drilling options (less aggressive) question

[Etrain]

i will be getting a new vivid ball, i typically get a standard drill layot, i plan on getting the vivid less aggressive.... How much of an impact will this have on the balls performance? Will it hook noticibly less? I have Alot of revs and medium speed so i will need it more tame

Id also like to thank bowlingboards.com for the ball!

[billf]

You can have it drilled for more length so that it will hook later but not necessarily less. This is how all but one of my balls is drilled. Obviously I like it but for comparison; HRR #1 drilled to hook early can only use on sport patterns. Hooks way too soon for me on a THS. Others have used this ball with success on our house shot. HRR #2 drilled to hook later PLUS sanded to 4000 grit abralon and 7 coats of polish. It's the ball I used in the Hell Raiser Revenge versus Nexxus video. I can use that ball on a THS but play very deep and come up the side more compared to my weaker balls.

[Etrain]

yes i took your advice, i had the local pro shop sand and polish my dv8.. it was less aggresive but i dont like playing deep in the lane (middle arrow or left of it) so i usually use my other less aggressive balls (unfortunatelly i got it drilled in a typical layout)

[billf]

Another option with your DV8 is to stand way right and roll it straight off your hand, let the ball do all the work.
See what the pro shop recommends for the Vivid but I'm sure they will go pin up and to the right some. If I'm understanding you correctly, you don't want to lose the aggressiveness but rather delay it long enough that you can play from the middle to the right?

[striker12]

well i got my DV8 HHR drilled for massive hook/arc out of the brunswick layouts cause DV8 and brunswick are close the same and could not find are DV8 layouts soo we went with that and the ball dose really well i got high revs soo a agressive ball should not be for me but i got a decent amount of speed soo it will get down the lane, then have a ncie move on the backend it just runs the pins off the lane.

with my HHR i have broke a total of 9 lanes at first in 3 weeks cause of the massive pinaction but then i had to ease up abit soo i dont keep breaking the lanes cause the owner only sends junk parts from old lanes at his other bowling allies that do not last long.

but its up too you on how you decide to get your ball drilled but remember the vivid is strong soo it will beable to hook pritty well even if it is weak i have seen 1 peron that dose not rev the ball much and he was making the vivid move pretty well and it was drilled mid and he threw it right up 5 board.

[Etrain]

Another option with your DV8 is to stand way right and roll it straight off your hand, let the ball do all the work.
See what the pro shop recommends for the Vivid but I'm sure they will go pin up and to the right some. If I'm understanding you correctly, you don't want to lose the aggressiveness but rather delay it long enough that you can play from the middle to the right?yea i want a delay, i prefer to be anywhere from the 2 and 3 arrow going left (im a righty) i dont typically do well going for the middle arrow or left of it

[eugene02]

yea i want a delay, i prefer to be anywhere from the 2 and 3 arrow going left (im a righty) i dont typically do well going for the middle arrow or left of it

i guess more of a backend hook kind of hook your looking for uh.. straight down and hook in..

[billf]

Etrain, have you tried playing from the gutter to the first arrow (5 board)? With just a little bit more hand this can be a very effective and mentally deflating to your opponent. I love playing real far right and watching my opponent shake his head at the ball being half in the gutter the first 45 feet and then snapping into the pocket. Very few people are willing to try and learn this line. I learned with my plastic ball just to ensure I didn't screw up an expensive ball.

[eugene02]

Etrain, have you tried playing from the gutter to the first arrow (5 board)? With just a little bit more hand this can be a very effective and mentally deflating to your opponent. I love playing real far right and watching my opponent shake his head at the ball being half in the gutter the first 45 feet and then snapping into the pocket. Very few people are willing to try and learn this line. I learned with my plastic ball just to ensure I didn't screw up an expensive ball.

bill.. what did you mean didn't want to screw up an expensive ball? because gutter hurts the ball?? O.O sry.. confused on this..

[billf]

Eugene, if thrown hard enough in the gutter I have had them pop up at the end and hit the rack. Any possibility of messing up a ball than can be avoided is what I try.

[Etrain]

Etrain, have you tried playing from the gutter to the first arrow (5 board)? With just a little bit more hand this can be a very effective and mentally deflating to your opponent. I love playing real far right and watching my opponent shake his head at the ball being half in the gutter the first 45 feet and then snapping into the pocket. Very few people are willing to try and learn this line. I learned with my plastic ball just to ensure I didn't screw up an expensive ball.

im not that confident in my aiming yet

[bowl1820]

im not that confident in my aiming yet

Its called playing the "Twig" and you might be surprised, it's not quite has hard as it looks. The main tip is to let your hand follow the boards down the lane.

Here is a Ron clifton article with pics about it.
Click for How to play the Twig (http://www.bowl4fun.com/ron/tip6.htm)

[billf]

I never read that article before. Glad to hear I was doing it correctly lol
I started doing it just to get use to the optical illusion and noticed the awesome action on my plastic ball. Started putting a lot of hand in it and wow. Then I tried with reactives with great results. Works well on THS and some sport patterns. I plan on trying it 1 of my 4 games in my sport league this summer. It's non-sanctioned so I have zero to lose and everything to gain (knowledge is power).
Doing this is also what let me realize I could crank and hook the crap out of my plastic spare ball if I chose. This line and hooking plastic mess with a lot of my opponents. Some of my teammates just shake their head with the reaction I can get. It does drive my doubles partner crazy at times-"Your using plastic already? It's only the second of six games." lol