Electronic Bowling Vitals

[SRB57]

Hi All, I have a appointment tomorrow to have my bowling vitals read electronically. I will get my PAP,axis tilt,axis rotation,ball speed and rev rate. I guess there is a chip on a test ball that you throw and then a computer program deciphers it. I was wondering if anyone has had this done? Steve

[JerseyJim]

No, I would love to have it done as well. There is a guy running the pro shop at the alley that I'm at claiming that I really don't need that info. I was thinking of having a ball drilled by him, instead of my normal stand-alone pro shop that I go to. Now I'm a bit hesitant.

[J Anderson]

No, I would love to have it done as well. There is a guy running the pro shop at the alley that I'm at claiming that I really don't need that info. I was thinking of having a ball drilled by him, instead of my normal stand-alone pro shop that I go to. Now I'm a bit hesitant.

I would think at the very least he would need to measure your PAP. As long as you throw a ball with enough color variations to easily see the way the ball rotates on its axis, he can get a rough guess of rev rate, axis tilt and axis rotation.

[six6guy]

It would be interesting to have my info. I'm a full roller with a pretty high rev rate and a medium ball speed.

I was wondering if they couldn't just put special color/reflective stickers on your ball and get what they need from a video? Too simple? Or am I missing it?

Brad

[J Anderson]

It would be interesting to have my info. I'm a full roller with a pretty high rev rate and a medium ball speed.

I was wondering if they couldn't just put special color/reflective stickers on your ball and get what they need from a video? Too simple? Or am I missing it?

Brad

Yes, all of that can be figured out from the oil lines to get the PAP, and then videos with tape to get revs, rotation, and tilt. The electronic gizmo just makes it all a one step process.

I haven’t seen one of these, don’t know how accurate they are, or how often they need to be recalibrated.

[SRB57]

I had the session today and it was interesting. I warmed up with my ball and then we used a test ball with a very weak core. I got it fit to me and then through 18 shots with this electronic chip then a computer program deciphers the shots and gives you a average of your specs and how consistent you are. Now how accurate it is I don't know. My PAP was a bit different than what I have been using for drilling. What I need is a quarter scale so I can check it to see if correct. It was worth doing. Steve

[JerseyJim]

I would think at the very least he would need to measure your PAP. As long as you throw a ball with enough color variations to easily see the way the ball rotates on its axis, he can get a rough guess of rev rate, axis tilt and axis rotation.

I would think that would be a good starting point as well. The PSO that was there when I first started at that alley had a few suggestions. I was willing to get a ball or two drilled by him. He retired due to health reasons. Then this guy opens a new shop in his place. Some people swear by the new guy, however I think I'll stick with the kid who was trained by my favorite driller. It's just not too convenient for me to get to his shop,

[boatman37]

I had the session today and it was interesting. I warmed up with my ball and then we used a test ball with a very weak core. I got it fit to me and then through 18 shots with this electronic chip then a computer program deciphers the shots and gives you a average of your specs and how consistent you are. Now how accurate it is I don't know. My PAP was a bit different than what I have been using for drilling. What I need is a quarter scale so I can check it to see if correct. It was worth doing. Steve

So what were the results? And it would be interesting if you had your PSO check them then compare the numbers.

[SRB57]

So what were the results? And it would be interesting if you had your PSO check them then compare the numbers.

I am going to verify these numbers some how. My rev rate seems low at 222 with a 15.1 mph ball speed but may be right. My axis tilt was 13.3 and 61.9 axis rotation. my last check of my PAP was 5 1/4 over 3/8 up and bowler id shows 4 9/16 over 1 3/16 up. I had a lot more power when I was younger and did not realized I had gone down this much. The good news is I am at an elite level {His Words} as far as repeating shots an speed control so I got that going for me. I am going to try and get some film on my ball with the tape method to verify rev rate and speed. Steve

[boatman37]

I am going to verify these numbers some how. My rev rate seems low at 222 with a 15.1 mph ball speed but may be right. My axis tilt was 13.3 and 61.9 axis rotation. my last check of my PAP was 5 1/4 over 3/8 up and bowler id shows 4 9/16 over 1 3/16 up. I had a lot more power when I was younger and did not realized I had gone down this much. The good news is I am at an elite level {His Words} as far as repeating shots an speed control so I got that going for me. I am going to try and get some film on my ball with the tape method to verify rev rate and speed. Steve

Cool. I generically calculated my rev rate awhile back and came up with about 325 but checked another video from a couple months ago and it was more like 275. But I recently modified my release and watching rev rate videos mine looks closer to the ones they show at about 350 so who knows. None of those were very accurate calculations so probably somewhere in there. Once I get more consistent with my new release I'm going to try to get a better video and more accurate calculations. I can't find the video I had with the tape on the ball but that was awhile ago. I know my axis rotation had to have changed with my new release but I never knew what it was before anyway. I do know my speed is pretty high. Our sensors show anywhere between about 16.5 and 18.5 at the pins. I times it and it's about 2.23 seconds from release to pins and I'm quite a bi faster than most in our league.

[SRB57]

I was in league last night and was against a couple of the best in the league after the match I asked if I looked like a low rev player and without hesitation said absolutely not. So I and questioning how accurate my results were. I also talked to my PSO and he said those sensors can get knocked out of wack and need to be re calibrated. I have got to do some manual checking to verify this. Oh by the way I beat both the higher average guys last night!! Steve

[SRB57]

Was able to take some video with my phone and a old handy cam digital recorder. When I counted revolutions off my hand 14-15 and time to from hand to pins 2.7 sec. using the chart storm has my rev rate is 311-333 which a lot different than bowler i.d. registered which was 222. I just want something accurate so I can get a proper ball layout. Steve

[boatman37]

Cool. I heard of another method where you only count the first 1 second or something and check the clock position of the tape. Can't remember how you do it for sure but think I found it through a posting on here.

[JasonNJ]

Were you measured with Bowler ID from Ebonite? I heard it may not be that accurate and they've had a lot of issues with it. I went to a bowling clinic one time and they were supposed to offer it but they couldn't get the darn thing working.

[SRB57]

Yes it was bowler id by power house which is ebonite. I should have used the money toward a quarter scale and used video tape for results. Between the tape I did, better bowlers in my league and my PSO I got to believe my results vs bowler i.d. If I were to pursue bowler i.d. any further I may take a old white dot I have and have the hole put in for the sensor to try again but the video tape is accurate. Steve