Need hook help :(

[AngeloPD]

Ya I have a camera that I can do that with but I'd feel awkward video recording my awful shots with a tripod lol.

Don't be, iv'e done it a couple times before and im pretty sure most of us in here too. People will know you are serious about the sport and your trying to be better at it.

[billf]

I put the camera either on a table or the floor. It's not as obvious, not that I care either way. I've made the biggest strides since I started recording myself. It's amazing the difference between what we think we are doing and what is actually happening.

[Tampabaybob]

I'm with Bill on this. You'll be doing this to improve your game, so do't be shy about setting up a tripod and filming yourself. If you go during a time it's slow, ask for a lane so you can set the tripod up 2 lanes away so you can get a couple or more frames in from the side. That'll really help you and us help you out. You might even attract someone that is a very good bowler or even a coach that'll offer some advice on the spot. If so, roll the camera some more.

One Lady I worked with for over a year went on to break the house record that stood for 18 years. She shot a 786 series. Give us a shot at helping and then go out and practice. Give it some time and you'll get it.

Bob

[Tampabaybob]

rab......what part of the country are you in ???

Bob

[rab91787]

PA. Alright, if I don't average something good like 180+ at leagues Tuesday night then I'll go back to practicing thumb and make sure I get a video. I appreciate the help

[rab91787]

WOW I just found a very thorough article on axis rotation that explained the technique completely different than what I was trying.

http://bowlingknowledge.info/images/...m_nov_2006.pdf

So for maximum rotation you start your fingers at 3 and move your thumb from 9 to 12? I never thought of moving my thumb clockwise before. I just tried it a couple of times with mini swings and it looks like it is working! If this is the proper way to do it then that would explain why I would get revs last time I practiced when I would focus on keeping my thumb to the right but I had no backend because I didn't start with it to the left. I always thought you started with thumb to the right and ended with it left and fingers to the right. Which is correct? If this is the proper way then I'm going to have to try it out this weekend.

[billf]

I hope you're left-handed otherwise you will be throwing a backup ball. Right-handers rotate counter-clockwise, lefties clockwise.

[rab91787]

Oh, okay. That's what I thought, but the "focus points" for each release had me confused. Like for the 90-degree it says to finish with your thumb at 12 o'clock. I don't understand how that happens if you want your thumb at 9 at release. I was rotating counter-clockwise in all of my previous attempts but was unsuccessful.

[billf]

Don't confuse thumb exiting the ball with thumb in follow through. The thumb must exit before finger rotation or you will have axis rotation but no revs. There is a huge difference between the ball spinning and generating revs. If you held your hand with thumb at 9, fingers at 3 through the wole swing and release, you would have to axis rotation but very little revs. Starting the release with your thumb at 12 to 3 and rotating the fingers as fast as possible to 3 would generate revs at a 90 degree axis rotation. The better you get at rotating the fingers quickly the more revs you will generate. As the revs increase the amount of needed axis rotation will decrease. The biggest key is learning to let the ball roll of the end of the fingers as the rotation finishes.

[rab91787]

Tonight was awful. I couldn't keep the ball on the right side of the pocket two finger. Had a decent normal release game throwing practically straight (170 somethin cuz I opened the 10th) and then did horrible the last frame. I have to change the way I'm practicing I think. If I can release with the right rotation and revs doing mini releases at home, maybe this weekend I should try doing one step approaches and releasing it properly and then slowly add on? Does that sound good? I'll try to get some video, as well.