Tried getting my PAP tonight

[boatman37]

Tried getting my PAP but not much luck. Set up my phone to record. Think the PAP is pretty close at 4.75x .25 up. Put a sticker there and it looked like it was pretty close on the recording. As a lefty my PAP looks like about 20* tilt and 55* rotation. Sound somewhat reasonable? Not so sure how accurate those are. Tried using the track method to measure my tilt but I tried 3 different balls and not a drop of oil on any of them. Oddly my buddy was also there and his ball had a nice track using the same lanes as me. I tried my Conspiracy solid with a duller finish, my Uppercut with a little shine and my T-Zone plastic ball. No oil at all on any of them. I even tried throwing right down the middle to hit the oil and still nothing.
I used Hudl Technique for recording and every video looks like 12 rotations and it took about 2.5 to 2.7 seconds to go from my hand to the head pin so about 17 MPH based on charts I found. That only translates to about 275 RPM which doesn't seem right.

I don't know much about what these numbers mean as far as what it should or shouldn't do because of them.

Plan to get it checked by a pro soon just so I have these numbers and can be confident they are accurate. Once I get those numbers I want to see if they can check my current ones that I use and see what they are drilled at. I like how my Igniter rolls so may keep that as one of my preferred layouts.

https://i.postimg.cc/0NWx5drL/PAP.jpg (https://postimg.cc/JykSPXNq)

[J Anderson]

As far as I'm concerned, PAP is something that your ball driller needs to know. The revs, speed, axis tilt and rotational also good pieces of information to half when when choosing a new ball. Many younger bowlers that I know are convinced they have a lot more revs than they really do and still think they need to be able to put even more revs on the ball.

If you really want to calculate your Rev rate you need to place a strip of tape from above the fingers toward the PAP. This should be much easier than trying to count the revolutions of a little square of tape on the PAP.

Anyway, don't get hung up on your numbers. The only number that really matters is how many pins you knock down.

[Phonetek]

Anyway, don't get hung up on your numbers. The only number that really matters is how many pins you knock down.

Very true. Numbers, numbers,numbers. My ex was hung up on numbers. She asked me once... "Am I the only one you've ever been with?" I said "Of course you are, no need to worry about that...The others were 8's and 9's!" I'm out!

[boatman37]

Very true. Numbers, numbers,numbers. My ex was hung up on numbers. She asked me once... "Am I the only one you've ever been with?" I said "Of course you are, no need to worry about that...The others were 8's and 9's!" I'm out!

oh boy...lol

[boatman37]

As far as I'm concerned, PAP is something that your ball driller needs to know. The revs, speed, axis tilt and rotational also good pieces of information to half when when choosing a new ball. Many younger bowlers that I know are convinced they have a lot more revs than they really do and still think they need to be able to put even more revs on the ball.

If you really want to calculate your Rev rate you need to place a strip of tape from above the fingers toward the PAP. This should be much easier than trying to count the revolutions of a little square of tape on the PAP.

Anyway, don't get hung up on your numbers. The only number that really matters is how many pins you knock down.

Yeah I had a strip of tape on when I counted revs but this pic was taken before I put that strip on there. I took about 7 videos of about 12-15 shots. And my PSO has never checked any of that stuff. I have seen him do it for others a few times but I have mentioned it several times and hasn't happened yet. But you are right in that knocking down pins is what matters. I'm a numbers nerd though and just like to have data. I can't complain about how my stuff is drilled or how well it works but who knows how it would be with a 'properly' layed out ball?

[boatman37]

Yeah I had a strip of tape on when I counted revs but this pic was taken before I put that strip on there. I took about 7 videos of about 12-15 shots. And my PSO has never checked any of that stuff. I have seen him do it for others a few times but I have mentioned it several times and hasn't happened yet. But you are right in that knocking down pins is what matters. I'm a numbers nerd though and just like to have data. I can't complain about how my stuff is drilled or how well it works but who knows how it would be with a 'properly' layed out ball?

Interesting what you see when you video yourself. I had always felt I stayed behind the ball the whole way through, even too far behind the ball. Here are sequential pics from the same shot. First one is on my backswing where you can see my hand clearly behind the ball. Second is on my downswing and my hand is starting to come around the side of the ball. The third pic you can see my hand has completely un-cupped and in more of a suitcase release.

https://i.postimg.cc/50T05PXM/release2.png (https://postimg.cc/N98BBk8N)
https://i.postimg.cc/7PJbPyRP/release3.png (https://postimg.cc/vDMGXCMC)
https://i.postimg.cc/nrmL3vm9/release4.png (https://postimg.cc/kRn94Rf7)

[Phonetek]

Posting videos when I can't even get a photo to show up? Show off!

In shorts too? Is it only WINTER in Illinois or something? Who bowls in shorts in December? Well, Rob could get away with it given that it's only hotter at the equator than Vegas right now. Only you and the UPS delivery guy are wearing shorts right now Boaty!

[boatman37]

Posting videos when I can't even get a photo to show up? Show off!

In shorts too? Is it only WINTER in Illinois or something? Who bowls in shorts in December? Well, Rob could get away with it given that it's only hotter at the equator than Vegas right now. Only you and the UPS delivery guy are wearing shorts right now Boaty!

Dude I wear shorts anywhere I can get away with it, no matter the time of year...lol. I hate pants. I think I have only worn pants twice so far this winter but I work from home so often go a couple days without leaving the house. Going to the mall with my wife here shortly so will put jeans on for that just cause people will look at me funny (well funnier than usual). But funny thing, me and a guy on my team both had shorts on last night and another guy on the team said we looked like we were headed to the beach...lol.

BTW-it was 22* when I left to go to bowling last night. But I did have a jacket on

[J Anderson]

Posting videos when I can't even get a photo to show up? Show off!

In shorts too? Is it only WINTER in Illinois or something? Who bowls in shorts in December? Well, Rob could get away with it given that it's only hotter at the equator than Vegas right now. Only you and the UPS delivery guy are wearing shorts right now Boaty!

Don’t forget mail carriers. Or is it only in CT where they compete to see who gives up first and puts on the long pants for winter?

One of my friends bowls in shorts all winter, but he has some sort of autoimmune disorder and literally can’t feel the cold on his legs.

[J Anderson]

Interesting what you see when you video yourself. I had always felt I stayed behind the ball the whole way through, even too far behind the ball. Here are sequential pics from the same shot. First one is on my backswing where you can see my hand clearly behind the ball. Second is on my downswing and my hand is starting to come around the side of the ball. The third pic you can see my hand has completely un-cupped and in more of a suitcase release.

https://i.postimg.cc/50T05PXM/release2.png (https://postimg.cc/N98BBk8N)
https://i.postimg.cc/7PJbPyRP/release3.png (https://postimg.cc/vDMGXCMC)
https://i.postimg.cc/nrmL3vm9/release4.png (https://postimg.cc/kRn94Rf7)

To me it looks like you have completely un-cupped in pic two and is coming over the top of the ball.

[boatman37]

To me it looks like you have completely un-cupped in pic two and is coming over the top of the ball.

Agreed. Looks pretty bad where I thought I was in pretty good shape...lol. Sent these pics to a girl my wife works with that is a certified Ritger coach. Might see if I can get her to come work with me but like you said, I'm bowling the best I ever have except for some missed spares.

[boatman37]

Watched a couple more clips then realized something that might have caused this. I tuck my pinky about 99% of the time (except spares). When I tuck it I feel I am flattening my wrist and rotating my arm because of it. Gonna get some more practice this week and try untucking it and get more video to see if it is any better. I feel I get quite a bit more carry when it's tucked so have been doing that for over a year now. Not realizing or understanding that the side roll (high rotation) is causing my ball to skid much longer maybe that is why I am having trouble when I get deeper into the oil? In my head I'm thinking I need it tucked thinking it is helping my ball to hook harder when I'm actually delaying the hook too long for the heavier oil on the inside lines?
Hopefully I'm on the right track here cause if so it's starting to all click in my head.

[Phonetek]

Watched a couple more clips then realized something that might have caused this. I tuck my pinky about 99% of the time (except spares). When I tuck it I feel I am flattening my wrist and rotating my arm because of it. Gonna get some more practice this week and try untucking it and get more video to see if it is any better. I feel I get quite a bit more carry when it's tucked so have been doing that for over a year now. Not realizing or understanding that the side roll (high rotation) is causing my ball to skid much longer maybe that is why I am having trouble when I get deeper into the oil? In my head I'm thinking I need it tucked thinking it is helping my ball to hook harder when I'm actually delaying the hook too long for the heavier oil on the inside lines?
Hopefully I'm on the right track here cause if so it's starting to all click in my head.

I've tucked my pinky for as long as I remember. The man who taught me how to bowl did it. I don't know the logic why he had me do it, he just did. All I know is that I have on occasion tried not to and it felt like I was going to break my pinky off.

Needless to say I just instinctively do it, every strike ball and every spare. It's one of those things that feels natural, doesn't seem to hurt anything so I just keep doing it. Until a coach says there is a good reason not to I'll probably keep doing it. I'll probably keep doing it even if they tell me my hand will fly off if I do it one more time. It's been going on too long

[boomer]

I was told that your pinky can act as a brake on rotation since it's the last finger that leaves. Pinky tucked - no brakes. Pinky up next to your ring finger - drag brake. Pinky spread out - lots of brakes, kills rotation.

Not 100% but illustrative. . .

[boatman37]

So now that I have my PAP from a PSO I'm playing around checking the layouts on my other balls. Problem is I'm using electrical tape to get my markings so I know it's not 100% accurate but then again neither am I...lol.
So on my Igniter my VAL line almost matches up with my pin to PAP line so ~10*. Does this sound right? I'm getting 45*x6.125x10*. Ball rolls nice and turns nice down lane and works good on a dryer line.

The new Raw Hammer pearl checked out to be about 60x6.25x28

Haven't thrown the Raw Hammer enough to get a good read on it but seems to be working good later in the night with a little more back end than the Igniter.

My PAP is 4.75x0 if that matters. And I printed a protractor out on paper and cut it out to get my angles....lol

All in fun just out of curiosity but though it was weird having my PAP and VAL be the same line?

I'll get pics and post them

[boatman37]

So now that I have my PAP from a PSO I'm playing around checking the layouts on my other balls. Problem is I'm using electrical tape to get my markings so I know it's not 100% accurate but then again neither am I...lol.
So on my Igniter my VAL line almost matches up with my pin to PAP line so ~10*. Does this sound right? I'm getting 45*x6.125x10*. Ball rolls nice and turns nice down lane and works good on a dryer line.

The new Raw Hammer pearl checked out to be about 60x6.25x28

Haven't thrown the Raw Hammer enough to get a good read on it but seems to be working good later in the night with a little more back end than the Igniter.

My PAP is 4.75x0 if that matters. And I printed a protractor out on paper and cut it out to get my angles....lol

All in fun just out of curiosity but though it was weird having my PAP and VAL be the same line?

I'll get pics and post them


https://i.postimg.cc/DZw0G6yK/IMG-7830.jpg (https://postimg.cc/B8RJ9xKh)

https://i.postimg.cc/DZpZPG84/IMG-7831.jpg (https://postimg.cc/Hc5dpV0T)

https://i.postimg.cc/Jhqttv8q/IMG-7832.jpg (https://postimg.cc/7C5qWBfG)

https://i.postimg.cc/VN1df1xv/IMG-7833.jpg (https://postimg.cc/LJCHvd6F)

[Phonetek]

I used less making tape painting my kitchen!

[boatman37]

I used less making tape painting my kitchen!

lol. gotta work with what ya got...lol