Update on the new job search....

[Phonetek]

I decided to start a new thread because the other one was a little lengthy. (not unusual for me of course)

So, I have in fact chosen a place. I've had multiple offers, some more motivated than others. The one I chose is of course the one for the most money of course but also the one where I can be the most diverse. I don't want to be a one trick pony. I want to go somewhere where I can take what I have learned not just from my current center but everything as a whole. To where it will benefit the owner as well as myself the most and I appeared to have found that.

It's a done deal, I just have to go down to get some administrative stuff done and then I'm coming back to give my notice where I'm at. It sounds like within 3 weeks or so I'll be able to get started, 4 at the most. I will be very busy to say the least and be doing something of everything. Doing things from fixing pinsetters, revamping the food and drink menus, changing the pricing structure, managing operations and even going out in the field to bring in new clientele and planning events. This guy really needs the help, he's gotta a lot tied up in the place and he's overwhelmed.

I'm very confident that I can be what he needs. I don't know everything and I can't solve every problem but I think he knows that. There will be a learning curve with his scoring and POS system and the way they do things. Some things are going to be trial and error and mistakes will be made. However, if he wants someone perfect God already has a job. He's wide open to new ideas and he's willing to invest money where it's needed even if some things may be risky. If you take no risk then you get no gains playing it safe. He's on board, also willing to give me a lot of latitude so I'm very excited.

[Amyers]

Congrats Phonetek

[Phonetek]

Thank you. =) I'm eager to get started and glad I'm finally going to be able to provide my family with something more than a mediocre existence for a change.


You know...I wonder how many people and not just on here think that I am simply ridiculous and crazy? I mean if you think about it, how many people do you know especially my age group who would be absolutely elated like they've accomplished their life's goal by getting a job at a bowling alley? I must sound certifiable so I have to laugh at myself just a little.

[mc_runner]

Congrats! Sounds like you're going to have a lot of say in the overall direction of the center moving forward - exciting stuff.

[Phonetek]

LOL As you already know, I'm never someone who doesn't ever have a lot to say about anything. Yes, the outlook looks good. =)

[JasonNJ]

Very cool. Good luck with the new job and move. I'm sure you'll do great.

[boatman37]

Sounds great. And you know what they say. If you do something you love you never work a day in your life. And this brings up a point mentioned at a charity event I was at yesterday. We have a boat we keep at a marina all summer. My mother and step-father have a boat at a marina up the river from us. The owners bought it off a husband and wife a few years ago. The new owners 16 year old daughter killed herself a few months ago so they created a charity and had a big event yesterday. The previous owner (who has tons of money) spent alot. They auctioned a guitar autographed by Alice Cooper and he spent $600 winning it then donated it to a local musical school. He also bought all of the food for the event. He also had about a 50' ship that had spent over 100 years under water. They refurbished it and used it yesterday. It was very nice. So he spoke yesterday and said people asked him why he spent so much. His reply was money is not life and life is not money. Some things are more important.

[J Daisy]

Nice! The job sounds like a dream come true for you. I hope that everything turns out to be as great as you make it sound!

Working at a bowling center has always sounded like a great job to me. I don't think it's crazy at all for you to be excited about this new opportunity. I would be, too. :)

[Phonetek]

I hope so too. It's one of those jobs that you'll either love it or hate it so I've come to realize. It will never make anyone rich doing it though. My friend told me that there is nothing wrong with being excited about something you are obviously passionate about. That just means your more likely to be successful at it. I never thought of it as being passionate but he said then I'm the only one that doesn't realize that because it's as plain as day to everyone else. LOL

[J Daisy]

I hope so too. It's one of those jobs that you'll either love it or hate it so I've come to realize. It will never make anyone rich doing it though. My friend told me that there is nothing wrong with being excited about something you are obviously passionate about. That just means your more likely to be successful at it. I never thought of it as being passionate but he said then I'm the only one that doesn't realize that because it's as plain as day to everyone else. LOL

I always am glad to see people who are passionate about something. There are too many people out there who don't have passion for anything. I pity those people.

I'm so glad that you are able to follow your passion at the new bowling alley!

[Phonetek]

So I'm heading down there next Thursday 8/1 and it can't come soon enough. I'm getting home Wed night after close, getting a few hours of sleep and jumping in the car at about 4 am. for the 9 hour drive. Gonna meet up with the owner, fill out some paperwork, tour the facility and cruise around town to check things out. I'll be leaving to come back that night. I'll probably stop at a rest area and get a few winks in that retched car and probably be back Friday afternoon.

My mind is racing to the point I can hardly sleep or think about anything else. I end up thinking so much (especially in bed) to the point I have to get up and write down notes just so I can get the ideas out of my head so I can possibly sleep. I have two legal pads filled to the brim of stuff. So many ideas in fact that I'm literally overwhelming myself because of it. I guess it's better than being clueless? I think this guy is going to be quite happy with the things I have come up with. Personally I think he's out of ideas which is why he needs me to begin with. This is going to be a long week of anticipation to say the least.

[J Daisy]

So I'm heading down there next Thursday 8/1 and it can't come soon enough. I'm getting home Wed night after close, getting a few hours of sleep and jumping in the car at about 4 am. for the 9 hour drive. Gonna meet up with the owner, fill out some paperwork, tour the facility and cruise around town to check things out. I'll be leaving to come back that night. I'll probably stop at a rest area and get a few winks in that retched car and probably be back Friday afternoon.

My mind is racing to the point I can hardly sleep or think about anything else. I end up thinking so much (especially in bed) to the point I have to get up and write down notes just so I can get the ideas out of my head so I can possibly sleep. I have two legal pads filled to the brim of stuff. So many ideas in fact that I'm literally overwhelming myself because of it. I guess it's better than being clueless? I think this guy is going to be quite happy with the things I have come up with. Personally I think he's out of ideas which is why he needs me to begin with. This is going to be a long week of anticipation to say the least.

It's great that you think he'll be the type to take your ideas and feedback and run with it! I've always thought it would be amazing if more bowling alleys had car shows. How cool would that be? I went to my local bowling alley with that idea, and they rejected it with hardly a thought. What do you think?

[Phonetek]

It's great that you think he'll be the type to take your ideas and feedback and run with it! I've always thought it would be amazing if more bowling alleys had car shows. How cool would that be? I went to my local bowling alley with that idea, and they rejected it with hardly a thought. What do you think?

Oh he's open to new ides, he already said that and he's going to give me a lot of latitude. Funny you mention the car show thing. That was already in my legal pad. LMAO. He's gotta huge parking lot and a resource definitely that can be used that he's NOT using. Advertised properly it can get butts in the seats. The "Show & Bowl" =) I'm way ahead of you. I'm not sure how many of the gear heads I'll get in there but the spectators would likely come in. Having on a hot day with a great beer special, I'm sure I can get people to come in for a nice cold one at the very least.

[J Daisy]

Oh he's open to new ides, he already said that and he's going to give me a lot of latitude. Funny you mention the car show thing. That was already in my legal pad. LMAO. He's gotta huge parking lot and a resource definitely that can be used that he's NOT using. Advertised properly it can get butts in the seats. The "Show & Bowl" =) I'm way ahead of you. I'm not sure how many of the gear heads I'll get in there but the spectators would likely come in. Having on a hot day with a great beer special, I'm sure I can get people to come in for a nice cold one at the very least.

More ideas from a car show nut:

Fridays would be a good day to have the show, because that way it is more likely that there isn't another car show going on the same day somewhere else. And you can offer discounts and/or goody bags to folks who bring pre-1980s cars, if you are worried about not enough cool cars showing up. You can raffle of gift cards, too. And you can have it go on until late at night, like they used to in the old days, before they ended at six o'clock like they do today.

[Phonetek]

I just have to do my research and find a car club and contact who's in charge to bring them in. Somehow I don't think down in TN there would be a shortage of classics, they aren't exactly in the rust belt like I am now in the midwest. Yeah, I'll find a way to make it both a car show and bowling event. I just have to put some thought into it. Right now everything is just "raw ideas", I haven't worked out the fine details just yet on most just yet. I'm not going to bother with that until I get the green light. Like I said, he's giving me a lot of latitude and will most likely get the green light with most things. I have enough to make convincing arguments and raise an eyebrow though.

The car show idea is a good one not only because he's got a huge parking lot but it's also on a main street in town. It WILL attract attention to the center. That alone should be enough to get the go ahead. Getting people there to recognize the center is half the battle. Now, once there I just have to get them in the door. He's got DJ equipment so, if I can DJ the even then leave it to me. I'll get them in there! LOL I have DJ experience, although from the days of vinyl, experience is experience and I am by no means mic shy by any stretch.

[J Daisy]

I just have to do my research and find a car club and contact who's in charge to bring them in. Somehow I don't think down in TN there would be a shortage of classics, they aren't exactly in the rust belt like I am now in the midwest. Yeah, I'll find a way to make it both a car show and bowling event. I just have to put some thought into it. Right now everything is just "raw ideas", I haven't worked out the fine details just yet on most just yet. I'm not going to bother with that until I get the green light. Like I said, he's giving me a lot of latitude and will most likely get the green light with most things. I have enough to make convincing arguments and raise an eyebrow though.

The car show idea is a good one not only because he's got a huge parking lot but it's also on a main street in town. It WILL attract attention to the center. That alone should be enough to get the go ahead. Getting people there to recognize the center is half the battle. Now, once there I just have to get them in the door. He's got DJ equipment so, if I can DJ the even then leave it to me. I'll get them in there! LOL I have DJ experience, although from the days of vinyl, experience is experience and I am by no means mic shy by any stretch.

I'm glad you like the car show idea. :)

Music can make any event a hit, especially pre-1980s rock 'n' roll. It adds a nice, classic, fun feel. Also, I noticed that people tend to bowl more and faster with good music playing, and they tend to have more fun doing it. I think music would be a great touch... Not even just for car shows, but any kind of event.

[Phonetek]

Agreed. It's been my observation that they don't necessarily bowl faster but do bowl longer. If I want people to stay, as much as I despite loud music while bowling and cosmic, I'll do both. They are more relaxed, and tend to drink more, hence I make better tips. On nights where I've had enough with the place and would rather be at home I'll be sure to have regular lights on and low volume boring music or none at all. Lol

Some nights I just can't stomach the cosmic lights though. They aren't really disco like or anything, merely some black lights and rope lights on the gutters. I just get tired of staring out looking at it. However, when I'm in the party mood....look out! People ARE going to have a good time guaranteed. I don't get in the "blah" mood very often though and I like money so those days are few and far between.

[J Daisy]

Agreed. It's been my observation that they don't necessarily bowl faster but do bowl longer. If I want people to stay, as much as I despite loud music while bowling and cosmic, I'll do both. They are more relaxed, and tend to drink more, hence I make better tips. On nights where I've had enough with the place and would rather be at home I'll be sure to have regular lights on and low volume boring music or none at all. Lol

Some nights I just can't stomach the cosmic lights though. They aren't really disco like or anything, merely some black lights and rope lights on the gutters. I just get tired of staring out looking at it. However, when I'm in the party mood....look out! People ARE going to have a good time guaranteed. I don't get in the "blah" mood very often though and I like money so those days are few and far between.

I personally love the blacklights. Maybe an improved lighting system can be one of the one hundred ideas that you run past him, haha.

When the blacklights are on at my local alley, there are actually glowing guidelines that appear on the lane, which I find very helpful.

[Phonetek]

I'm not sure what the cosmic lights are like at the new center since I haven't seen it in person yet. As long as they aren't equipped with strobes, those give me a headache. Not to mention I have a seizure disorder but fortunately am not photosensitive where that would trigger one. That doesn't mean customers wouldn't be so why take the chance of someone dropping on the lanes from them. That's not good for business.

[J Daisy]

I'm not sure what the cosmic lights are like at the new center since I haven't seen it in person yet. As long as they aren't equipped with strobes, those give me a headache. Not to mention I have a seizure disorder but fortunately am not photosensitive where that would trigger one. That doesn't mean customers wouldn't be so why take the chance of someone dropping on the lanes from them. That's not good for business.

Indeed, I would imagine not!

[Aslan]

If ya want to move to Iowa and work for $16/hr...I know a center that is complaining they just can't find good help.

[Phonetek]

If ya want to move to Iowa and work for $16/hr...I know a center that is complaining they just can't find good help.


Now if I had that offer 6-8 months ago I probably would have gave that some serious consideration. Probably taken them up on it...there would be no way now to convince wifey to move anywhere but TN where her mother is going. Honestly, 16/hr to start isn't all that bad an offer but where I'm going it's somewhat better plus some good perks. I don't know what position they are offering to hire someone for that 16/hr if that's management or a lesser position. If it's lesser then that's pretty damn good money for a bowling center and they SHOULD be able to find some quality people for it.

Where I'm currently at we have a high turnover rate as do many bowling centers simply because they don't pay enough. The other reason is a majority of the help tends to be young teens which for the most part are jobs not many adults are going to want. How many adults are going to want to come in for the sole purpose of working birthday parties as a "party assistant"? They come in, work a part or two for minimum wage. They deal with a hoard of screaming kids for a couple hours and go on their way. Now that said, they do make some killer tips if they are good at it. I've seen plenty where they make a couple to a few hundred bucks tip just for 2 hours and barely did anything. On the same token I've seen them work their butts off for that same two hours and get stiffed.

The bad thing with the young teens is it's either their first job or summer job. They have school to contend with so getting the hours out of them you need them for is difficult. At that age they don't yet have a "work ethic" which makes them lazy, undependable and sometimes belligerent. It's hard to motivate them, get them to not call off and keep them off their freaking cell phones! Most of all, they know that can quit tomorrow and go to McDonald's and make $10 when they are getting paid minimum wage with us. In reality you'll only find one out of 20 teens that are going to work out and stick around for a few years, at least until they go to college. It would be extremely rare for one to stay to transition to higher titles post the 21 age.

With adults we've hired I come to find that first they don't like the pay and usually complain about tips. They always start out saying "I'm always available" then after a month or so "Oh I can't work Saturdays". Then it's "Well, now I can't work nights" or the worst ones "I can ONLY work weekends" which is usually because they know tips suck during the week and they want to only work the days when they know they are good. Bottom line is with adults it always boils down to money and really the money IS NOT enough for a family to get by on. If they aren't single adults with no kids, you really aren't going to survive or live well with what a bowling center currently offers.

From a proprietors perspective given the current state of bowling, how can they really afford to pay competitive rates? It's a double edged sword. You pay crap you get crappy people but pay your bills. You pay well and get better people and you're in the red unless they are willing to go above and beyond to bring in clientele. See I'm an odd case. If you look back in my posts before I got this job, I simply NEEDED a job. To save you the search Aslan because you weren't around when I joined... I was a career telephone technician and field operations manager. It was a high paying job for a long time. Technology advanced, I didn't and my skill set turned to being outdated. Now someone with my skills is getting paid 14/hr. using a personal vehicle, tools, phone and also constantly working out of state. Not a chance would I think of doing that. If you work the numbers I'd be making less than minimum wage factoring in vehicle wear and tear and other expensive in addition to never being home with my wife and kids. The tax write off's aren't enough to make it worth wild missing out on my kids childhood.

So I had to do something. Wife was ready to make me go to Walmart, McDonalds or work on the docs of some warehouse all what I personally consider to be "suck jobs". My pride wouldn't allow me to do that. That's when the bowling center came to mind. Why not? I love bowling, I did some pinchasing as a youth so it sounded like a good idea. It took going to 3 different centers before I got into this one. Since I wasn't going to be able to do what I always knew being a telecom technician I decided I should do something that was at least fun for crap money vs. a suck job. Obviously I made the right decision. If I didn't enjoy what I do and have the fun I have I simply wouldn't do it for the money I make here in IL.

It wasn't until recently I found that we aren't going to make it here if I stay where I'm at. With the state taxes going sky high, gas prices doing the same and the area we live costing so much there is NO WAY to stay. Even if where I'm at gave me a significant increase it wouldn't be enough. They'd have to pay way more than they'd be willing for me to stay. Even if I found a place that's affordable it would be much too far away from work to make the commute worth wild. Going down south is the only answer. I don't need what I would to stay here and the cost of living is much less. As it turns out I will be making significantly more than I make now and be paying less to live there so for me it's win win. Factor in that I get to continue to do what I love with more room for growth then it's win x4.

I had to work hard, have a work ethic, care about my work & customers and have the drive to pull it though. I don't want to toot my own horn but I don't think you're realistically going to find too many adults out there that are going it to do at a bowling center like I did? Let along struggle through the length of time I have in order to do it? Not from the employees and applicants I have seen. My wife has hated the fact that I took this job because of the pay but because she has seen how happy I have been since I've worked here she would never make me quit doing it. Which brings us all the way back around to your original statement of "they just can't find good help". As I said, I'm an odd case and FOR ME it's working out but it's not for everyone. I'm 48 yrs old, I'm too old to start over with a "new" career and frankly don't have the drive and interest to go and do it. However, I do have the drive to take my current career to the next level and be the best at it as I can be. Not only for myself but now for my family.

One day, my goal is to own a bowling center. An obvious financial impossibility on my own. Can I RUN a bowling center? ABSOLUTELY NO FREAKIN DOUBT, HANDS DOWN YES! Will it happen? I'd like to believe that it will, provided I meet the right people and they are convinced enough for the initial investment I could pull it off. Time will tell on that one. I was close once already with the one in Florida, unfortunately it turned out to be a lemon. Those people are not people I'm deleting from my contacts list. Who knows, maybe it could still happen with them only in TN instead? Time will tell.

So there you have it Aslan, an "Aslan length reply" just for you. I took the liberty since I am the OP. Ironically for one of your rare ONE sentence comments. How does it feel? LMAO =) Just teasing, hopefully it was worth the read.

[J Daisy]

Now if I had that offer 6-8 months ago I probably would have gave that some serious consideration. Probably taken them up on it...there would be no way now to convince wifey to move anywhere but TN where her mother is going. Honestly, 16/hr to start isn't all that bad an offer but where I'm going it's somewhat better plus some good perks. I don't know what position they are offering to hire someone for that 16/hr if that's management or a lesser position. If it's lesser then that's pretty damn good money for a bowling center and they SHOULD be able to find some quality people for it.

Where I'm currently at we have a high turnover rate as do many bowling centers simply because they don't pay enough. The other reason is a majority of the help tends to be young teens which for the most part are jobs not many adults are going to want. How many adults are going to want to come in for the sole purpose of working birthday parties as a "party assistant"? They come in, work a part or two for minimum wage. They deal with a hoard of screaming kids for a couple hours and go on their way. Now that said, they do make some killer tips if they are good at it. I've seen plenty where they make a couple to a few hundred bucks tip just for 2 hours and barely did anything. On the same token I've seen them work their butts off for that same two hours and get stiffed.

The bad thing with the young teens is it's either their first job or summer job. They have school to contend with so getting the hours out of them you need them for is difficult. At that age they don't yet have a "work ethic" which makes them lazy, undependable and sometimes belligerent. It's hard to motivate them, get them to not call off and keep them off their freaking cell phones! Most of all, they know that can quit tomorrow and go to McDonald's and make $10 when they are getting paid minimum wage with us. In reality you'll only find one out of 20 teens that are going to work out and stick around for a few years, at least until they go to college. It would be extremely rare for one to stay to transition to higher titles post the 21 age.

With adults we've hired I come to find that first they don't like the pay and usually complain about tips. They always start out saying "I'm always available" then after a month or so "Oh I can't work Saturdays". Then it's "Well, now I can't work nights" or the worst ones "I can ONLY work weekends" which is usually because they know tips suck during the week and they want to only work the days when they know they are good. Bottom line is with adults it always boils down to money and really the money IS NOT enough for a family to get by on. If they aren't single adults with no kids, you really aren't going to survive or live well with what a bowling center currently offers.

From a proprietors perspective given the current state of bowling, how can they really afford to pay competitive rates? It's a double edged sword. You pay crap you get crappy people but pay your bills. You pay well and get better people and you're in the red unless they are willing to go above and beyond to bring in clientele. See I'm an odd case. If you look back in my posts before I got this job, I simply NEEDED a job. To save you the search Aslan because you weren't around when I joined... I was a career telephone technician and field operations manager. It was a high paying job for a long time. Technology advanced, I didn't and my skill set turned to being outdated. Now someone with my skills is getting paid 14/hr. using a personal vehicle, tools, phone and also constantly working out of state. Not a chance would I think of doing that. If you work the numbers I'd be making less than minimum wage factoring in vehicle wear and tear and other expensive in addition to never being home with my wife and kids. The tax write off's aren't enough to make it worth wild missing out on my kids childhood.

So I had to do something. Wife was ready to make me go to Walmart, McDonalds or work on the docs of some warehouse all what I personally consider to be "suck jobs". My pride wouldn't allow me to do that. That's when the bowling center came to mind. Why not? I love bowling, I did some pinchasing as a youth so it sounded like a good idea. It took going to 3 different centers before I got into this one. Since I wasn't going to be able to do what I always knew being a telecom technician I decided I should do something that was at least fun for crap money vs. a suck job. Obviously I made the right decision. If I didn't enjoy what I do and have the fun I have I simply wouldn't do it for the money I make here in IL.

It wasn't until recently I found that we aren't going to make it here if I stay where I'm at. With the state taxes going sky high, gas prices doing the same and the area we live costing so much there is NO WAY to stay. Even if where I'm at gave me a significant increase it wouldn't be enough. They'd have to pay way more than they'd be willing for me to stay. Even if I found a place that's affordable it would be much too far away from work to make the commute worth wild. Going down south is the only answer. I don't need what I would to stay here and the cost of living is much less. As it turns out I will be making significantly more than I make now and be paying less to live there so for me it's win win. Factor in that I get to continue to do what I love with more room for growth then it's win x4.

I had to work hard, have a work ethic, care about my work & customers and have the drive to pull it though. I don't want to toot my own horn but I don't think you're realistically going to find too many adults out there that are going it to do at a bowling center like I did? Let along struggle through the length of time I have in order to do it? Not from the employees and applicants I have seen. My wife has hated the fact that I took this job because of the pay but because she has seen how happy I have been since I've worked here she would never make me quit doing it. Which brings us all the way back around to your original statement of "they just can't find good help". As I said, I'm an odd case and FOR ME it's working out but it's not for everyone. I'm 48 yrs old, I'm too old to start over with a "new" career and frankly don't have the drive and interest to go and do it. However, I do have the drive to take my current career to the next level and be the best at it as I can be. Not only for myself but now for my family.

One day, my goal is to own a bowling center. An obvious financial impossibility on my own. Can I RUN a bowling center? ABSOLUTELY NO FREAKIN DOUBT, HANDS DOWN YES! Will it happen? I'd like to believe that it will, provided I meet the right people and they are convinced enough for the initial investment I could pull it off. Time will tell on that one. I was close once already with the one in Florida, unfortunately it turned out to be a lemon. Those people are not people I'm deleting from my contacts list. Who knows, maybe it could still happen with them only in TN instead? Time will tell.

So there you have it Aslan, an "Aslan length reply" just for you. I took the liberty since I am the OP. Ironically for one of your rare ONE sentence comments. How does it feel? LMAO =) Just teasing, hopefully it was worth the read.

Wow. Generally speaking, people publish books like this. ;) IS there a word limit? If there was, I think you would have found it by now, haha.

Seriously, have you considered writing a memoir or biography? You write well.

[Phonetek]

No I haven't. You're not the first person to ask even on this forum. I only write well because I've been doing chat and forums since the late 80's. I've also been a mod on some forums and was a creator and Admin of several Facebook groups. None of which I do now. By NOT writing well it was very easy to offend people by accident so I learned to be clear and concise to avoid damage control. I also learned to slow down and not be in a hurry to click "Send" and reread it first. Making sure what I said is taken the way I intended it to. I'm just well disciplined and don't like to sound like an idiot and certainly don't want to accidentally offend people. On purpose is another story.

I like to think I'm equally as good vocally.

I do have a friend who I live chat with frequently. When I reply with replies of great length he takes great pleasure in responding by saying things like "K" or "Ya". He knows it makes my skin crawl. LOL In order to keep this "G" rated I'll forego mentioning what my responses are but I'm sure you can imagine.

[Aslan]

I only write well because I've been doing chat and forums since the late 80's.
They had chat and forums in the 80s...before there was internet and home computers???


IS there a word limit?
There used to be.

Maybe after Iceman left they figured they didn't need it anymore.

[Phonetek]

They had chat and forums in the 80s...before there was internet and home computers???


LOL No chat as we know it now until things like Compuserve and AOL and some others which was early 90's. "Forums" back then in the 80's were actually on what we called BBS's (Bulletin Board Services) and you needed dial up access to them and you needed the phone number to do so. I'd call them forums using the term loosely. Also, yes there were "home computers" in the 80's. They were large, slow and expensive. I had my first real home computer in 1988 which was a Macintosh and I still have it and it still works today. It better for $13,000. So short answer, yes these things existed but were far less common.

[Phonetek]

I am a little disturbed that out of that entire post that the only comment is about the forums in the 80's and character limits LOL What do I have to do to get you talking?

[J Anderson]

I am a little disturbed that out of that entire post that the only comment is about the forums in the 80's and character limits LOL What do I have to do to get you talking?

When the post is that long can there be anything left to say?

Seriously, no matter where you go you’re likely to run into the same situation. 20 years ago a friend of ours who ran his own business repeated a conversation he had with another friend who ran a small retail business. The gist of it was anyone willing to work for what his friend could afford to pay was either too stupid to run the cash register, or robbed him blind if not constantly supervised.

I also hear a lot of grumbling from the staff at one of the local centers. The owner has spent a fair amount of money in the past few years, mostly necessary like replacing the scoring consoles that would lock up and if you called the desk for help some one would come over and give the console a sharp rap to get it working again, or remodeling the bar so it doesn’t look like you’ve time warped back to 1969. I know that in the fall we’re going to find the lineage has gone up another 50 cents. I hope at least some of it goes in the employee’s pockets.

[J Daisy]

When the post is that long can there be anything left to say?

Seriously, no matter where you go you’re likely to run into the same situation. 20 years ago a friend of ours who ran his own business repeated a conversation he had with another friend who ran a small retail business. The gist of it was anyone willing to work for what his friend could afford to pay was either too stupid to run the cash register, or robbed him blind if not constantly supervised.

I also hear a lot of grumbling from the staff at one of the local centers. The owner has spent a fair amount of money in the past few years, mostly necessary like replacing the scoring consoles that would lock up and if you called the desk for help some one would come over and give the console a sharp rap to get it working again, or remodeling the bar so it doesn’t look like you’ve time warped back to 1969. I know that in the fall we’re going to find the lineage has gone up another 50 cents. I hope at least some of it goes in the employee’s pockets.

Wait... Time warped back to the sixties? Yeah man, I'm in, sign me up. Fifties would be better, but I'll settle for the sixties. It's better than the here and now, at least for an old soul like me.

And Phonetek, apparently all you need to do to get people talking is ask them what you need to do to get people talking. :)

[Phonetek]

When the post is that long can there be anything left to say?

Seriously, no matter where you go you’re likely to run into the same situation. 20 years ago a friend of ours who ran his own business repeated a conversation he had with another friend who ran a small retail business. The gist of it was anyone willing to work for what his friend could afford to pay was either too stupid to run the cash register, or robbed him blind if not constantly supervised.

I also hear a lot of grumbling from the staff at one of the local centers. The owner has spent a fair amount of money in the past few years, mostly necessary like replacing the scoring consoles that would lock up and if you called the desk for help some one would come over and give the console a sharp rap to get it working again, or remodeling the bar so it doesn’t look like you’ve time warped back to 1969. I know that in the fall we’re going to find the lineage has gone up another 50 cents. I hope at least some of it goes in the employee’s pockets.

You were still able to come up with something to say. LOL I agree 100% J, like I said it's a catch 22 for the owners. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. It's the day and age we live in and there isn't much you can do about it. Nothing wrong with starting everyone out paying low BUT if they do turn out to be good which can be determined quite quick you have to open up the pockets to give them what they deserve to keep them around.