need help with layotus for a storm frantic.

[DanielMareina]

We were stating that max flare is reached at a specific point. Any layout between 3 3/8" and 5 1/2" from the PAP is using the ball to the fullest. Inbetween those two points changes where the ball hooks, and how suddenly. A 5X4X3 is an excellent layout for me personally. The only time you have to worry is if you get past 6" or below 3" without doing it for a specific reason. I have a ball with a 1 1/2" pin, but I did it to fill a hole in my arsenal, it wouldn't be a good benchmark ball or for someone with only a couple balls. Does that make sense?

[dgz924s]

We were stating that max flare is reached at a specific point. Any layout between 3 3/8" and 5 1/2" from the PAP is using the ball to the fullest. Inbetween those two points changes where the ball hooks, and how suddenly. A 5X4X3 is an excellent layout for me personally. The only time you have to worry is if you get past 6" or below 3" without doing it for a specific reason. I have a ball with a 1 1/2" pin, but I did it to fill a hole in my arsenal, it wouldn't be a good benchmark ball or for someone with only a couple balls. Does that make sense?

It does, thanks!..I had to inquire as I am about buy a Fireroad and have it drilled 5x4x3. Nice to be certain as I am at the expertise of the driller, sure hate to be mad at him for my ignorance!

[dgz924s]

Not a good choice for what? That's a Storm Lightning PSA layout.

Fireroad....For what I wanted the ball to be for/react, the recommendation was the 5x4x3.

[striker12]

ok thanks dan and bowl i will take a look at those and see what my proshop guy says about it but only thing since he last drilled my last ball my bowling stlye is alittle different but i will get a video on here of me throwing the kinetic pearl but theres only one thing about me bowling my balance is off after i throw the ball cause of my ankle but i can keep the balance untill i release the ball.

[DanielMareina]

So the question will become, do you like the way the kinetic pearl reacts now (with your current bowling style), or do you remember how good it used to be, and want a ball to be like that. If you like it now, then you can duplicate the pin position, if you like it originally, then you would have to know what the layout was prior to changing your style. Most style changes will make very small differences to your PAP, so it wouldn't be a huge deal. Some on the other hand can move the PAP over 1/2", and that will make your layouts quite a bit different.

[billf]

Sorry Striker. I gave the pin to PAP that I favor on my asymmetrical balls when you were asking about a symmetrical ball. Then I typed 6 3/4" instead of 6 1/4". Glad somebody was paying more attention than I apparently was.

[striker12]

bill its ok.

and dan tell you this when my brother got the ball i could never make it hook cause i use to mussle the ball know i dont and i can make it hook pretty good i did abit of adjusting tonight at practice but i had to move 3 more boards left then normal and have to mvoe target 2 boards cause the outside had way to much oil soo i will get it drilled the same as the kinetic pearl but i will get abit different cause my kinetic pearl is dulled up and the frantic is polished i will get the drilling alittle more agressive so it matches. i had to dull it up cause it was inconstitant but sinc ei dulled it up its been consitent alot cause kow it dose not jsut slid across the lane i got it dull up at 1500 grip same as what the frantic is i think.

[DanielMareina]

Usually, dulling a ball will make it more predictable because it reads the lane earlier, but if it is rolling out, that will make it unpredictable. As for your layout, I would be tentitive as a ball driller to just keep you on the same layout. It is a fine line to walk, but if you don't experiment a little to see what works for you, you may make life harder on yourself. Personally, my ball driller (before I drilled my own stuff) loved to put a 4X4X2 or something close to that on everything I bought. He did this mostly because I wanted the ball to hook out of the house at all times. I started drilling my own equipment, and got my sponsorship, and now only have one ball laid out like that. Most of my stuff is 5X5.5X2.5 or 4.5X5X4. Although you like what you have, don't get yourself stuck there. Is there a reason you are trying to replace your ball now instead of adding to it? The frantic is a very versitile ball, and probably would be great to try a new layout with. I have drilled a handful of different layouts on the Frantic, and not a single person hasn't loved what they got. Just something to think about.

[striker12]

alright dan i will get get a frantic drilled different and still use my kinetic pearl abit and maby later on once my money comes in i might get the fringe and do it the same at the kinetic pearl or get another frantic.

[DanielMareina]

Or you could try a matte coverstock ball? Even a ball that is old can still fit in your arsenal. I kept a Hy-Road in my 6-ball bag for a year after I had bought a new one. I did this because the ball reacted differently than the new one, and became a viable option as the lanes dried out with the new ball. You don't have to have a bunch of bowling balls, but it is good to not get rid of one till you have NO need for it. I am sure you will love the Frantic. Let us know what layout your pro shop person puts on it. Or if you give a little more info on your bowling style, (speed and revs), we can throw out some ideas. Bowl up a Storm