dv8 hell raiser revenge

[striker12]

hey guys im wondering when i get my hell raiser revenge how should i get it drilled like as in the layout im not fully sur ehow i should get it and i have talked to my proshop guy and he sead he might have some ideas but its manly up to me unless i want to go with his way.

so if anyone has any ideas i throw the ball at 16-17mph maby more have not checked recently and my rev rate is between 350-450 i most of the time bowl tweener sometime power tweener if the lanes are abit more dryer and i throw crancker if the lanes have a lots of oil on them and my entry lvls balls are not moving.

so if any of you got any ideas please share i need some help with figuring out a layout

[striker12]

well i got a idea on layout which might help for those heavyer oil patterns im thinking of getting it drilled for a massive hook with that nice smooth action going down the lane soo it dose not react to early or too late

[bowl1820]

Well since you said you have such high speed and like 400+ revs and want it for oil, you might try a cranker layout like 65x4-1/2x75

[striker12]

ok i will talk to my pro shop guy about that and see what he says cause normaly im not always out to the left much most of the time around the 25-30 board

[bowl1820]

ok i will talk to my pro shop guy about that and see what he says cause normaly im not always out to the left much most of the time around the 25-30 board

That's a good idea! he's in a better position to advise you, he knows your style better.

[striker12]

yeah kinda he knows my old style when i was going up to get one of my freezes drilled i use to only use half a thumb then he got me into useing a full thumb at that time never had a high backswing but one week in leauge i jsut ended up with a high backswing and its much smoother release soo i have not changed much and he has not seen me shoot this way yet soo when the hell raiser reenge gets here i will do maby a hr or 2 practiceing and learnign abit more about howto throw it and where to and how much power.

also need to work on slowing down the ball even when i drop my arms lower to the ground the ball still gose the same speed

[bowl1820]

Well with practice and hard work, I'm sure you'll get hang of it. DV8 has some good stuff, you take care it and you'll be raising that average.

[striker12]

yeha thanks im planing on maby getting some other dv8 stuff maby the hell raiser and the misfit or the too reckless and the misfit but sure those balls are some good ones but 1 thing dv8 should make is a plastic ball i bet they could make a nice looking plastic ball

[bowl1820]

yeha thanks im planing on maby getting some other dv8 stuff maby the hell raiser and the misfit or the too reckless and the misfit but sure those balls are some good ones but 1 thing dv8 should make is a plastic ball i bet they could make a nice looking plastic ball

Well those are all good balls and would be great in anybody's bag. Maybe they will come out with a spare ball sometime, just have to wait.

[striker12]

yeah it would be great to have a full dv8 arrsenal then i will have to get a dv8 bag but it will take some time to get those other bowling balls just alittle/major short on money lol

[bowl1820]

yeah it would be great to have a full dv8 arrsenal then i will have to get a dv8 bag but it will take some time to get those other bowling balls just alittle/major short on money lol

Yes a DV8 bag would be great to go with those balls. Some day maybe!!:cool:

[striker12]

yeah someday maby by the middle of next year if i get that sancened 300 game to get me alittle cash to get them or if i get the 300 this year then i will save for them for the summer

[bowl1820]

yeah someday maby by the middle of next year if i get that sancened 300 game to get me alittle cash to get them or if i get the 300 this year then i will save for them for the summer

Well heres hoping and maybe they'll have that spare ball next year.

[striker12]

yeah hope is always a good thing but being sure is better and defnetly if they do get a spare ball i will probly be the first person to get one

[bowl1820]

yeah hope is always a good thing but being sure is better and defnetly if they do get a spare ball i will probly be the first person to get one

Yeah definitely working for it is the best most sure way to get anything.

[striker12]

yeah thats what i have been told if you got close to it once then u can doo it again it just has to come back to you and not lose your mind in any other games

[bowl1820]

yeah thats what i have been told if you got close to it once then u can doo it again it just has to come back to you and not lose your mind in any other games

That's a fact just keep plugging away, working hard it will come.
:D

[striker12]

yeah only thing i need is abit more reactive ball which this hell raiser revenge will be good for then in mid uture going to get a mid lvl ball for when lanes start to burn out but atm i mainly got entry lvl balls which is hard to play with cause im normaly having to put my full speed and jsut throw it streght to the pocket cause they jsut wont move anymore and there like jsut over a month old with not many games on them

[bowl1820]

Well that DV8 HR-revenge should help you out a lot then good luck :D

[striker12]

hey thanks the hr-revenge should be here maby next week or monday of the foloing week

[bowl1820]

hey thanks the hr-revenge should be here maby next week or monday of the foloing week

Well your Welcome it wont be to long before its there.:eek:

[striker12]

yeah i jsut hope its here befor the 16th cause if not then i wont be getting it drilled till the start of april caus ei will have no drive out to the pro shop cause my buddys borrowing my car for the 2 weeks to get too some basketball turnnys

[bowl1820]

yeah i jsut hope its here befor the 16th cause if not then i wont be getting it drilled till the start of april caus ei will have no drive out to the pro shop cause my buddys borrowing my car for the 2 weeks to get too some basketball turnnys

Well heres hoping the delivery truck gets there soon!

[striker12]

yeah thanks and when i get it and drill it i will get a video together to show u how it works for me on idk what kind of lane condtion

[bowl1820]

yeah thanks and when i get it and drill it i will get a video together to show u how it works for me on idk what kind of lane condtion

Wow that would be great! Im sure everyone here would love to see you throwing that ball!;)

[striker12]

yeah from videos i have seen that bowling ball is good and has alot of snap on the backend

[bowl1820]

yeah from videos i have seen that bowling ball is good and has alot of snap on the backend

It looks good alright in the videos, should do good maybe even better hm the Freeze.

[striker12]

yeah its going to be defently better then the freeze thing im trying for this year is to get my avg up too atleast a 160 and i want to0 throw some more 200s only got 2 this year in leauge but a few rom practicing

[bowl1820]

yeah its going to be defently better then the freeze thing im trying for this year is to get my avg up too atleast a 160 and i want to0 throw some more 200s only got 2 this year in leauge but a few rom practicing

Going from a 148 average up to a 160 is a good goal, that new all should help a lot.

[striker12]

well i should change it know it not 148 no more its 146 cause of last week when only beat my avg once by 1 pin and the other games where 40+ pins below my avg or a 147 i will change it on s8nday after bowling when i figure it out

[billf]

I have a Misfit, Reckless, Revenge (pin up), Revenge (pin down). Best thing I ever did, personally, was get rid of the over hyped Storm and Roto-Grip stuff and go with DV8. Hope you find what will work best for you.

[striker12]

yeah the dv8 hrr is a ball that is srong and hits the pocket like someone threw a granade down the lane just blows right threw them and makes alot of pin action

[billf]

To slow the ball down try slowing your feet down. Your arm swing speed should naturally match the pace of your feet.

[billf]

I was standing on 25-30 with my other balls (Mutant Cell, Victory Road) but with my Revenge drilled the same, I stand and laydown at 40, across the center arrow to the four board to the pocket. When the lanes dry up I go to my Reckless, same marks then eventually to my Misfit standing at 30

[resstealth]

Im sure the DV8 stuff is good, but did you REALLY just call Storm and Roto overhyped billf?

[striker12]

yeah ik how to slow the ball down by slowing my feet down but problem the ball still gose fast manly cause most of the time i put a front roation on it when the lanes are dryer and we bowl and wood lanes and the ball picks up more speed when it gose down the lane we put a speed tester on it and i was throwing at 15mph and when the ball hit the pins it was at 21mph, tell me thats messed up noone has ever seen that ever happen.

but know im at a roughly 40degrees axis roation soo know the speed dose help out cause the ball has one strong move into the pocket, but the pin action dose not go my way because 50% of the time when i got broocklin i leave the 5-10 and always the pinaction gets the 5 but never gets the 10, also off a slow shot as best as i can slow it down it still gives alot of pin action its like someone just threw a granade down the lane u can hear the ball hit the pins.

i have never threw storm or roto grip stuff and i would love too but not sure which ones to get the thing i want to do is test out all commpanys with close to same ball rating on the perfect scale and see which one works bets for me atm DV8 is top

[billf]

With all Storm and Roto-Grip spend on marketing and such, yes, in my opinion, they are over-hyped. Compare price versus performance and see for yourself. They sell great equipment but you can get the same performance for less.

[billf]

Once you go brooklyn the strike percentage naturally drops. 21mph at the pins is fine. 18-21mph is considered optimum although a high percentage of people lose too much accuracy at that speed. The bigger question is why you are going brooklyn 50% of the time.

[striker12]

yeah im planning on getting a new mid performace ball and going to take out of my bag my brother kinetic pearl witch dose not work for me at all unless i go streght up 15 board,

but back to topic i have been looking threw bowlingball.com finaly got it back where i cna load it up and looked threw all the advance perormance balls and theres alot of storm balls in there but not sure what type of ball i should get if i should go with a storm ball or if i should go with na c300 or dv8 or get another track ball not sure yet but i want to try out all brands and see how they all work and im also going to try to get as many bowling balls as i can to colect them and put them away when they retire soo i can keep the ball for a long time.

if anyone has any idea on what ball i should get thats mid performance/advanced performance then shut out some cause i got $230 to get one, the ball that are in my bag atm are c300 WD, c300 freeze, DV8 hell raiser revenge, and a crap track kinetic pearl(this ball is getting replaced).

also need to save some money soo i can get a new thumb slug for my freeze it seem to be shrinking and how i know once and awhile i cant fit my thumb in it but i cna fit my thumb in the hell raiser revenge and there the same size thumb slugs, cause every sunday when i bowl i always have to end up opening the thumb slug alot to get my thumb back int he ball on my freeze

[bowl1820]

also need to save some money soo i can get a new thumb slug for my freeze it seem to be shrinking and how i know once and awhile i cant fit my thumb in it but i cna fit my thumb in the hell raiser revenge and there the same size thumb slugs, cause every sunday when i bowl i always have to end up opening the thumb slug alot to get my thumb back int he ball on my freeze

It's unlikely the slug is shrinking, more likely is your thumb has swollen and/or gotten a little fatter.


yeah ik how to slow the ball down by slowing my feet down but problem the ball still gose fast manly cause most of the time i put a front roation on it when the lanes are dryer and we bowl and wood lanes and the ball picks up more speed when it gose down the lane we put a speed tester on it and i was throwing at 15mph and when the ball hit the pins it was at 21mph, tell me thats messed up noone has ever seen that ever happen.

but know im at a roughly 40degrees axis roation soo know the speed dose help out cause the ball has one strong move into the pocket

Front Rotation? I think you mean Forward Roll, if not what do you mean by front rotation.

If its forward roll, you wouldn't want that for dryer lanes. That's would be more for oily lanes.

As for the ball speeding up, more likely its slowing down to 21mph. In general a ball will lose 3-4 mph going down the lane. So if your getting 21 at the pins your throwing at 24-25 mph of your hand.

Just how did they measure your speed? do the lanes have the built in speed sensor? or did they just calculate the speed using a stopwatch?

[striker12]

bowl its forward roll srry could not think of the last word soo had to use something that was close to it but no its speeds up only on dryer lanes we used a speed monator cause i never throw over 16mph avg 15mph,

but the thumb slug is shrinking cause if my thumb was getting bigger then it should not fit in my hell rasier revenge and my thumb fits everytime but i also messured my thumb slug yesterday day and its shrunk 1/16 of a inch and that was messured earlyer soo im going to be taking that to my proshop guy to get that checked out but it could also be from the oil,

my track gose right ebside my thumb hole and fingers soo im going to have him take a look into it cause idk why i ahve to keep opening my thumb hole every week befor i bowl and my thumb rarely swells up soo im stuck on whats going on with it soo im not thorwing it this week,

last week my thumb fit perfectly in my Hell raiser revenge threw 6 games but my freeze only fit for 2 games and i had it openes bigger then the hell raiser revenge, hard to figure out whast going on there

[bowl1820]

Ok first lets make sure we are talking about the same thing.
A Thumb slug is a round solid piece of vinyl or urethane they hammer into a hole in the ball, then drill your thumb hole in.

See picture (Yours may be a different color.)
http://www.buddiesproshop.com/images/Product/medium/314.jpg
If this shrank it would pull away from the ball coverstock and be loose and likely come out. Plus it is unlikely that it's absorbing oil and expanding.

As for the ball going faster on dry lanes, I think your just throwing it faster to over come the dry lane and don't realize it.

[striker12]

ok i might be throwing it but ik i dont throw it as fast anymore cause i have never thrown the ball over 16mph cause when i do i lose all accuracy 16mph or 15mph is my best point for best accuacy and i stay consistant,

the thumb slug your showing is the same as mine and i jsut checked it a few minutes aog and my thumbs not goig into it and my thumb is back to normal sze and i had it opens to hen my thumbwas swellen soo im going to take it to my proshop guy to figure out whats going on with it

[bowl1820]

Well good luck, when your pro shop tells you why its shrinking come back and tell us.

[striker12]

yeah i will im going to be taking it up tomorrow cause i cant todya cause i have to bowl

[striker12]

even better are proshop guy came down to my league today too see how im doing with the hell raier revenge ad i talked to him about the freeze and whast going on with the thumb hole and he checked it out it seems to be getting moisture in it and making it exspand but he sead thats should not do it take fast, soo hes got my freeze and taking a look at it and he willg et back to him tomorrow if theres anything else

[bowl1820]

Moisture, okay must be from all that water they mix with the oil.

[striker12]

yeah thats what he was thinking but i have not thrown the freeze sicne last sunday soo we are guessing there some still in the ball moving around and going to the thumb but hes got it to take a a look at it, also did pretty good today in league with the hell raiser evenge took 6 out of 8 points.

games.
1st-181
2nd-205
3rd-176
series- 562
avged a 184

[bowl1820]

Okay amazingly after asking around, I may have a answer for the ball speeding up.


Ball speeding up can occur - when you have a rev-dominant player, a flippy layout and a strong wet/dry condition.

Technically, the ball rotates in a different axis than its movement axis when it is released, skidding "forward" but rotating into a different direction.
Flare means axis migration towards the PSA - and when there's still a lot of rotational energy left once the ball is in its hook phase or its end, both energies are added together, which makes the ball speed up on the back end, making it look as if it would jump into the pins.
I have a fellow bowler in my club who plays this way - tons of revs, and if he tosses a strong reactive it either literally gtoes sideways or makes a final dash! Very impressive!

You said you have 400 or 500 revs so with a slow speed 15-16 mph, that makes you rev dominate. So this might be it.

[striker12]

thanks bowl that helps out alot but i might have mroe revs right now not sure my revs have just kicked up soo when i go to get my freeze and figure out if there is anything else problem with it i will get my rev rate checked cause ik my ball is reving more cause u use to ebable to see parts of the ball and know the hell raiser revenge jsut looks 1 colour,

im trying to find a pro bowler or someone on youtube that has clsoe to same revs as me too show you but i cant find oen eyt still got another 5000videos too look threw might take me awhile

[striker12]

bowl it was not jsut the moisture that was the problem in the freeze cause it shoudl of not closed as fast as it was there was lots of ripps in the slug making water go into it faster, so the my proshop guy just sent that in to get looked at and see if they mgith beable to prevent this in the future or something but when we went to deoil the ball lots of water came out not much oil cause he has a bowl oven much easy and safer.