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Trex
10-31-2011, 07:23 AM
The USBC has Cancer!!!!

The Cancer of Bowling is "Ignorance"

There are many USBC approved Bowling centers that are run by people who have no clue about proper lane maintenance procedures!

It seems that there are too many bowling centers that have staff who never get proper training with the do's & don'ts of proper lane maintenance!

I am talking about bowling centers where the manager or chief mechanic of these bowling centers force the lane man ( normally some kid who doesn't know any better ) to put out a lane condition that plays as though there is oil from the foul line all the way down to the pin deck!!

There is no back end reaction!!!

Example: In 1940's & 1950's & 1960's & 1970's.... you had 25 feet of dry back end....."Dry" from the end of the oil pattern to the Pin Deck!!

We now have oil patterns that are as long as 45 feet. The longest oil pattern was the 50 FT TOC which was changed to 41 FT, because it simply caused too many problems with the Pin setters , slowing them down too much due to too much oil carry down!! And it made Great Pro Bowlers look like beginners!!! It was very silly!!!!

It would be like forcing a Baseball Pitcher to throw a tennis ball, and or forcing the Baseball player hitting the ball to use a baseball bat made of thin paper!!!

When a trained Professional like myself tries to tell them that there is a problem that needs to be fixed, ...."such as the buffer brush might be out of adjustment" on the lane machine.
( this alone can cause this problem of the pattern playing too long )

...or they have played around with the settings & have gotten things so messed up "that the lane machine does not work as intended" by the manufacturer.

These people get angry when I try to tell them this!! They reply with ..." Well this is the way we like it " ...Not knowing how stupid they look when making such an ignorant statement!!!!

Bowling will never have credibility as long as the USBC never knows that " People even in this day and time are clueless about proper lane maintenance", and proper procedures....The do's & don'ts of proper lane maintenance!

Sadly.... The last bowling center that I inspected, the staff claimed the oil pattern was USBC Approved!!!

The truth is....If the USBC is approving oiling of the lanes the entire 60ft from the foul line to the pin deck.....Then USBC should be fired!!!!! Along with anyone else who is this stupid!!!!


If something is not done to educate people, Bowling will continue to be nothing but a joke!!

I believe in a challenge as far as oil pattern design is concerned, But to put oil from the foul line all the way down to the pin deck is insane!!

I guess this is there way of eliminating "New" Bowling Ball Technology!!!!

If this is the direction USBC is Headed, Then the bowling ball companies need to stand up and fight this Silliness in court along with help from Brunswick & AMF inc.

If USBC approved center's can do such nonsense, then it needs to be stopped by someone higher up the chain!!!

This oiling of the lanes to eliminate ball reaction on the back end of the lane in the last 15 to 20 ft is equal to forcing race car drivers to race with tires that cannot get traction where needed because some dumb idiot is putting oil all over the race track turning the sport into a joke.

Then after they do this silly crap they then say...let's see all you race car drivers run 200 mph now! ...As they then laugh....hahaha... knowing the tires will never get enough traction to hook to allow the driver to win a race.

This type of insanity is not allowed in any other sport!!! So why is it tolerated in Bowling??

If you care about the sport of Bowling, and are educated about proper lane oiling procedures, and know about oil pattern design, and what you never do while designing any oil pattern, or operating any lane machine....Then you should fight anyone who is trying to destroy our sport "be it the USBC or just plain ignorant groups of idiots" no matter who they are!!

The back ends need to be clean!!!!!!! Many have no clue what that means!!!!

No one should ever be allowed to pass rules and regulations when they clearly do not understand the sport and it's detailed maintenance procedure's!!!!!

Sadly these people think they know what they are talking about, But as a Scientist "they cannot fool me" because I am smarter than they are "They cannot brain wash me" because I know better!!!

I truly wish all bowlers knew as much as I do.....Then we might have a chance to save our sport and help it grow!!!

Any organization that is infected with stupid people who are given the power to rule over a sport such as Bowling is like a disease such as cancer that is allowed to rule over the human body.

Sooner or later the Cancer will do so much damage that the body cannot recover and it will die!!!!

That is the direction that Bowling is headed because the USBC is infected with People who are no different than Cancer. Ignorance, and ignorant people are the Cancer of Bowling!!

We must find a cure, or it will die a horrible death!!!

It has already become more about glow bowling, and birthday parties, then the sport it was once Greatly known for.....

In the old days....Pros had bowling ball arsenals just like todays Bowlers!

Myths created by ignorant people who have no ability to adjust or comprehend the Science of Bowling has become more of a problem than anyone could ever have thought. If you don't believe me...watch the video below......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z00LWijaME

Look at how many bowling balls that Pro has on his personal Ball Rack!!
No different than me 40 years later!!!!!


Now tell me that "NEW" Bowling ball technology hurt the sport of bowling, and I will call you a liar!!!! The truth is....Advancement in bowling has been going on since the 1950's!!

The Bowlers who could not adjust to the New Technology then , are the same ignorant Bowlers who are telling us that we need to learn how to adjust 40 years later!

When the lanes are stripped and oiled properly...Even a 40 year old rubber Bowling Ball will hook if you have enough hand!!! yes...even on synthetic lanes!!!!

But when USBC allows idiots to put out 60ft oil....and they put there stupid USBC approved sticker on the front doors and windows, they only make them selves look stupid!!!

I like new and old Bowling ball technology, As they all have there place in bowling even in todays Bowling game with high tech lane machines and synthetic lane panels.

But no one should ever be allowed to put out 60ft of oil on the lane or any condition that plays that way. The guys in the 1950's never had to deal with that silly crap, and we should not have to deal with it today!!!

There are idiots now days who due to myth, think that good shot making is about throwing a straight ball!!! It never was about throwing a straight ball unless you were new to the game and had no clue how to hook the ball!!!

Or if you were Bowling before lanes were invented, where you rolled a ball on the ground in the dirt or sand out side back in the days of King Tutankhamun.......

.....The days before Bowling evolved!! Then maybe you would have excuse to be so ignorant!!

Here watch the video again....Watch it as many times as it takes!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z00LWijaME


I know there will be some who still won't get it, due to the inability to comprehend, or over come Myths!!! or by those who are simply brain washed & cannot help it, due to such brain washing technology that has been very effective.....

For those who complain about Bowlers who have Bowling ball arsenals....Try playing Golf with just one Golf club!!!

To say you only need one Bowling Ball is like telling a Golfer He only needs one Golf club!!!

There are thousands of oil patterns!!! No single Bowling Ball will work on every oil pattern just the same as One Golf club will not be effective on a Golf coarse!!!

The Straight ball is for picking up spares people!!! Get a clue already!!!!

martin
10-31-2011, 11:14 AM
60 ft? really? tha's just insane.. that's not bowling..like what i saw in Ron C's website, balls real movement is in the last 15-20 ft.. and if any lane is oiled 60ft, there will be no ball movement.. it will just skid and skid and skid

Trex
10-31-2011, 11:28 AM
60 ft? really? tha's just insane.. that's not bowling..like what i saw in Ron C's website, balls real movement is in the last 15-20 ft.. and if any lane is oiled 60ft, there will be no ball movement.. it will just skid and skid and skid

Exactly!!! It was silly!!! Every ball thrown done nothing but skid, until it reached the Pin deck!!

If I had the power....I would shut down any Bowling center that does that!!

This was a fresh shot too!! ...Not carry down from open bowling!!

kev3inp
10-31-2011, 11:29 AM
I haven't seen 60 feet of oil yet, but I know old equipment will still hook. When I first got back into bowling I used my old LT-48 and it hooked every bit as much as it did in the late 70's. Where we bowl it seems the quantity and length of the oil has been reduced so that hook monster balls are uncontrollable. It wouldn't be an AMF house you're speaking of, would it?

Trex
10-31-2011, 11:34 AM
I haven't seen 60 feet of oil yet, but I know old equipment will still hook. When I first got back into bowling I used my old LT-48 and it hooked every bit as much as it did in the late 70's. Where we bowl it seems the quantity and length of the oil has been reduced so that hook monster balls are uncontrollable. It wouldn't be an AMF house you're speaking of, would it?

Ah...The LT-48 :) ...Great ball!!! ...Hooks more than my Black Beauty and AMF Pro Roll!!!

yeah...AMF House!! :rolleyes:

I have never seen this in a Brunswick House, not yet...knock on wood!! :)

One of the guys who works there, for the sake of testing his silly lane condition...Threw a brand new Hammer epidemic...and as it skids and revs up and skid and skid, and never found friction...he then says...yeah!! haha...thats how we like it!!

I could have choked the guy!! LOL

He was making sure nothing would hook on the back of the lane!!!

The pattern was flat gutter to gutter and sooo long every ball ever made just skids!

His daughter throws a Motiv Backdraft...and she releases the ball so that it spins backwards....This is a reactive bowling ball and it skids backwards all the way down the lane never finding friction to stop and roll forward!!

Balls released by bowlers who have a 90 degree or 45 degree release...there balls rev up but only skid down the lane never finding any dry boards!!!

If you roll the ball with all forward roll straight to the head pin from the corner of the lane at 12mph you will then get those kind of lucky strikes, but that is your only option!!!

It sucked bad!!!

kev3inp
10-31-2011, 11:41 AM
Lane oiling problems seem to be endemic to AMF houses. I'm sure there are some that are fine, but almost all the complaints one hears are about them.

I still have my LT; someday I hope to meet Johnny Petraglia and have him autograph it. My original lefty hero. And now the seniors don't come this far south anymore. :(

Oh, yeah, I had a Black Beauty and a Black Diamond way long ago. I think they're both in the canal back in Chicago, if I remember correctly. ;)

Trex
10-31-2011, 12:01 PM
This AMF House had burnt down. This guy who won the lotto bought it, and rebuilt it and kept the Wood Lanes. Had everything put back like new!! They even bought a Kegel Ion cordless lane machine, so they have no excuse for this silly lane condition they have.

Can you imagine wood lanes that have no reaction at all? Normally wood hooks more on the back end then synthetic does but not at this place!!!

I Quit the league because I refuse to support such ignorance!!!

I'll make sure to tell everyone I know to not waste there time going there. :)

The Mayor
10-31-2011, 03:01 PM
Lane oiling problems seem to be endemic to AMF houses. I'm sure there are some that are fine, but almost all the complaints one hears are about them.

I still have my LT; someday I hope to meet Johnny Petraglia and have him autograph it. My original lefty hero. And now the seniors don't come this far south anymore. :(

Oh, yeah, I had a Black Beauty and a Black Diamond way long ago. I think they're both in the canal back in Chicago, if I remember correctly. ;)

Man, John can still bowl too. One of my original favorite bowlers. A super nice guy as well.

I still have a Black Diamond that I throw on really scorched lanes.

Not sure if you know Kevin, but the Seniors were at the Villages for a tournament early this year in Lady Lake. It's a great place to see the seniors if you get a chance to see them there.

kev3inp
10-31-2011, 04:47 PM
I saw that, but it came at a time we couldn't make it. Way back when I first got here they had a stop at what was then Don Carter's in Davie, but Johnny didn't bowl the one we went to. Oddly enough, my dentist looks and sounds a lot like him.

sully_51
11-01-2011, 03:09 PM
If you roll the ball with all forward roll straight to the head pin from the corner of the lane at 12mph you will then get those kind of lucky strikes, but that is your only option!!!

The guys at my local lanes are pretty good with patterns, so I don't think there are many complaints from bowlers who hook. I just want to contradict your statement on strikes throwing straight. :) I'm a lefty, I bowl straight. I start on the second dot from the right in the back row, and throw basically just left of the center arrow, straight down the middle. Maybe it is luck, but I can string 3-5 strikes together pretty much every game, and probably average 5 or 6 strikes a game right now. So it is possible to bowl decent and get strikes on a semi-consistent basis bowling straight down the center. Probably never be a 240 average this way, but I'm getting close to 200. :)

Trex
11-01-2011, 08:14 PM
The guys at my local lanes are pretty good with patterns, so I don't think there are many complaints from bowlers who hook. I just want to contradict your statement on strikes throwing straight. :) I'm a lefty, I bowl straight. I start on the second dot from the right in the back row, and throw basically just left of the center arrow, straight down the middle. Maybe it is luck, but I can string 3-5 strikes together pretty much every game, and probably average 5 or 6 strikes a game right now. So it is possible to bowl decent and get strikes on a semi-consistent basis bowling straight down the center. Probably never be a 240 average this way, but I'm getting close to 200. :)

That is Great sully, No problem with your style. :)

There are many different styles of Bowlers....

What I was pointing out as a Trained lane man...Is that I know that any time a lane man puts out an oil pattern that favors one style...The lane man is creating an unfair playing field!!

It shuts everyone else out!! The only bowlers that will score in this situation is the few who have that style!!

As an "Honest" & very well Trained Professional lane man myself, I know that this is not the fair way to run a league or any sanctioned event.

That was my main concern & complaint...In that it is dishonest to do such a thing!!
Sadly, there are many dishonest people who work in the Bowling industry!!

To me it is the same as a Carnie who rigs games to make it unfair to the majority of the players.

Carnie meaning....
Carny or carnie is a slang term used in North America and, along with showie, in Australia for a carnival (funfair) employee who rigs games so that they are a game of chance.

When you rig the game like a Carnie...It is no longer a Sport, but rather a game of chance! If you are a lucky fair grounds Carnie game kinda winner then more power to ya I say.

But for me I take Bowling serious as a Sport with set standards that must not be broken!! And when those standards are broken to the point it turns Bowling from a Sport into an unfair Carnie Game...Then I tend to get upset as I am honest, and I believe the Sport of Bowing should have more respect & get more credit as a Sport, rather than be like a Carnie Game of chance!

If you watch the PBA Pro Bowlers, you will not see anyone throwing a straight ball unless they are throwing at a spare, or they are pissed off because the lanes are getting tough, and they are hoping for that lucky strike because there hook ball is not reacting as it should due to the pattern being so broken down.

If Pro bowling was about throwing a straight ball for striking, then the Pros would be doing so....But they learned back in the 1950's that hook balls strike more often than straight balls, and is why they the PBA Pros throw a hook.

But I am sure you know this already.

Contrary to what most in the biz say, I as a Trained lane man...Happen to know for a fact that there is such a thing as a fair oil pattern for all styles. Yes....There is one oil pattern that allows all styles to have equal chance to score!!

I will not reveal this Pattern for my own reasons but it does exist!!

I know because I use to put it out on the lanes every day. :)

Watch this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLt_K1xdFaI

In the above Video these Guys are getting a Rubber Bowling ball to hook so that it comes into the pocket with enough angle to carry strikes to the point one of the guys has a 244 game, and others are over 200 as well.

There ball don't hook as much as today's reactive resin, but they threw the ball down & in with enough hand to get the ball to arc into the pocket...rather than hit straight head on into the pocket.

Even though these old school Pros look like they are throwing a straight ball in comparison to today's Pro...They still had learned to hook those old Rubber balls & therefore got more strikes and higher scores.

If you stop the video at 0:52 ...you can better see the angle of the ball as it enters the pocket. It is not a straight ball, but is hooking, a mild arc, but still the ball is hooking into the pocket.

Watch the entire video, the higher scoring bowlers are getting the ball to hook & Arc into the pocket.

I know...don't laugh...LOL

It looks like straight balls compared to reactive balls we now use....lol

The first ball thrown was fairly straight, but from an angle. Many of the rest actually had a mild Arcing hook though.

The second Bowler is Don Carter.. and even his ball was hooking. The Third Bowler's ball was hooking even more!!

I have no idea who the first Bowler was, But I chose this Video because It shows that even the old school guys hooked the ball!!

These guys are throwing a Rubber bowling ball over 2nd arrow and getting it to hook into the pocket for a strike!!!

I can do this today on Synthetic lanes when the oil pattern is 40ft or less!

On Patterns longer than 40ft, I must no doubt use reactive.

Put me on an oil pattern like those old school guys are bowing on, and I will average over 230 with a Rubber Bowling Ball!! ..I have done it!!!

At 1:17 ...In the video it gets even better, as you can better see how much these guys are hooking the ball....elongated Arcing hook, but still it was a hook ball, and the scores were really up there too!

And people today say it was not possible in the old days....LOL

Trex
11-01-2011, 11:33 PM
The guys at my local lanes are pretty good with patterns, so I don't think there are many complaints from bowlers who hook. I just want to contradict your statement on strikes throwing straight. :) I'm a lefty, I bowl straight. I start on the second dot from the right in the back row, and throw basically just left of the center arrow, straight down the middle. Maybe it is luck, but I can string 3-5 strikes together pretty much every game, and probably average 5 or 6 strikes a game right now. So it is possible to bowl decent and get strikes on a semi-consistent basis bowling straight down the center. Probably never be a 240 average this way, but I'm getting close to 200. :)

And this explains why:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy7c6F0N6tM

Doesn't mean you can't average 240 this way though....Actually you should have a better chance than myself! :)

sully_51
11-02-2011, 01:10 PM
That is interesting, good to know. :)

One thing that seems odd with my delivery, is that I am much more likely to strike when hitting the 1-3 side than the 1-2 side. The ball is still traveling slightly left to right across the boards (sorry, I don't really know the board numbers, I'll try and figure that out tomorrow when I go again), but if I hit the 1-2 pocket, I'm more likely to leave a 5 or 7 standing.