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kilopoper

10-12-2011, 12:30 PM

vgw

10-12-2011, 04:30 PM

Here are my suggestions:

1. pick up the ball with both hands, then place fingers then thumb into ball when you are standing up.
2. as you pointed out, you're backswing is curving around your back, which affects accuracy and causes you to muscle your shot. your arm should be basically straight after the push-off until close to the release point. try just taking a one-step approach near the foul line by swinging the ball (let the ball swing like a pendulum). practice that and let the arm swing alongside your body.
3. get your buddy to take a better shot with the phone; that was horrible.
4. let us know how it goes; it will take practice and you will need to retrain your body/muscles for this.

Good Luck!

The Mayor

10-13-2011, 04:08 PM

kilopoper

10-16-2011, 01:02 AM

I wouldn't say "terrible" You're solid at the line which is good.

What pound ball are you throwing? I think if the ball was the correct weight you wouldn't be able to bring the ball that far behind your back.

I'm throwing 15 pounds.. correct me if i'm wrong, but i'm starting to think my problem has something to do with me "opening up my shoulder" too much.

Josch

10-16-2011, 01:08 AM

I'm throwing 15 pounds.. correct me if i'm wrong, but i'm starting to think my problem has something to do with me "opening up my shoulder" too much.
It looks like that's it. You turn your entire upper body on your back swing. You might want to try to just bring your arm back without twisting at all.

aussiedave

10-16-2011, 04:42 PM

I'm throwing 15 pounds.. correct me if i'm wrong, but i'm starting to think my problem has something to do with me "opening up my shoulder" too much.

Josch is right - try concentrating on keeping your chest facing the pins at all times and in an upright position.
You don't need a huge backswing for the pace you are releasing at - the pace generated by a more natural pendulum swing, accompanied by good lift technique will give you plenty of pace.
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martin

10-19-2011, 12:49 AM

I'm throwing 15 pounds.. correct me if i'm wrong, but i'm starting to think my problem has something to do with me "opening up my shoulder" too much.
what's your body weight? i read once somewhere that the ball we use should at most be a certain percentage (can't remember how many %.. but if i'm not wrong, 10%) of your body weight..

kilopoper

10-19-2011, 11:27 AM

what's your body weight? i read once somewhere that the ball we use should at most be a certain percentage (can't remember how many %.. but if i'm not wrong, 10%) of your body weight..

i'm currently 162 lbs...

can someone suggest techniques or drills that might correct this problem?.. just got back from playing in my league, and my series was nothing but shameful.

The Mayor

10-19-2011, 11:57 AM

You have to keep your hips and shoulders square with the foul line. Also, when you get onto the approach you can stand with your feet together, shoulders square to the line and just swing the ball back and forth a few times. You want your arm as relaxed as possible. Hopefully this will give you the feeling of how your arm is supposed to feel when you actually go up to bowl.

J Anderson

10-19-2011, 05:07 PM

what's your body weight? i read once somewhere that the ball we use should at most be a certain percentage (can't remember how many %.. but if i'm not wrong, 10%) of your body weight..

10% is a good rule of thumb for people just starting out especially kids. Experienced adults, Pros Chris Warren and Norm Duke come to mind, develop the strength and technique to be able to throw balls more than 10% of their weight.

martin

10-20-2011, 02:14 AM

i'm currently 162 lbs...

can someone suggest techniques or drills that might correct this problem?.. just got back from playing in my league, and my series was nothing but shameful.

seems like the ball is not too heavy.. then must be the problem of opening up the shoulder too much.. especially since u're not a cranker..

aussiedave

10-20-2011, 07:16 PM

Suggestions to better my technique is greatly appreciated..
I'm particularly concerned with my backswing.. I've been working on that for quite some time now, still it ends up looking like that.

http://youtu.be/LBRyE2szBqc

Video quality sucks..sorry about that.

I've watched the vid several times and would like a side on view to get a better idea - however, it appears you are trying to develope your power from a big backswing as you seem to have a short downward pushaway. This action of strongarming the ball back tends to naturally swing you around and then you compensate for that by trying to square your body up again hence the behind the body swing.
Try pushing the ball out further and higher in your pushaway. You may have to practice this a bit as it may give you some timing issues if you have grown accustomed to your current style.
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kilopoper

10-21-2011, 01:40 AM

I've watched the vid several times and would like a side on view to get a better idea - however, it appears you are trying to develope your power from a big backswing as you seem to have a short downward pushaway. This action of strongarming the ball back tends to naturally swing you around and then you compensate for that by trying to square your body up again hence the behind the body swing.
Try pushing the ball out further and higher in your pushaway. You may have to practice this a bit as it may give you some timing issues if you have grown accustomed to your current style.
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http://youtu.be/Eej2cKB56aw

aussiedave

10-21-2011, 10:28 AM

Suggestions to better my technique is greatly appreciated..
I'm particularly concerned with my backswing.. I've been working on that for quite some time now, still it ends up looking like that.

http://youtu.be/LBRyE2szBqc

http://youtu.be/Eej2cKB56aw

Video quality sucks..sorry about that.
My apologies kilopoper - just noticed a side view video clip under the behind view - it was hidden just off the bottom of the page!
I watched the video several times and couldn't see too much wrong with your form - it isn't bad per se.
I might suggest that while the stance you used in the video is quite acceptable, why not try something else if it isn't working for you?
I think I might have already said this in another post, but will repeat for you here - hold the ball up higher and close to your body and push out and away slightly higher than 45 degrees - enough to give you a good pendulum swing. You will have to experiment with this.
Try not to muscle the ball forward, but let it swing by itself - this should get rid of the bent elbow.
Your body language shows you are not enjoying the game at the moment - don't be discouraged, we all go through form slumps and remember to have fun.
Dave.

glen290

10-23-2011, 03:13 AM

A couple of suggestions from are, before you start your approach, get that right shoulder up, the lower down it is the easier it is to swing round your back, and as entioned in a nearlier post, your push away starts low and away from your body, this wont help with a free pendulum swing which will also stop the ar swinging round..