A motion for Aslan to move to The Kansas City Missouri area

[MICHAEL]

Do I have any seconds!!

Lots of opportunities in the metro area...Sprint Campus,,, ( I helped build that huge complex )

You might even find me open to coaching, and having you on one of my HIGH Handicap teams

Lots of Really Sweet good looking Farm girls on the outskirts of the metro area

League bowling is the number one sport in the Kansas city area

Single girls blind college not far form the Lights out bowling lanes, where every night its ninja bowling using your feel, smell, and touch!

Kansas City is a Great Place to live, if your single, or without woman!

millions of loft style units just waiting for bowlers from out of town!

The Wood Lanes of Plattsburg Missouri, with its old school overhead scoring! In other words you have to be able to bowl, and keep score yourself.
Good for math skills, and learning how to keep score. The Wood lanes that TEST the abilities, of even the most skilled synthetic bowler! The place where REAL Men, and women Bowl! (just 30 miles outside of downtown Kansas city Missouri)

JUST a few of the good reasons you should consider My, Kind of Town,,, Kansas City Missouri! (not Kansas city Kansas :()

DO I HAVE A SECOND ON ASLAN moving to Kansas City,,, Two Gods living in the same City and State!

[Aslan]

I have to admit, the +40 pins in average that I'd get bowling in Missouri....would be nice...

..but then I'd have to live in Missouri....not so nice.

http://memecrunch.com/meme/49G26/redneck-missouri/image.jpg

[Tony]

I have to admit, the +40 pins in average that I'd get bowling in Missouri....would be nice...

..but then I'd have to live in Missouri....not so nice.

http://memecrunch.com/meme/49G26/redneck-missouri/image.jpg

I'm sure the people of Missouri would love to have you ! (live someplace else)

Where do you get the +40 pins, come out and shoot some games, and then see where you end up. I realize you live under the impression that everyone that bowls anyplace you don't has their average boosted tremendously by "easy" lane conditions, but 40 plus pins, now you're dreaming........Perhaps you mean with extensive coaching from the Iceman that you could learn to be a better bowler and gain 40 pins over where you are now, now that might be possible ! lol
You do realize the people telling you that they bowl 12 frames in Missouri were just pulling your leg.

[chip82901]

Seriously though, 40 pins? If all it takes is a move to another house to average 40 pins higher, there's definitely something wrong with your game

[Tony]

Seriously though, 40 pins? If all it takes is a move to another house to average 40 pins higher, there's definitely something wrong with your game

After reading it over again, maybe he figures after they see him bowl, they will be spotting him 40 pins to make it an even bet ?Maybe Ice already agreed to spot him 40 pins in a different thread for the rematch on the wood lanes in Po-dunk.

[fordman1]

Years ago I bowled in or around KC. South side. Stayed with relatives for a week in Raymore while attending USBC convention.
Also had some barbecue to die for. A little mom and pop place on the west side kind of our of town.

[chip82901]

After reading it over again, maybe he figures after they see him bowl, they will be spotting him 40 pins to make it an even bet ?Maybe Ice already agreed to spot him 40 pins in a different thread for the rematch on the wood lanes in Po-dunk.

I just have a hard time taking a 170 average bowler serious when they talk about bowling anything scratch lol. It's been awhile since I've bowled on wood lanes, but I'm sure I could figure it out. After all, my 2-handed style gives me an advantage :rolleyes:

[Timmyb]

Still want him up in Milwaukee. Good food, the biggest music festival on the planet, and a crapload of good houses.

[MICHAEL]

Hey Iceman is not going to fight over Aslan!!! I just know that Kansas City has it all,,,,,,,, and hands down best barbecue on planet earth! More single chicks then any
other State! EASY Score Bowling lanes! (that's in regards to bowling Aslan, not picking up chicks) I would think, having meet you that it just might be the place where you
find that special love of your life..... I am able to see into the future, and I can picture the one that you will be spending the rest of your life with! I might just add it to this post, if you really want to see her!
http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg151/Janina2109/dancing-moonlight.gif (http://media.photobucket.com/user/Janina2109/media/dancing-moonlight.gif.html)
Missouri,,, land of bowling lanes and love! If you look REAL close you see your future! Missouri, land of single lonely women bowlers!

[Tony]

Maybe we should make it a poll

Should Aslan be banished to KC or MIL ?

Should he agree, we can make it an official poll and decide what State gets to add him to their list.

Before we start the poll does anyone else want to throw their name in the bowling bag ?

(Note: No need to respond if you don't want to be in the running )

[chip82901]

Maybe we should make it a poll

Should Aslan be banished to KC or MIL ?

Should he agree, we can make it an official poll and decide what State gets to add him to their list.

Before we start the poll does anyone else want to throw their name in the bowling bag ?

(Note: No need to respond if you don't want to be in the running )

He's more than welcome to come get ran over here in Wyoming lol

[Tony]

He's more than welcome to come get ran over here in Wyoming lol

I got a feeling there are more bowling centers within 5 miles of his house than there are in Wyoming ! lol

[chip82901]

I got a feeling there are more bowling centers within 5 miles of his house than there are in Wyoming ! lol

You may be right lol. Where I live, we have 2 in a 15 mile radius. There's one about 100 miles north that's pretty decent, but all of the big tourneys take place in Casper and Cheyenne mainly

[chip82901]

It kills me how much a 170 average bowler talks smack. I don't care what house you bowl in, 170 is 170. Even in a hard house, anyone that's decent is over 185. I bowl in notoriously the hardest house in WY. that being said, I think I finished this OFF year at 190. Years past, I've been well over 200. The hardest part about our house? Carry (twister pins are the devil). Get me on somewhere with wood pins (pretty much anywhere else in the state) and I'm 215+ all day (it's been proven). I think some of you guys think you know more than you actually do. It makes for cheap entertainment!

[Aslan]

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Where do you get the +40 pins, come out and shoot some games, and then see where you end up.

Tony my boy...RELAX.

I'll be in the Midwest soon...I look forward to backing up my talk with actions very, very soon. I'm actually procrastinating from packing as we speak.

As to "easy centers"...AGAIN...it's very, very simple. Look at the averages on your league sheet...look at how many honor scores come from each center in your USBC...and if you see that most of the honor scores are coming from a specific center in your USBC...or a higher than reasonable amount....your center is "easier". It's not rocket science. In that other thread...you were talking about numerous 800 series and multiple 300 games per night...and EVERYONE (not just Aslan the hater)...responded in shock. You, of course, got your feelings hurt. I understand that.

I USED TO bowl at a very similar center in Orange County. I averaged 190-192...which was at LEAST 10-pins higher than my averages elsewhere...20 pins in one case. What did I do? Did I brag about how awesome I am that I can average in the 190s after only having started bowling a year prior? Nope. I left that center for good. Because I don't enjoy making bad shots and being rewarded for it. That's just me...I'm "unique" (nice way of saying it) in that I WANT to be challenged, and pushed, and sometimes, defeated. Pushing myself makes me a better bowler in the long run.

Is Iceman legitimately a 200+ average bowler capable of an 800 series every month or so? Probably not. But...maybe!? I bowled against him...I saw his physical game in person...and going by that data alone...he wasn't a "pro" by any means. He also was a rather "newer" bowler...still learning the game...but he does have a decent amount of natural ability and a great, admirable passion for the game. Could he legitimately now be on the verge of being a professional bowler? Perhaps. I'm sure I'll find out, God willing, soon enough. But if he's not...the I absolutely question the conditions at the center he bowls at...which, like your center, is one of the highest average, highest honor score centers in his USBC. Those are just facts....I can't change those facts even I wanted to. They are what they are. As I suggested to you in the other thread...try a different center once a week...maybe find a challenge/sport shot league to try...just to give you a different perspective. You might actually end up agreeing with me.

And that leads me to this "knowledge" debate. I didn't get to say my peace in the other thread before it got locked...so let me say it, briefly, here. There are ZERO bowlers at the professional level who are there SOLELY due to natural ability. Not ONE. Each month...for the last...over a year...I take lessons from one of the best coaches in the ENTIRE WORLD. Bowlers fly in and drive in from everywhere to take lessons from him. He coaches PBA National Tour bowlers. And he's helped me IMMENSELY with my physical game...of which I have very little "natural talent".

BUT...I also have taken lessons from RobM...and in addition to the help with my physical game, have learned a GREAT deal about bowling ball technology from him. I also take lessons from a PWBA bowler....and in addition to the help with my physical game, she has been absolutely crucial to my understanding of lane play, arsenal progression, and spare shooting.

Being "naturally gifted"...may help you get to a high level if you're throwing the ball 21mph, 2-handed, at a center where the ball hits the breakpoint and bounces off it like it his hitting a bumper...but you still have to know how to ADJUST...how to shoot spares consistently, what your equipment does or doesn't do, etc... I bowl against 200+ average bowlers 2-3 times a week....guys that have been bowling for 30+ years...some of them used to be PBA regional players...and I can't beat them on natural talent or experience.

But....how many times have I beaten them...because they absolutely refuse to move...and they have no idea what ball to switch to or (more importantly) WHY they are switching balls to begin with? Many, many times. Rob talks about it quite a bit...watching some very skilled bowlers...that stubbornly resist moving off the track. Of matter of fact, Rob talks about it SO much...that I sometimes wonder if he's not equally stubborn regarding playing the track at all...even when that's the best shot...but whatever.

Knowledge is power. And for those of us that aren't "naturally gifted bowlers"...that knowledge is a very useful tool when it comes to leveling the playing field. Recently, as I've continuously improved...some of these 200+ average bowlers have taken notice...and have EVEN come to ME...asking for advice!! Hey...I'm just as shocked as you are when it happens. I usually have to take a step back and pause before responding...because I don't think I'm good enough to coach toddlers...much less adults.

And...there's one other piece of PROOF that knowledge is power. I won $1555 at sweeps in March...in Vegas. And while I'm sure everyone in the league was pissed off about it...
1) Every time I go to sweeps, I arrive on Thursday...and I practice Thursday evening, Friday morning, and Friday evening.
2) I don't get drunk Friday night.
3) My KNOWLEDGE...and TRAINING...has allowed me to take my game from one center...to another center...a very different center...and still perform at a high level.

So, when these bowlers that bowl at ONE HOUSE....get hammered the night before sweeps to the point that they can barely get up the next day for sweeps...fail to practice at all on the lanes pre-sweeps...and are in the "natural talent" group that think knowledge is over-rated......end up losing $1555...I have ZERO remorse nor sympathy for them.

[chip82901]

Also, that being said, I'm all for the 170 average guy that is trying to better his game. But don't tell me you'd give me lessons or any of that other BS. Obviously, if I'm 20 pins higher than you, I'm not taking any lessons from you lol

[Aslan]

It kills me how much a 170 average bowler talks smack. I don't care what house you bowl in, 170 is 170. Even in a hard house, anyone that's decent is over 185.!
Agreed...sort of...

But, I'm not a 170 bowler. I WAS a 170 bowler when I was defeated by Iceman in vegas...when Iceman was a 190+ bowler and refused to give me any handicap...but as my signature clearly states...I am now a upper 180s/low 190s bowler. I also am very transparent and post my USBC member number in my signature so everyone can verify/scrutinize me till their little hearts content. For some "strange reason", most of the bowlers on the site are afraid to put their USBC number anywhere on the site...in some cases (from a few years ago)...because they consider bowling a lot like "fishing" in terms of the stories they tell.

I COULD be a 200+ average bowler with one or more perfect games to my credit...if I wanted to bowl at the AMF center down the road...but I don't really see the point in that. Nowadays the USBC only gives you a ring for the first 300-game...so I'm gonna make mine legitimate. I want to look at that ring and KNOW...that it did NOT come easy. I don't want to look at it and think..."wow....I should turn pro! I have 5 300 rings despite being an 80% spare shooter who misses the pocket 1 out of every 3 strikes!"

And no...like most sane individuals...I am NOT moving to Wyoming. Is it better than riot-ridden Missouri? Probably. Actually, I've heard Wyoming is beautiful country and I like the fact that aren't a ton of people to ruin things...so I actually DID consider Wyoming as one of my possible destinations. But, like Missouri, my motivation for moving is to be close to my daughter...and she lives in central Iowa...so that's where I'm going. Maybe in 4-5 years when she goes away for college...but not before.

[Timmyb]

Two words about moving to Milwaukee. Bronze. Fonz.

USBC Member #2523-47504 (this years average not yet posted).

[Aslan]

Two words about moving to Milwaukee. Bronze. Fonz.

I've actually been to Milwaukee, the Bradley Center, Miller Brewery....good times.

And, I did originally look at Wisconsin as a potential destination. I've since ruled it out because the closest major airport with direct flights from Des Moines...is Chicago...and there's no way I'm driving 1-3 hours (depending on time of the day and Chicago traffic) to Chicago every other weekend.

[Tony]

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Tony my boy...RELAX.

I'll be in the Midwest soon...I look forward to backing up my talk with actions very, very soon. I'm actually procrastinating from packing as we speak.

As to "easy centers"...AGAIN...it's very, very simple. Look at the averages on your league sheet...look at how many honor scores come from each center in your USBC...and if you see that most of the honor scores are coming from a specific center in your USBC...or a higher than reasonable amount....your center is "easier". It's not rocket science. In that other thread...you were talking about numerous 800 series and multiple 300 games per night...and EVERYONE (not just Aslan the hater)...responded in shock. You, of course, got your feelings hurt. I understand that.

I USED TO bowl at a very similar center in Orange County. I averaged 190-192...which was at LEAST 10-pins higher than my averages elsewhere...20 pins in one case. What did I do? Did I brag about how awesome I am that I can average in the 190s after only having started bowling a year prior? Nope. I left that center for good. Because I don't enjoy making bad shots and being rewarded for it. That's just me...I'm "unique" (nice way of saying it) in that I WANT to be challenged, and pushed, and sometimes, defeated. Pushing myself makes me a better bowler in the long run.

Is Iceman legitimately a 200+ average bowler capable of an 800 series every month or so? Probably not. But...maybe!? I bowled against him...I saw his physical game in person...and going by that data alone...he wasn't a "pro" by any means. He also was a rather "newer" bowler...still learning the game...but he does have a decent amount of natural ability and a great, admirable passion for the game. Could he legitimately now be on the verge of being a professional bowler? Perhaps. I'm sure I'll find out, God willing, soon enough. But if he's not...the I absolutely question the conditions at the center he bowls at...which, like your center, is one of the highest average, highest honor score centers in his USBC. Those are just facts....I can't change those facts even I wanted to. They are what they are. As I suggested to you in the other thread...try a different center once a week...maybe find a challenge/sport shot league to try...just to give you a different perspective. You might actually end up agreeing with me.

And that leads me to this "knowledge" debate. I didn't get to say my peace in the other thread before it got locked...so let me say it, briefly, here. There are ZERO bowlers at the professional level who are there SOLELY due to natural ability. Not ONE. Each month...for the last...over a year...I take lessons from one of the best coaches in the ENTIRE WORLD. Bowlers fly in and drive in from everywhere to take lessons from him. He coaches PBA National Tour bowlers. And he's helped me IMMENSELY with my physical game...of which I have very little "natural talent".

BUT...I also have taken lessons from RobM...and in addition to the help with my physical game, have learned a GREAT deal about bowling ball technology from him. I also take lessons from a PWBA bowler....and in addition to the help with my physical game, she has been absolutely crucial to my understanding of lane play, arsenal progression, and spare shooting.

Being "naturally gifted"...may help you get to a high level if you're throwing the ball 21mph, 2-handed, at a center where the ball hits the breakpoint and bounces off it like it his hitting a bumper...but you still have to know how to ADJUST...how to shoot spares consistently, what your equipment does or doesn't do, etc... I bowl against 200+ average bowlers 2-3 times a week....guys that have been bowling for 30+ years...some of them used to be PBA regional players...and I can't beat them on natural talent or experience.

But....how many times have I beaten them...because they absolutely refuse to move...and they have no idea what ball to switch to or (more importantly) WHY they are switching balls to begin with? Many, many times. Rob talks about it quite a bit...watching some very skilled bowlers...that stubbornly resist moving off the track. Of matter of fact, Rob talks about it SO much...that I sometimes wonder if he's not equally stubborn regarding playing the track at all...even when that's the best shot...but whatever.

Knowledge is power. And for those of us that aren't "naturally gifted bowlers"...that knowledge is a very useful tool when it comes to leveling the playing field. Recently, as I've continuously improved...some of these 200+ average bowlers have taken notice...and have EVEN come to ME...asking for advice!! Hey...I'm just as shocked as you are when it happens. I usually have to take a step back and pause before responding...because I don't think I'm good enough to coach toddlers...much less adults.

And...there's one other piece of PROOF that knowledge is power. I won $1555 at sweeps in March...in Vegas. And while I'm sure everyone in the league was pissed off about it...
1) Every time I go to sweeps, I arrive on Thursday...and I practice Thursday evening, Friday morning, and Friday evening.
2) I don't get drunk Friday night.
3) My KNOWLEDGE...and TRAINING...has allowed me to take my game from one center...to another center...a very different center...and still perform at a high level.

So, when these bowlers that bowl at ONE HOUSE....get hammered the night before sweeps to the point that they can barely get up the next day for sweeps...fail to practice at all on the lanes pre-sweeps...and are in the "natural talent" group that think knowledge is over-rated......end up losing $1555...I have ZERO remorse nor sympathy for them.

FWIW, I got the recap of the 300's and 800's for the year, we had 30 -300's and 11 - 800's, One bowler had 8, 300 games and 4, 800 series, he bowls in and has won PBA events. Another bowler had 4, 300 games, and 2, 800 series.
Take those 2 guys out of the mix and it doesn't look like all that outstanding.
There were several high scores during one period and indeed a number of weeks with a 300, if averaged out for the year 32 weeks 30 300 games, an average of nearly one a week, take out the 2 big scoring guys, we are down to 18, closer to one every other week.
That's 80 bowlers 32 week season.

Your knowledge argument sort of leans toward the absurd, eluding to the idea that with a high level of knowledge and very little natural talent that a person could be a top player, or due to knowing the difference between ball a and b that you deserve to score better than the other guy.
Bowling might possibly give a little more weight to knowledge that some sports but you need to have talent and knowledge.
Learn everything possible about basketball, would you then think, hey I can take on Labron in one on one, sure you can, and you'll be lucky to score a basket.

It's great that you've improved your game and continue to work on it, many other people are doing similar things with their game, boasting that you'll be 40 pins better bowling in the Midwest is simply appearing arrogant / over confident and setting yourself up to look like a fool when you don't succeed. (a pretty likely scenario) As a wise man once said better to keep your mouth shut and have them wonder if you're a fool than open your mouth and prove it to them.

It might be a better idea to keep the grandiose idea to yourself, and then when you find out you might be able to average 10 or 15 pins higher, a more attainable number, it looks like a pretty good accomplishment rather than a miserable failure. Just my .02

[J Anderson]

Also, that being said, I'm all for the 170 average guy that is trying to better his game. But don't tell me you'd give me lessons or any of that other BS. Obviously, if I'm 20 pins higher than you, I'm not taking any lessons from you lol

So how many rings did Micheal Jordan win before being coached by Phil Jackson?

Name any sport and the majority of the great coaches were good players who had a passion for the game and studied it to compensate for not having as much natural talent as the great players.

[chip82901]

Agreed...sort of...

But, I'm not a 170 bowler. I WAS a 170 bowler when I was defeated by Iceman in vegas...when Iceman was a 190+ bowler and refused to give me any handicap...but as my signature clearly states...I am now a upper 180s/low 190s bowler. I also am very transparent and post my USBC member number in my signature so everyone can verify/scrutinize me till their little hearts content. For some "strange reason", most of the bowlers on the site are afraid to put their USBC number anywhere on the site...in some cases (from a few years ago)...because they consider bowling a lot like "fishing" in terms of the stories they tell.

I COULD be a 200+ average bowler with one or more perfect games to my credit...if I wanted to bowl at the AMF center down the road...but I don't really see the point in that. Nowadays the USBC only gives you a ring for the first 300-game...so I'm gonna make mine legitimate. I want to look at that ring and KNOW...that it did NOT come easy. I don't want to look at it and think..."wow....I should turn pro! I have 5 300 rings despite being an 80% spare shooter who misses the pocket 1 out of every 3 strikes!"

And no...like most sane individuals...I am NOT moving to Wyoming. Is it better than riot-ridden Missouri? Probably. Actually, I've heard Wyoming is beautiful country and I like the fact that aren't a ton of people to ruin things...so I actually DID consider Wyoming as one of my possible destinations. But, like Missouri, my motivation for moving is to be close to my daughter...and she lives in central Iowa...so that's where I'm going. Maybe in 4-5 years when she goes away for college...but not before.

I looked you up by name. You can look up me by name too if you'd like. Or 7008-3 if you really want to. I'm just saying, if you think bowling down the street is that easy, do it and prove it. I'm always for people putting their money where their mouth is. I've had to do it myself. And yes, the one thing I absolutely love about WY is the fact that their isn't a lot of people, I'm 20 minutes away from my favorite fishing hole, and 20 minutes away from blasting that big 4x4 deer or 6x6 elk. Southern wyoming is a bit of a drag as it's mainly desert and wind, but the middle and northern half of the state are amazing. I may give people ****, but I feel I also have the ability to back it all up. Also, if I'm giving you ****, and you can dish it back out, we may just get along in the long run

[chip82901]

So how many rings did Micheal Jordan win before being coached by Phil Jackson?

Name any sport and the majority of the great coaches were good players who had a passion for the game and studied it to compensate for not having as much natural talent as the great players.

I may take advice from someone if they notice something, but that jab was mainly to the sniper on here. Ain't no way I'd even consider taking lessons from that dude lol