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Phonetek

03-02-2018, 02:05 AM

I've been recording videos with our iPad of us bowling for the last couple of months. Unfortunately when my son records me he's all over the place. I've said in the past it's like watching COPS when they are chasing a perp. I have a full size and very expensive professional tripod I used to use with a digital camera to take pictures when I was an eBay consignment seller. Unfortunately I didn't have a way to mount a tablet to it. It will go as low to the ground as 1' 6" all the way up to 7' high

I did a search and I found a universal adapter to be able to mount the iPad on it. It works vertically and horizontally. Plus I have a Google Nexus 10 that will fit on it as well if need be or even a cell phone. I ordered it and should get it next week. This will be cool, I'll finally be able to get videos from any angle and any view. This is gonna be an immense help for my own bowling and a great tool when I get certified as a coach. Just what I wanted. It's only $7! I would have never thought.

If I wanted to there is a 3' wide space between our lanes 8 & 9 all the way down where there are pillars and where we keep the oiler I can set the tripod and get a front view from either of those lanes. This is ultra cool, I'm very excited about this. I can't wait until it gets here to try it out. Then I can finally post some videos of myself for your critique and of my son for advice.

boatman37

03-02-2018, 09:55 AM

A teammate told me about an app called Hudl Technique. It's free. i installed it on my phone but so far have only tested it on dumb stuff but looks really good. you can advance frame by frame

vdubtx

03-02-2018, 10:40 AM

Very cool Phonetek.

Yep, Hudl Technique is my app of choice(because it's free), con do some very good slow motion captures in HD and like boatman said, can advance it frame by frame if wanted to. I use this just about every time I go to practice to make sure I am identifying timing issues.

Phonetek

03-02-2018, 11:17 AM

OOOh definitely I'll install that! I usually throw the videos on a thumb drive and I can advance frame by frame right on the TV but it's not great.

JasonNJ

03-02-2018, 11:47 AM

I agree Hudl Technique is a great app. A must if you are going to be doing coaching.

Phonetek

03-06-2018, 05:47 PM

J Anderson

03-06-2018, 07:20 PM

Whoohoo! It came! It took about 30 seconds to put on my tripod and fits both the iPad and Google Nexus 10 perfectly. The tablet would be horizontal but my tripod can rotate 90 degrees if I really wanted it vertical. Since we review the video on the main TV it would be a lot of black area left and right recording vertical anyway. Horizontal it uses the full screen. I can't wait to use this.

Usually, a video taken from behind the bowler should be in portrait (vertical) mode, with the initial focus on the ball side shoulder. Side views should be landscape or horizontal and ideally should pan to keep the bowler in the center of the image.

Phonetek

03-06-2018, 07:41 PM

Usually, a video taken from behind the bowler should be in portrait (vertical) mode, with the initial focus on the ball side shoulder. Side views should be landscape or horizontal and ideally should pan to keep the bowler in the center of the image.

Yeah I don't think I'll be doing it vertical, it doesn't seem to fit quite tight enough that way like it will slip out. I'd rather not have it slam on the floor. I'm sure I can work around that and still get good vid from the rear view, may cut off the head but who wants to see that anyway. =)

BTW I downloaded that Hudl app. That looks pretty awesome too. I'll use that vs just the camera app on iPad, good for review using the iPad. I wonder what format it saves the videos in so I can still use them on the TV. My TV is rather picky about format .mov and some .flv's don't work. I never have problems with .mp4 & .avi files. It's not a big deal though, I have a converter that takes a few minutes unless it's a 2 hour video then it takes a while.

bowl1820

03-06-2018, 10:38 PM

Video Capture Tips for Bowling Analysis Videos

Post videos in real time so we can see your true tempo and cadence.

Use the cameras highest Frame Per Second (FPS) setting, this helps avoid motion blur and gives you better slow motion playback.
- Most video cameras shoot at 30fps (30 fps is the minimum you should use), your video should be exported at the same rate.

When posting online don't make the video too small or use too much compression as this will cause a loss of detail.

View #1: Directly Behind, Full Body
-Setup the camera directly behind your ball side arm, at a height of about 5' - 6' (when possible)
-Zoom out or move the camera back far enough to show you from head to toe at the beginning of your approach

View #2: Side View, Full Body
- Setup the camera a couple of lanes away, on your ball side
- Zoom out or move the camera far enough away that you can see your entire approach from start to finish
- If you can't get the camera far enough away, you can have a friend pan the camera to follow you during your approach

Optional View: Directly Behind, Zoomed Into Release
- This view can help determine what is happening right at the point of release
- This view can also help when determining Axis Tilt, Axis Rotation, and Rev Rate
- For calculating Rev's place a long piece of tape from your P.A.P. to above your fingers.

If your a right-handed bowler you should be videotaped on an even numbered lane and a left-handed bowler on an odd-numbered lane in order to keep the ball return from getting in the way of the camera.

Example Views:
http://s5.postimg.org/yq09osssn/viewsfb.jpg

Phonetek

03-07-2018, 11:34 PM

I was able to give it a shot tonight with taking videos on the tripod using Hudl Technique. That program works wonderfully. I was able to get some great footage from behind at 4' and then 10' high. I moved it in front of us which was an ultra cool view, I started up close then moved it a few feet back. I was unable to get any from the side because there was some goofs bowling two handed very poorly on one side and a pillar was in the way on the other side. Maybe next time. I almost brought it back by the pinsetter to get a front view from there. I don't think for coaching that view would help much but it would be fun nonetheless.

I have to do some editing though. Unfortunately the lane I was bowling on has had a bad rash of pin jams lately, mechanic has been trying to figure it out for two days. I had to stop 6 times and go in the back to fix jams. PITA but at least it was me and not customers. I didn't stop the recording so I'm not uploading you guys watching my feet behind the lane fixing it. My son wants me to upload one where I picked up a 6-7 split. I don't think I need to upload that, I'm sure you guys have seen that about a billion times LOL

I'm off tomorrow so I can edit it then. I was at the bowling alley from 8:30 am to 10 pm today between working and bowling, that's enough for one day.

Phonetek

03-08-2018, 05:13 PM

boatman37

03-08-2018, 09:25 PM

Sorry. Haven't used mine yet other than to see how it looks.

bowl1820

03-08-2018, 09:39 PM

J Anderson

03-08-2018, 10:28 PM

Okay Hudl is a great program but I cannot figure out how to get the videos off of the tablet and onto my PC. It apparently doesn't save them in the DCIM folder. I can't find them on neither the iPad nor the Android tablet, I took videos with both. The iPad shows that the internal storage has been used. You guys have any ideas how to get them off of these tablets so I can edit them?

One of the great things about having an app like Hudl or Coach’s Eye is the intant feedback. As you get more into coaching others, you will really appreciate being able to show a bowler how out of whack they are, and to be able to draw on the screen to show them how it should look. Admittedly, if you are doing video of yourself to analyze you might not want to stop to analyze while you’re still on the lane.

Phonetek

03-08-2018, 11:05 PM

One of the great things about having an app like Hudl or Coach’s Eye is the intant feedback. As you get more into coaching others, you will really appreciate being able to show a bowler how out of whack they are, and to be able to draw on the screen to show them how it should look. Admittedly, if you are doing video of yourself to analyze you might not want to stop to analyze while you’re still on the lane.

You're correct, when I'm doing them of myself I'll watch them after I get home. Before I go I try to have a plan on what to work on. When I review it, hopefully I did what I planned on and in the process didn't cause any new problems. I also depends on if I'm alone, if I am I may do it on the spot because I never try to be in a rush. Before working at a bowling alley and I was paying hourly obviously I'd try to bowl as much as I could. Now if a game takes me 45 minutes it takes 45 minutes, it's only 50 cents either way. Right now my stamina sucks anyway. 5 games yesterday, 4 today with wife and I'm beat.

Back on subject....I do like this hudl program a lot, combined with being able to put my tripod just about anywhere I want it's awesome. Plus having PinPal I really feel I got some great tools to work with. When I do coach I'll need to find something more robust than PinPal to track stats for multiple people. Only problem I had today with Hudl is that I ran out of space on the iPad so my recording today just errors out. I'm trying to do what Bowl said in the last post he put up and seeing if that works to get my videos off the iPad.

Phonetek

03-08-2018, 11:35 PM

ios download video

https://www.hudl.com/support/classic/watch-manage-video/manage-video/download-video-1#ios

I tried and I don't get that screen or all those icons on the side. All I have is "Video, Community, Team, Profile and Record" I'm thinking I have to "Go Elite" and pay the 7.99 a month or 49.99 a year to be able to do that. That kinda bites, I guess it's too good to be true for free. I'll have to think about it. In the meantime I'll just do what I've been doing. I'll use the regular recording iPad app if I want to save it and see it on the tv. Unless there is another app like it that is free but I doubt it.

vdubtx

03-09-2018, 12:53 AM

I tried and I don't get that screen or all those icons on the side. All I have is "Video, Community, Team, Profile and Record" I'm thinking I have to "Go Elite" and pay the 7.99 a month or 49.99 a year to be able to do that. That kinda bites, I guess it's too good to be true for free. I'll have to think about it. In the meantime I'll just do what I've been doing. I'll use the regular recording iPad app if I want to save it and see it on the tv. Unless there is another app like it that is free but I doubt it.
For a video you have recorded go to the Share option and "Save to Camera Roll". Then you go into your Photos app and the video is there.

Phonetek

03-09-2018, 02:21 AM

For a video you have recorded go to the Share option and "Save to Camera Roll". Then you go into your Photos app and the video is there.

Yeah it doesn't show up when you plug the tablet into a pc though.It creates a folder called ubersense and the "videos" are in there however they are all 0:00 long and blank when you open it with VLC so I don't understand that one. I figured it out though. It's a real PITA but I got them now. I had to share and email it to myself to gmail then sync that to google pictures then download them from there. So I have to upload them off the tablet to my email then sync, then download to pc. LOL Not exactly efficient way to go about it.

I think unless I NEED to use frame by frame I'll just stick with the regular basic video app. That way I just plug the tablet into laptop, open it as a drive. Drag the video over to the pc and done. I can then edit it or throw it on a thumb drive and pop it in my TV which does do slow motion anyway. Not as good as Hudl but enough for my purpose.