bowl1820
08-23-2017, 12:21 AM
Alright we had the organizational meeting for my Tuesday 2017-18 league, there were wigs on the green tonight.
Started off pretty smooth, just the basics. They raised the USBC dues to $21 ($13 National, $8 Local), Nobody particularly cared, Bowling($15) and sponsor($24) fees stayed the same as last year.
The big dust up was over handicap, Simply put what happened was a bowler made a motion to raise the base figure the handicap was based on from 230 to 260. So that the base was higher than the highest average on the league, which is what is usually recommended leagues should do.
He did a good presentation, he did what you should do to present your case for something. He researched it, planned what to say, made handouts. The only thing was he overlooked one important detail of the league! Which was what team handicap was based.
On this league individual handicap (90% of 230) was used for league awards only. But for team handicap,The handicap was based on 90% of team difference.
So his presentation was assuming team handicap was based on using the total of the individual handicaps. Which was the old way the league had done it, Before they they changed it to team difference.
He didn't realize if they passed his motion the way he presented it, it wouldn't have affected team handicap, Which was what he was trying to change.
Another bowler got up to question him about this motion, I had the feeling these two have had ""Discussions"" before about handicaps. This bowler started to mention the team difference problem and ask about it, but he had to bring up something else about handicap in the same breath.
This caused the discussion to start getting heated, pretty quick and it wound up ending and the team difference problem got overlooked.
Well I jumped in and was able to point out to him and everyone else, to do what he intended. They had to remove the rule about using team difference for team handicap, otherwise his change wouldn't affect the team handicap. (I think most didn't realize this till it got pointed out)
So the motion was altered , we had a vote, The league went back to using the individual handicap (90% of 260) system for team handicap.
I talked to the man that made the motion afterwards and he said yes he totally overlooked the team difference part and he had to go apologize to the other guy.
The last problem and I was waiting to see if anyone brought this up, had to do with a new USBC rule change.
The new USBC rule is:
100g Handicap
5. A handicap game or series shall not be capped unless otherwise provided by league rule. If a league
adopts such a rule, a game or series cannot be capped below the highest possible scratch score.
Well someone got up and made a motion to add such a cap on handicap games/series (@ 300 game / 900 Series), there was some discussion. But I don't think most understood what the full ramifications of this would be, the broad way it was worded.
So when I got my chance I got up and pointed how this didn't just affect league awards (High hdcp game), it could affect team wins and loss's also. Unless it was worded properly and specified just what the cap applied to.
Example:
Say Team "A" shoots a hdcp score of 1100 and Team "B" shoots a hdcp score of 1119, So team "B" wins by 19 pins here.
Now team "B" had a player that shot a 320 hdcp game. If they cap handicap games at 300, the team would lose 20 pins.
Now team "B" only has a 1099 score, so they lose by 1 pin now.
I think a lot leagues are not going to realize what can happen if they don't word their rule right about having a cap on handicap scores.
The vote on this didn't pass, The meeting wrapped and we were done
Started off pretty smooth, just the basics. They raised the USBC dues to $21 ($13 National, $8 Local), Nobody particularly cared, Bowling($15) and sponsor($24) fees stayed the same as last year.
The big dust up was over handicap, Simply put what happened was a bowler made a motion to raise the base figure the handicap was based on from 230 to 260. So that the base was higher than the highest average on the league, which is what is usually recommended leagues should do.
He did a good presentation, he did what you should do to present your case for something. He researched it, planned what to say, made handouts. The only thing was he overlooked one important detail of the league! Which was what team handicap was based.
On this league individual handicap (90% of 230) was used for league awards only. But for team handicap,The handicap was based on 90% of team difference.
So his presentation was assuming team handicap was based on using the total of the individual handicaps. Which was the old way the league had done it, Before they they changed it to team difference.
He didn't realize if they passed his motion the way he presented it, it wouldn't have affected team handicap, Which was what he was trying to change.
Another bowler got up to question him about this motion, I had the feeling these two have had ""Discussions"" before about handicaps. This bowler started to mention the team difference problem and ask about it, but he had to bring up something else about handicap in the same breath.
This caused the discussion to start getting heated, pretty quick and it wound up ending and the team difference problem got overlooked.
Well I jumped in and was able to point out to him and everyone else, to do what he intended. They had to remove the rule about using team difference for team handicap, otherwise his change wouldn't affect the team handicap. (I think most didn't realize this till it got pointed out)
So the motion was altered , we had a vote, The league went back to using the individual handicap (90% of 260) system for team handicap.
I talked to the man that made the motion afterwards and he said yes he totally overlooked the team difference part and he had to go apologize to the other guy.
The last problem and I was waiting to see if anyone brought this up, had to do with a new USBC rule change.
The new USBC rule is:
100g Handicap
5. A handicap game or series shall not be capped unless otherwise provided by league rule. If a league
adopts such a rule, a game or series cannot be capped below the highest possible scratch score.
Well someone got up and made a motion to add such a cap on handicap games/series (@ 300 game / 900 Series), there was some discussion. But I don't think most understood what the full ramifications of this would be, the broad way it was worded.
So when I got my chance I got up and pointed how this didn't just affect league awards (High hdcp game), it could affect team wins and loss's also. Unless it was worded properly and specified just what the cap applied to.
Example:
Say Team "A" shoots a hdcp score of 1100 and Team "B" shoots a hdcp score of 1119, So team "B" wins by 19 pins here.
Now team "B" had a player that shot a 320 hdcp game. If they cap handicap games at 300, the team would lose 20 pins.
Now team "B" only has a 1099 score, so they lose by 1 pin now.
I think a lot leagues are not going to realize what can happen if they don't word their rule right about having a cap on handicap scores.
The vote on this didn't pass, The meeting wrapped and we were done