need help with layotus for a storm frantic.

[billf]

6 3/4 pin to PAP maximizes the ball's flare potential. I'm huge on flare. The same specs but on different balls will react differently due to ball construction and of course, lane condition.

[billf]

If you're still helping out at the pro shop, you can use a pro sect to get the measurements.

[striker12]

yeah bill i still help out there once and awhile threw the summer has been slow soo we only go in when we get called to meet in there only been there like 3 or 4 times this summer but once winter comes i wont be going as much cause im not going to drive 1hr in the winter on the 401 thats just crazy soo i will be going back once winter is over but at start of bowling season i will be there i clean up my stuff and get some of it checked.

i would use the item u used but its with the manger of the proshop and hes out of town right now the other guy thast runs the proshop when hes not there he knows how todo stuff with out it.

[billf]

So he lays out balls without measuring the exact angles?

[striker12]

kinda he jsut useing a blank paper no clue on how he dose it and im deffently no going to learn it cause it look pritty hard cause i dont want to screw up any bowling balls but i dont drill them i mostly am the only tell people on witch ball they should get after watching them throw a few shots.

[DanielMareina]

Without knowing your PAP, I would guess that the layout you have is a leverage layout. That is usually 3 3/8" off the pap, and the MB left of the thumb hole. It usually is as controlled as a high flair layout can get. I would suggest using the same layout on the new ball if that is what you like. I have at least 8 balls with my favorite layout on them. Another thing you could try to play a line like that is a 4"X4"X1". It is a high flare layout with the pin well above the fingers. It gets a good read from the coverstock as the ball goes down the lane, but saves the core energy to the back of the lane. My pro shop assistant and I both (without telling eachother) used this layout on a ball recently and both are in love with the layout. He used it on a Karma Pearl and mine was on a Fringe. I usually tried to avoid the max flare layouts because of my high rev rate, but this one actually works really well. Plus, the Fringe and Frantic are very close to the same, so I know it will work well on the Frantic too. Best of luck to you!

[bowl1820]

6 3/4 pin to PAP maximizes the ball's flare potential. I'm huge on flare. The same specs but on different balls will react differently due to ball construction and of course, lane condition.

While I might be mistaken, with the Storm Frantic having a Symmetrical core. A 6 3/4" pin to pap would give the ball a later breakpoint and reduced flare. I would agree with Dan here, you want the pin 3-4" from the pap.

Now if it had been a Asymmetrical ball you could go up to 6 1/4"

[DanielMareina]

You are correct. Asymetrical equipment can be pushed farther out and actually begin to build flare again, but a symetrical ball maxes out flare at 3 3/8" to 4" depending on the Size and Shape. Most symetrical balls would have a hard time migrating back from a 6 3/4" pin to get to optimal position.

[dgz924s]

While I might be mistaken, with the Storm Frantic having a Symmetrical core. A 6 3/4" pin to pap would give the ball a later breakpoint and reduced flare. I would agree with Dan here, you want the pin 3-4" from the pap.

Now if it had been a Asymmetrical ball you could go up to 6 1/4"

You are correct. Asymetrical equipment can be pushed farther out and actually begin to build flare again, but a symetrical ball maxes out flare at 3 3/8" to 4" depending on the Size and Shape. Most symetrical balls would have a hard time migrating back from a 6 3/4" pin to get to optimal position.

So am I reading this correct that a symetrical ball at 5x4x3 is not a good choice?

[bowl1820]

So am I reading this correct that a symetrical ball at 5x4x3 is not a good choice?

Not a good choice for what? That's a Storm Lightning PSA layout.