foot parallel at the finish. My balance improved, my rev rate increased, release is cleaner, lane vision improved. All because of how I set up. Go figure

[LOUVIT]

Not sure...what is spine tilt? Is it hand position or body position. I have been working on hand position never thought about actual back or spine position.

[JasonNJ]

Not sure...what is spine tilt? Is it hand position or body position. I have been working on hand position never thought about actual back or spine position.


Spine tilt is body position. Basically leaning forward and or to the side. Spine tilt helps me be more accurate. I lean forward a bit, drop my right shoulder to create a little lean to the right and this helps my head and right arm stay in line with my target. It also helps my swing be clear of my hips.

[LOUVIT]

Spine tilt is body position. Basically leaning forward and or to the side. Spine tilt helps me be more accurate. I lean forward a bit, drop my right shoulder to create a little lean to the right and this helps my head and right arm stay in line with my target. It also helps my swing be clear of my hips.

I kind of knew that but had to be sure, I think I bend too much and pull the ball, when I do remember to stand straighter I do not pull it. just so much to think about in 4 or 5 steps...lol

[foreverincamo]

Forward spine tilt is what we worked on. I had too little in my set up and too much going into step 4. Basically walking down a flight of stairs while bowling. League is tonite so hopefully i remember what we worked on

[LOUVIT]

Forward spine tilt is what we worked on. I had too little in my set up and too much going into step 4. Basically walking down a flight of stairs while bowling. League is tonite so hopefully i remember what we worked on


To me trying to remember everything on every shot is hard. I do 2 things right and 4 wrong...lol

[foreverincamo]

Sounds like my night tonite. All of my brain is working on maintaining my posture and I shoot 144,147, 212. Had to throw the last 5 in a row for the 212 to shoot over 500. I haven't been under 500 since I started bowling again in 2014. Good news is we won tonite despite my poor bowling and go into position round next week still hanging onto first place by 1/2 a point since we tied our first game tonite.

[LOUVIT]

Sounds like my night tonite. All of my brain is working on maintaining my posture and I shoot 144,147, 212. Had to throw the last 5 in a row for the 212 to shoot over 500. I haven't been under 500 since I started bowling again in 2014. Good news is we won tonite despite my poor bowling and go into position round next week still hanging onto first place by 1/2 a point since we tied our first game tonite.


I know that feeling, I shoot 180-200 and then a 140. Don't understand why that happens....lol.. This week I shot 156 we won by 100 pins, then a 147, we lost by 90, then We overheard some *** on the other team say let's beat these JERKS again.... Hold me back!!!..lol I started with a double and said loudly even a jerk can bury a few , then left a 10 pin and then on the third strike the *** said nice ball....lol Guess he got the message I was a bit angry. These people didn't even keep their own scores we had to write them in... We won the last game by 90 or so and I shot 196...O and we were tied for 5th place with them....


sorry went off on a rant there....haha. Please continue thread....

[foreverincamo]

Worked with my coach again this morning for a few hours. Timing and release were better. Shot 245,244,213= 702. Going to see my PSA tomorrow and look into altering the span on a few balls to get a quicker release. Hope that works out.

[J Anderson]

To me trying to remember everything on every shot is hard. I do 2 things right and 4 wrong...lol

The goal is to get enough quality practice in so that all the motions, footwork, swing, and release, become natural, automatic motions. After that all you need to remember is how to set up in the right posture for you, where you need to stand, where you need to aim, to watch how your ball goes down the lane, and to watch where it goes off the back of the pin deck. I almost always forget the last one by the time the ball gets to the pins.

[Mike White]

The goal is to get enough quality practice in so that all the motions, footwork, swing, and release, become natural, automatic motions. After that all you need to remember is how to set up in the right posture for you, where you need to stand, where you need to aim, to watch how your ball goes down the lane, and to watch where it goes off the back of the pin deck. I almost always forget the last one by the time the ball gets to the pins.

Practice is not to improve how good your best shot is.

Practice is to improve how good your worst shot is.

[foreverincamo]

Even though what I changed in my game was pretty small, it's still taking a while to get it to feel natural. The higher scores felt good today but in a different house that's much easier to score in. Another month working on fine-tuning my approach and then I'll find something else to work on.

[2handedsniper]

in all seriousnes do you think a coach could help me with my form since im only holeless bowler in the world?

[bowl1820]

in all seriousnes do you think a coach could help me with my form since im only holeless bowler in the world?

Yes if "You are serious" a coach could help you, he can teach you to bowl in a more proper style than your rugby throw style.

As for being the only hole-less (assuming your referring to your bowling ball :) ) bowler, I'm afraid your not. There have been others that tried it, that is why they even have rules related to using balls without holes.

[foreverincamo]

A coach probably would try to help, but why not have any holes?